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:lol: this explains a lot about Dan Bernstein.

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Jason Benetti: "The Sox baserunning has been so anti-intellectual that it makes look Ron Swanson like Hal Incandenza!"
Dan Bernstein: "That is almost...[sigh]...almost rabbinical in its pseudo-neo-Wittgensteinian wordplay."
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OK, let's get objective. if the guy who signs the checks doesn't think he's funny, then he ain't funny.


I agree with your point but Jerry thought that Ed Farmer was the funniest guy he knew. Not kidding on that.

But it's Jerry's team.

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:lol: this explains a lot about Dan Bernstein.

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Dan using objectively incorrectly. He would eviscerate someone on the radio for that mistake.

Benetti had that dorky humor Bernstein would love. He also played to his sycophants, just as Bernstein does. Dan thinks nerdy equates to intelligent. He doesn't realize there are just as many nerds sitting in their basements with anime body pillows as there are mouth breathing callers to sports radio stations.

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Frank already summed it up...it's just another shot amongst an entirely bad situation. Just when you can't hate this organization enough, something like this happens.

Benetti was fine....agreed with the others, he's much better in College Football and other National Broadcasts. He wasn't terrible with the White Sox, but he and Stone as a pairing was awful. They had zero chemistry. Then again, Hawk and Stoney weren't a good pairing either. Stone is way past his usefulness...but I take nothing away that once upon he time he was the best color analyst in the game.

I can live with Benetti leaving, even though the circumstances are inexcusable and 100% an indication of Jerry's toxic organization. The biggest problem I have is I'm sure whoever they hire to replace Benetti will be horrible. I'd bet any amount of money it will someone incredibly strange and unqualified like Gordon Beckham.

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He's improved a lot, but he still sounds uncomfortable st times.

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Article from last year when Benetti reupped. Unsurprisingly it makes the Sox sound like a pretty trash organization to deal with as they won’t negotiate with broadcaster’s agents. Benetti said negotiations were a pain in the ass and Brooks Boyer pretty much said they were great.

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Don’t get Jason Benetti wrong. He’s thrilled to be back with Steve Stone in the White Sox’ TV booth. He’s excited to work again with the NBC Sports Chicago production crew he calls “amazing.” And he still feels the tug of Sox fandom from his youth.

But the run-up to the announcement last week that the Sox had picked up the multiyear option on Benetti’s contract wasn’t what he had hoped.

“The really good news is we got somewhere good,” Benetti said. “It was kind of a pain, really. There were some things that we had to get through that I thought were silly, and I’m sure they thought some of the stuff that I was talking about might’ve been silly. But we got there in the end.”

Had they not, other teams were ready to pounce. According to sources, the Braves were watching Benetti’s situation after losing longtime voice Chip Caray to the Cardinals. Instead, Benetti returns for his eighth season with the Sox alongside Stone, who’s back for his 16th.

But there was a disconnect during negotiations. Brooks Boyer, the Sox’ senior vice president in charge of revenue and marketing, saw the talks differently.

“I don’t think there were any complications to it,” Boyer said. “It really wasn’t much of a negotiation because we had picked up the option. It was just ironing out how we put [his] national schedule in [our] local schedule. So there really wasn’t anything that sticks out that was bothersome to me.”

The biggest topic in the talks initially was Benetti’s new national schedule with Fox. He’ll call his first slate of MLB games for the network this season, and that will take him off Sox local broadcasts for a number of Saturdays. In the fall, Benetti figures to miss some games to call college football on Fox.

Benetti said he has been mindful of the effects those commitments have on the Sox. During the 60-game season in 2020, he called just one college football game for ESPN and didn’t miss a Sox game for it. In 2021, he gave a game back to ESPN because the Sox wanted him on the mic at the end of the season.

“I know that based on what Hawk [Harrelson] did over all those years, the team’s preference would be for me to be there for every game, and I get that,” Benetti said. “And I truly do appreciate that they were able to get to a place where I can do both of these things. I think it’s mutually beneficial.”

“We’ve been very supportive and excited for Jason that he has grown his profile,” said Boyer, who last year allowed Benetti to call Peacock’s Sunday games. “We certainly get residual value for that. Jason’s connection got us the Bill Walton game [in 2019], which gave us a ton of national exposure.”

But the sides had settled in the fall on the number of games Benetti could miss, and his contract wasn’t finalized until Jan. 23. Boyer said the team figures out most broadcasters’ deals around the end of a season, then finalizes them in January.

“I didn’t think much of it. I don’t think anybody thought much of it,” Boyer said. “The reality is with our guys, they’re part of the family. I have a trusting relationship with [Benetti and Stone], and they’ve got a trusting relationship with us. It was just a matter of getting our inside general counsel to draw it up.”

What’s unique about the Sox’ negotiations with broadcasters is that they’re done with the broadcasters, not agents. Benetti has joked that he feels like a player in arbitration. Boyer disagreed with the comparison but stood by the Sox’ way of doing business.

“Whether it’s [executive vice president] Kenny Williams or [general manager] Rick Hahn, they don’t use agents,” he said. “We’re compensating them; we have a partnership with them. There’s never been a need to have any sort of outside entity come in and negotiate these things.”

But if there were, maybe Benetti wouldn’t feel how he feels. You’d think an organization wouldn’t want its front-facing talent on the front lines of contract talks. Benetti and Stone represent the Sox for three hours a night. There’s no sense risking the quality of one of the best broadcasts in baseball.

“I’ll be honest, there were points where I was really frustrated,” Benetti said. “Because I think the work has been strong and I appreciate the heck out of the fans and I have loved the Sox for all my life. I just thought it would be easier. But just because it wasn’t easier doesn’t mean it didn’t get done.

“Where I have put myself, totally honestly, the place I am is we got it done, and that means something. It means both sides wanted it to happen.”



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If you have a PBP who is never selected to do national broadcasts, you either have a Bob Uecker-level legend or you have a pretty average announcer.

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Len Kasper gave up the Cubs TV gig to be some nobody in the sox radio booth? Was Marquee that bad when they came in? Worse than the Whitesox Management?


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Frank already summed it up...it's just another shot amongst an entirely bad situation. Just when you can't hate this organization enough, something like this happens.

Benetti was fine....agreed with the others, he's much better in College Football and other National Broadcasts. He wasn't terrible with the White Sox, but he and Stone as a pairing was awful. They had zero chemistry. Then again, Hawk and Stoney weren't a good pairing either. Stone is way past his usefulness...but I take nothing away that once upon he time he was the best color analyst in the game.

I can live with Benetti leaving, even though the circumstances are inexcusable and 100% an indication of Jerry's toxic organization. The biggest problem I have is I'm sure whoever they hire to replace Benetti will be horrible. I'd bet any amount of money it will someone incredibly strange and unqualified like Gordon Beckham.

I fucking hate Jerry Reinsdorf.

Again, how is missing nearly a quarter of a season OK with ANYBODY, except for Jason? I understand there's the narrative of "incompetent White Sox" but this just does not belong in that narrative.


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It's the big picture. I sort of covered this here; viewtopic.php?f=100&t=131033#p3978553

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The guy didn't want to work here unless he had 27 games off. Vin Scully, he ain't. Seriously Frank, how many times have you looked at your TV and told Benetti to shut the fuck up or rolled your eyes? Countless times, so don't crap me.


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Frank already summed it up...it's just another shot amongst an entirely bad situation. Just when you can't hate this organization enough, something like this happens.

Benetti was fine....agreed with the others, he's much better in College Football and other National Broadcasts. He wasn't terrible with the White Sox, but he and Stone as a pairing was awful. They had zero chemistry. Then again, Hawk and Stoney weren't a good pairing either. Stone is way past his usefulness...but I take nothing away that once upon he time he was the best color analyst in the game.

I can live with Benetti leaving, even though the circumstances are inexcusable and 100% an indication of Jerry's toxic organization. The biggest problem I have is I'm sure whoever they hire to replace Benetti will be horrible. I'd bet any amount of money it will someone incredibly strange and unqualified like Gordon Beckham.

I fucking hate Jerry Reinsdorf.

Again, how is missing nearly a quarter of a season OK with ANYBODY, except for Jason? I understand there's the narrative of "incompetent White Sox" but this just does not belong in that narrative.

Plus - and taste is subjective - he was obnoxious. Just a terrible listen, particularly when the Sox aren’t playing well.

Coincidentally they’re not going to play well for the next several years (maybe ever).

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Benetti had that dorky humor Bernstein would love. He also played to his sycophants, just as Bernstein does. Dan thinks nerdy equates to intelligent. He doesn't realize there are just as many nerds sitting in their basements with anime body pillows as there are mouth breathing callers to sports radio stations.

A few times a year, Senor will tell a story about a different person each time that roughly goes like this:

"I was talking to a friend of mine the other day. He's an endocrinologist at the University of Chicago. Lifelong, die-hard White Sox fan. ["I am a die sox...white fan" drop] Yeah no really that's just it though he is. This guy went to Michigan and Princeton and he's a complete shrieking meatball Sox fan. And what he said to me was [sigh] 'it's not the pain of knowing that one day they're going to move that gets me. What really hurts is the pain of knowing that when they do move, the pain I feel every day as a fan of this team will once and for all subside, and then I'll finally be happy. That's what hurts the most.' And to have this...this meta-consciousness about the suffering that the White Sox bring you as a fan, this institution that should bring you joy but only brings you misery, and not even that, but suffering about your suffering, you stop and think that this, more than memories of games or the smell of popcorn or Andy the Clown [Murph Andy MacPhail drop] NO, DIFFERENT CLOWN, DIFFERENT CLOWN, that...[sigh] it's this existential dread that truly runs through generations of Sox fans, and if you're paying attention, it's more than baseball, too."

Anyway, there are like 30 of those people in Chicago, they're all in a group chat with Dan Bernstein, and they're the people Jason Benetti did his broadcast for.

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Benetti had that dorky humor Bernstein would love. He also played to his sycophants, just as Bernstein does. Dan thinks nerdy equates to intelligent. He doesn't realize there are just as many nerds sitting in their basements with anime body pillows as there are mouth breathing callers to sports radio stations.

A few times a year, Senor will tell a story about a different person each time that roughly goes like this:

"I was talking to a friend of mine the other day. He's an endocrinologist at the University of Chicago. Lifelong, die-hard White Sox fan. ["I am a die sox...white fan" drop] Yeah no really that's just it though he is. This guy went to Michigan and Princeton and he's a complete shrieking meatball Sox fan. And what he said to me was [sigh] 'it's not the pain of knowing that one day they're going to move that gets me. What really hurts is the pain of knowing that when they do move, the pain I feel every day as a fan of this team will once and for all subside, and then I'll finally be happy. That's what hurts the most.' And to have this...this meta-consciousness about the suffering that the White Sox bring you as a fan, this institution that should bring you joy but only brings you misery, and not even that, but suffering about your suffering, you stop and think that this, more than memories of games or the smell of popcorn or Andy the Clown [Murph Andy MacPhail drop] NO, DIFFERENT CLOWN, DIFFERENT CLOWN, that...[sigh] it's this existential dread that truly runs through generations of Sox fans, and if you're paying attention, it's more than baseball, too."

Anyway, there are like 30 of those people in Chicago, they're all in a group chat with Dan Bernstein, and they're the people Jason Benetti did his broadcast for.

Very well done.

I’ve always assumed the various lawyers & medical specialists Dan references are personalities he’s created for himself a lá James McAvoy’s character in M. Night Shyamalan’s Oscar winning opus, Split.

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I liked Binetti overall. I didnt listen to him every day but he had good baseball knowledge. I thought him and Stone made a really good team.

But not putting Len Kasper back into the TV booth as the lead guy is stupid. He and Stoney were terrific together when Len was filling in. That pair has the potential to be one of the top 5 in baseball duo's in the game today.


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The guy didn't want to work here unless he had 27 games off. Vin Scully, he ain't. Seriously Frank, how many times have you looked at your TV and told Benetti to shut the fuck up or rolled your eyes? Countless times, so don't crap me.


The prevailing opinion here appears to be that we're annoyed by him. If that's the case, why do we care how much time he takes off? If anything, he should take more time off.


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Benetti had that dorky humor Bernstein would love. He also played to his sycophants, just as Bernstein does. Dan thinks nerdy equates to intelligent. He doesn't realize there are just as many nerds sitting in their basements with anime body pillows as there are mouth breathing callers to sports radio stations.

A few times a year, Senor will tell a story about a different person each time that roughly goes like this:

"I was talking to a friend of mine the other day. He's an endocrinologist at the University of Chicago. Lifelong, die-hard White Sox fan. ["I am a die sox...white fan" drop] Yeah no really that's just it though he is. This guy went to Michigan and Princeton and he's a complete shrieking meatball Sox fan. And what he said to me was [sigh] 'it's not the pain of knowing that one day they're going to move that gets me. What really hurts is the pain of knowing that when they do move, the pain I feel every day as a fan of this team will once and for all subside, and then I'll finally be happy. That's what hurts the most.' And to have this...this meta-consciousness about the suffering that the White Sox bring you as a fan, this institution that should bring you joy but only brings you misery, and not even that, but suffering about your suffering, you stop and think that this, more than memories of games or the smell of popcorn or Andy the Clown [Murph Andy MacPhail drop] NO, DIFFERENT CLOWN, DIFFERENT CLOWN, that...[sigh] it's this existential dread that truly runs through generations of Sox fans, and if you're paying attention, it's more than baseball, too."

Anyway, there are like 30 of those people in Chicago, they're all in a group chat with Dan Bernstein, and they're the people Jason Benetti did his broadcast for.

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I pictured more Russell Crowe's character in A Beautiful Mind. "He never gets old! The Bulls fan who emails about the Hegelian synthesis of rejecting the fanbase's atavistic tribalism while embracing a championship standard, he never gets old!"

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Frank already summed it up...it's just another shot amongst an entirely bad situation. Just when you can't hate this organization enough, something like this happens.

Benetti was fine....agreed with the others, he's much better in College Football and other National Broadcasts. He wasn't terrible with the White Sox, but he and Stone as a pairing was awful. They had zero chemistry. Then again, Hawk and Stoney weren't a good pairing either. Stone is way past his usefulness...but I take nothing away that once upon he time he was the best color analyst in the game.

I can live with Benetti leaving, even though the circumstances are inexcusable and 100% an indication of Jerry's toxic organization. The biggest problem I have is I'm sure whoever they hire to replace Benetti will be horrible. I'd bet any amount of money it will someone incredibly strange and unqualified like Gordon Beckham.

I fucking hate Jerry Reinsdorf.

Again, how is missing nearly a quarter of a season OK with ANYBODY, except for Jason? I understand there's the narrative of "incompetent White Sox" but this just does not belong in that narrative.

Some guys besides Jason who broadcast some network games on either TV or radio: Joe Davis (Dodgers), Ron Darling (Mets), Dave Fleming (Giants), Brian Anderson (Brewers), Jon Sciambi (Cubs), Len Kasper (White Sox, at least in 2022), Don Orsillo (Padres), Ryan Spilborghs (Rockies)

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