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i can see arizona winning the next 2 to tie it.


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Altuve is gonna hit a go ahead 3 run home run isn't he


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6 playoff game wins in a row now for the Rangers. Streaky team like in the regular season. The problem for them will be if they lose a game. They'll probably end up losing the next 3.


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so the next playoff games are going to be on HBO MAX for me.

MLB is so smart.

Because you know,when you think of Playoff Baseball HBO is the first thing that pops into your head.

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interesting about the Astros being the only team to lose a 7 game series as the home team via winning all road games/losing all home games.

If I was in Nardi's spot and on the Rangers, I'd be doubling down on the Rangers series wager--currently at +350! With freaking Flamber Valdez scheduled to go
for the Astros? Come on, Game 6 is a gimme for the Rangers. It's gonna come down to what sort of pitching rotation the 2 sides can cobble together for Game 7; do the Astros punt on Game 6 and leave Valdez in to get shelled for more than once through the order and save their BP for Game 7 or try to win Game 6 with their BP and then rely on Javier to go deep if it fails and there's a game 7.

I'm stuck with my post game 2 Astros series bets; could hedge out--definitely not throwing any more at the Astros series line, esp at minus four fucking thirty--betting that lightning won't strike Minute Maid twice in 5 seasons and the Astros find a way to win one of the next 2.


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i can see arizona winning the next 2 to tie it.


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Altuve is gonna hit a go ahead 3 run home run isn't he


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6 playoff game wins in a row now for the Rangers. Streaky team like in the regular season. The problem for them will be if they lose a game. They'll probably end up losing the next 3.





well done, for sure. So who's winning these 2 series? I'm on Astros / Diamondbacks at +400 (one +420 and a 2nd at +380) on the Astros/+320 for the Diamondbacks-- i think I got the Diamondbacks series at that price after game 1? Or game 2 might've still been going? Tho they usually take the series prices off the board during the games. Seems like I bet on the Diamondbacks before Game 2 was over-over, tho it was decided as they were down like 0 to 100 or whatever.


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Do the Phillies lead the league in white guys? Seems like everybody in their lineup is white. Lots of white pitchers too. That's rare today. And, of course, it's bad. Nobody likes crackers.


but can any of theme shred on a Harley-Benton ST

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Wow! Kimbrel again..


He's gotta be the worst good pitcher. Cuz I know he's had a good career overall. But I always remember him being bad. When I would see him. Expecially with the Sox. And he's been shit the last 2 days.


He could rack up 700 saves, and I will never forgive him for what he did in a White Sox uniform. He's 15th all time in WAR for relief pitchers. That's good enough to keep him out of the Hall of Fame, but if he continues on his current trajectory for two or three more years, that could change.


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 Post subject: Re: 2023 MLB Playoffs
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Schwarber's swing is so short and quick. It's like he just flicks his wrists and the ball goes out. I would love for him to keep hitting homeruns for the Phillies and have the baseball world completely disassociate him from the Cubs.

I mean he hit .197 this year and .188 his last year as a Cub .


0.7 WAR this year. 126 walks and 215 strike outs.

The 0.7 adjusts for his defense, and he couldn't DH for much of the year when Harper had to DH because of his elbow. Offense only he was around 2.7-2.8.


So an ok, everyday player. Not an all star, not a scrub.


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 Post subject: Re: 2023 MLB Playoffs
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Here is an ESPN+ article on Schwarber and Muncy: https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/insider/story/_/id/38453348/mlb-low-batting-average-high-strikeout-100-rbi-sluggers-kyle-schwarber-max-muncy

It's behind the paywall so if one cannot access it, let me know and I'll copy and paste it.


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i can see arizona winning the next 2 to tie it.


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Altuve is gonna hit a go ahead 3 run home run isn't he


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6 playoff game wins in a row now for the Rangers. Streaky team like in the regular season. The problem for them will be if they lose a game. They'll probably end up losing the next 3.





well done, for sure. So who's winning these 2 series? I'm on Astros / Diamondbacks at +400 (one +420 and a 2nd at +380) on the Astros/+320 for the Diamondbacks-- i think I got the Diamondbacks series at that price after game 1? Or game 2 might've still been going? Tho they usually take the series prices off the board during the games. Seems like I bet on the Diamondbacks before Game 2 was over-over, tho it was decided as they were down like 0 to 100 or whatever.


it'll be Astros and Phillies still I think. I am rooting for the Rangers though.


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 Post subject: Re: 2023 MLB Playoffs
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Babe and Harper go deep 4-0.

Can the Phil’s hold on tonight? I think they will.

Series is going as I thought it would


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Bot 7 and the comeback begins.

Hr Thomas again


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Realmuto answers back w a 2 run hr

6-1

If they don’t use Kimbrel they’ll win


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Here is an ESPN+ article on Schwarber and Muncy: https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/insider/story/_/id/38453348/mlb-low-batting-average-high-strikeout-100-rbi-sluggers-kyle-schwarber-max-muncy

It's behind the paywall so if one cannot access it, let me know and I'll copy and paste it.


If you could c & p the article.


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Dbacks bot 9 2 out rally

Phil’s pitcher going w Strom. Overmanaging?


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Up 6-1 playing matchup?


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Phil’s win.

They should win the series in 6 as I predicted.


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Here is an ESPN+ article on Schwarber and Muncy: https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/insider/story/_/id/38453348/mlb-low-batting-average-high-strikeout-100-rbi-sluggers-kyle-schwarber-max-muncy

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If you could c & p the article.


Here you go:

Kyle Schwarber's mentality at the plate can best be described as "grip it and rip it." The man does not get cheated, that's for sure. That has led to prodigious home runs, both in volume and distance, prodigious numbers of strikeouts and one of the wildest seasons in major league history.

Schwarber is hitting .198 for the Philadelphia Phillies, and yet he has already scored 104 runs and driven in 100. On Friday night he became just the fifth player in 2023 to reach the century mark in both categories. With 45 home runs, he's the first player with consecutive 45-home run seasons since Ryan Howard did it four straight times from 2006 to 2009.

Still, that number pops out on his stat line, too glaring to ignore: .198. With an MLB-leading 207 strikeouts to go with it. You've probably seen one of those Internet memes pointing out Tony Gwynn struck out 188 times in the entire decade of the 1990s. For those who love to bemoan the state of the modern game -- with its emphasis on the "three true outcomes" of home runs, walks and strikeouts -- Schwarber and his .198 average represent everything that has gone wrong, and Gwynn will forever represent what was once right with baseball (as if there were a bunch of other Gwynn clones in his time).

Los Angeles Dodgers infielder Max Muncy is having a similar season to Schwarber's. He's hitting .211 with 102 RBIs, making him the player with the third-lowest batting average ever to knock in 100 runs. With 90 runs, he'll score close to 100 as well, which reminds me of something Jim Thome once told me: "I'm slow, so I know I've had a good season if I score 100 runs." Yet I've also seen Dodgers fans incessantly complaining about Muncy -- usually after he strikes out with Freddie Freeman on second base after one of Freeman's many doubles.

These unique seasons lead to this question: How good can you be if you're hitting .200 -- or below?


When Bill James published his first national "Baseball Abstract" in 1982, his first chapter was on how to measure offense. "A hitter should be evaluated by his success at that which he is trying to do, and that which he is trying to do is to create runs," he wrote. "This is such a simple point, and such an unavoidable one, that it has always seemed to me to be remarkable how few people understood it."

The basics: Batting average can be overrated and runs can be created just as effectively -- or more effectively -- with walks and power. Many of you know this by now. Still, it took another two decades, until Michael Lewis' "Moneyball" popularized the importance of on-base percentage, for the concepts to gradually gain a larger footprint within the game itself, the dawning of the modern analytics movement.

Schwarber and Muncy, however, are pushing the boundaries of how low a player's batting average can go while he still remains valuable. Along with their power (Muncy has 35 home runs), both draw a lot of walks (Schwarber has drawn 122, second in the majors to Juan Soto) so they have above-average on-base percentages despite their low batting averages. The leaguewide OBP is .320, while Schwarber is at .345 and Muncy is at .335. They're getting on base more often than Bryan Reynolds (hitting .271) or Bryson Stott (.283) or Michael Harris II (.291) or Bobby Witt Jr. (.278).

Here are some fun leaderboards showing the outlier nature of their seasons:

Most runs scored, hitting under .200
1. Kyle Schwarber, 2023 Phillies: 104
2. Joey Gallo, 2021 Rangers/Yankees: 90
3. Frankie Crosetti, 1940 Yankees: 84

Lowest batting average, 100-plus runs scored (since 1900)
1. Kyle Schwarber, 2023 Phillies: .198
2. Kyle Schwarber, 2022 Phillies: .218
3. Donie Bush, 1912 Tigers: .231

Most RBIs, hitting under .200
1. Kyle Schwarber, 2023 Phillies: 100
2. Mark Reynolds, 2010 Diamondbacks: 85
3. Carlos Pena, 2010 Rays: 84

Lowest batting average, 100-plus RBIs
1. Kyle Schwarber, 2023 Phillies: .198
2. Max Muncy, 2023 Dodgers: .211
3. Kyle Seager, 2021 Mariners: .212

Of course, runs and RBIs are team-dependent, but both players rate well in FanGraphs' park-adjusted weighted runs created (wRC+). Schwarber is at 120, which puts him alongside hitters with much higher batting averages such as Adley Rutschman, Will Smith and Justin Turner. Muncy is a few points higher at 123, alongside Paul Goldschmidt, Jose Ramirez and Bo Bichette.

That leads to this list from Baseball-Reference.com:

Most batting runs above average for players who hit under .215
1. Gene Tenace, 1974 A's: plus-26
2. Kyle Schwarber, 2023 Phillies: plus-16
3. Harmon Killebrew, 1969 Twins: plus-15
4. Joey Gallo, 2017 Rangers: plus-14
5. Joey Gallo, 2021 Rangers/Yankees: plus-13
6. Max Muncy, 2023 Dodgers: plus-12

Now, don't confuse this with me saying Schwarber and Muncy are having great seasons. Schwarber is tied for 41st in the majors in batting runs, Muncy tied for 77th. The point is that you can have a good offensive season while hitting around .200. (And all this ignores defense; Schwarber gives away much of his offensive value with his poor defense in left field; his bWAR is just 0.5. Muncy, playing a solid enough third base, is at 2.8 WAR.)

And Dodgers fans do have a point about Muncy with runners on. He's hitting .211/.333/.491 overall, but with runners in scoring position, that has dropped to .200/.348/.407. Muncy has 102 RBIs in 541 plate appearances compared to an average MLB hitter with 63 over the same number of PAs -- but, with Freeman and Mookie Betts in front of him in the lineup, he has often been at the plate runners on base. Adjusting for runners on, he drops to 19 RBIs above average. (Which, I'm guessing, is a little below a typical No. 4 or 5 hitter.)

Schwarber, meanwhile, has hit .212/.366/.533 with runners in scoring position. Since he has missed just one game and has hit leadoff since early June, he has racked up nearly 700 plate appearances. He's 19 RBIs above an average hitter for that number of plate appearances, although he has hit with slightly fewer runners on base than an average hitter. Adjusting for that, he's about 25 RBIs above average.

There is one more thing to consider here. The Dodgers are headed to the postseason and the Phillies, barring a last-week collapse, are as well. Does this style of hitting work in October? You will hear arguments that you need to hit for average in the postseason, because it's more difficult to generate home runs against good pitching. Well ... it's also more difficult to generate hits against good pitching. The collective batting average last postseason was .211. The Astros won the World Series hitting .233 throughout the playoffs. The three teams with the lowest strikeout rates in the postseason were the Blue Jays, Cardinals and Mets -- they went a collective 1-6. In 2021, the Braves hit .246 but won the World Series by hitting 23 home runs in 16 postseason games.

Both Schwarber and Muncy have been pretty good postseason hitters in their careers. Schwarber has hit .242/.371/.527 with 15 home runs and 27 RBIs in 202 PAs. He hit .218/.392/.546 with six home runs and 10 RBIs last postseason as the Phillies reached the World Series -- and that was after going hitless in his first four games. Muncy has hit .238/.398/.490 with 10 home runs and 29 RBIs in 181 postseason PAs. When the Dodgers won the World Series in 2020, Muncy had a .438 OBP, driving in 14 runs and scoring 12 in 18 games.

It's a trade-off: The power and walks for the swing and miss and the resulting strikeouts with runners on base. It can be frustrating. Both players can run hot and cold. Schwarber is known for his blazing hot streaks, but Muncy struggled in May (.186) and June (.111) before hitting much better the past three months (.237/.348/.531).

It's modern baseball. It can work. It's not always pretty. We can pine all we want for Tony Gwynn -- but he was one of a kind.

And he also never had a 100/100 season.


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texas in a 1st inning jam.

they need to stop the astros from scoring in the first

if the astros score even 1 run here game over


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game over

the astros peaked at the right time going into the playoffs.

now they're peaking on their peak.

i dont know how the NL will beat this team. I thought it was the Phillies year but if the Astros are playing like this i dont know how they'll be beat.


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texas answers back with a first pitch hR by garver

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Rangers HR again.

both going the other way

good to see because they're trying to pull the ball in the other games in Texas.

3-1. can they hold on? very early in the game.


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Astors cut it to one.

Rangers FDR big double play to get out of jam.

Good game. Going to go down to the end.


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Rangers 0-11 w runners in scoring position tonight. that may come back to haunt them


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Garvers comes thru!

4-2 now

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leclerc again? wow

he going to blow it again

just walked tucker , bases loaded.

not looking good, he isn't even close to throwing a strike


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