Starting over again is unacceptable. You ride out whatever Poles' vision is.

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You just can't lose to Denver next week after they gave up 70 and sit at 0-4. The demand of the offence has to be 27 points at a minimum. Then the Commanders ok that might be asking too much to win that one, and then the Vikings who are an equal shit show.

0-4? Somebody is getting benched.
0-5?? Fields has to sit for at least a couple of weeks to see what they do or don't have with Bagent. Is he Brock Purdy, Mike Tomczak, or Jonathan Quinn?
0-6??? That's a gots to go situation for the coaching leadership and maybe the GM. Bring in Wanny and Lovie to run the team for the last 10 games for all I care, but they cannot start 0-6 without large numbers of people losing their jobs.

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No, you have to stem the tide at some point. Eberflus and Poles have shown there is no bottom with them. Poles made the worst team in the league with the #1 pick and $100 million in cap space worse, he's made the Bears their worst version in the history of the franchise. He has no vision. That's clear to me at this point. And Eberflus has arguably the worst defense in the modern era of the NFL, there's no reason to keep either one of them.

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No, you can't change the vision every couple of years because of idiot fans. We knew this was a guy rebuild. Losing comes with a gut rebuild

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There isn't a vision, they're a mess at every level. No team has ever lost this badly in the history of the NFL, this is not part of the plan. 13 games in a row while giving up 25 every game has never happened until now. The fans aren't idiots, this is obvious to anyone, other team's fans, casual fans, anyone.

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I'd happily keep them until they go 0-17 and then both have to be fired. Poles should not get another draft. He's awful at it.

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I am starting to sense a theme down there.

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80% of his sacks have come after 4+ seconds in the pocket.

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Poles was a DEI hire



Say it with me

You can't let Pace have another offseason

They're not going to fire Poles after two seasons where it seems he was given explicit permission to be as bad as humanly possible for at least one of those seasons. If you think that statement is accurate, this season is not a total disaster for two reasons. One, they've had at least two questions answered: neither Eberflus nor Fields is going to be around long term. Two, they're bad enough that they will be able to take a third run at a top of the draft quarterback.

The consensus coming into the season seemed to be that the Bears would be improved, but still miss the playoffs. Whether they miss the playoffs by going 3 and 14 or miss the playoffs by going 6 and 11, it really doesn't matter to me so long as Poles fully accepts that the coach and QB are busts.

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Your analysis makes sense until you begin to look at Poles' record of talent evaluation so far. He took a big swing on Douche Claypool and seems to have missed. He preferred Gordon and Brisker to Pickens. He thought PJ Walker would be an acceptable backup QB. He passed on Jalen Carter, who was ideally suited for Eberflus' one-gap system, only to reach on Dexter, who had exclusively played a two-gap system in college. And this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Poles may have been given more than one tank season by George, but was he also granted the right to miss on so many personnel decisions?

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Everything is forgotten IF he drafts a franchise QB in the next draft. I did like his plan to not over reach on a QB last year in the draft and collect draft picks to ensure they end up with another shot at a fanchise QB this year. D.J.Moore is a nice addition to pair with the next QB of the Bears. I do not believe he thought Fields was going to be the QB of the Bears in 2024 and punted this year.

Poles knew he couldn't give up on Fields and risk him having a breakout season for another team. He needed to show everyone that Fields is not the QB of the future before he could move on to the next stage.

Losing organizations have to oporate this way because they have no equity with the fans. If by some miracle Fields turned into the next D.Bress, he would forever be the GM who let the first franchise QB in the modern era for the Bears go!

I don't have an issue with the way he handled the Fields situation. Fields was never his guy, and it's now clear why he felt the way he did.

The problem, though, is that it's much easier to identify guys who you don't like than it is to select the right guys that you do like. Poles has been fine at the former but has struggled with the latter.

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Imagine if he BOTH traded Fields and that #1 pick.

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Didn't we suggest that he should do this? It would have taken MASSIVE balls. I still believe he learned there wasn't a market for Fields that would have produced 1 first round pick.

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The early returns on his personnel decisions are not good. However, I think it's about one season too early to declare him a bad GM (some of his acquisitions can still develop and he can have a good draft). Also, and more importantly, if you fire him after two seasons, one of which was spent tanking, what kind of candidate are you going to get to replace him? Any top candidate is going to wait for the next opportunity and you will be shopping once again in the Pace/Poles bin.

The Bears are probably going to have two top-5 picks in the 2024 draft. That fact alone suggests the Bears' GM position would be attractive to just about any candidate for the job.

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Agreed.

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This is completely true.

I just think you're discounting the job Poles has done in 18 months. Here is the crap roster he inherited: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... roster.htm Saint Omni was the only guy who was traded who is still a legitimate NFL player. We had a shit roster, no first round picks,
and we were in cap hell.

We have a much younger and better roster today. We finally have a top 100 player, we are no longer in cap hell, and we have great draft capital. Poles gets credit for that.

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I don't believe Poles went into this season knowing Fields wasn't the guy. If he did that's bad executive strategy since you want to maximize the assets you have to get optimal returns before the window to get a return closes. Fields had way more value heading into the off-season last year than he does right now. I don't think anyone would have given up a 1st rounder but something starting with a third rounder seems sensible. Now you'll be lucky to get anything for him. Poles went into the season trying to give fields a shot to prove it. Fields failed. So now let's see how poles begins the divorce proceedings because nothing else (extension or going into next year with Fields on the roster) makes sense.

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

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It was worth gambling the draft pick to find out if Fields could be the guy. Even if his gut told him Fields wasn't the guy, it was his job to be certain.

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I think a savvier scout would have known. Even amateurs like most of us here knew there were some defects we hope he'd address - all the college scouting literature was there for him to see as well maybe 25 NFL game tapes. Whatever, it's water under the bridge now. If you want to credit him for creating cap space that's cool. I've got critiques with how he's failed to use that space but we've discussed that. But he also has to own this: the day to look forward to now is Wednesday when all the media visits Halas Hall. What happened last week was so much more compelling and interesting than anything that's happened on Sundays. Under Poles, Sundays are excruciatingly boring. Wednesdays are where it's at.

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Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

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A gut rebuild is never sexy. MANY never see your vision until the project is virtually complete. Then they believed in the process all along.

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Completely agree. I don't have much faith in Poles, but I'm not ready to launch him yet either. Next offseason will be his make or break year for me.