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Yes, he was a notorious drug cheat. However, he was also insanely talented and absolutely belongs in the Hall of Fame.


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I thought it was insane that Bonds’ final season OPS was 1.045 (age 42) and then I saw that Ted Williams (age 41) had a 1.096 in his last year.

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He's the greatest hitter I've ever seen. Ohtani is the GOAT.

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Some of my favorite baseball facts are the ones on Tony Gwynn

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Most of us know the headlines — the .338 career batting average, the eight batting titles, the 3,141 career hits and 15 All-Star games — but Gwynn's greatness went beyond the big shiny stuff. It could also be found in his lack of strikeouts, his four-hit games, his ability to get a hit with two strikes.

So here are 19 incredible facts about No. 19, Mr. Padre, the illustrious Tony Gwynn:

• Gwynn's rookie season, in which he played in 54 games, is the only year of his career that he didn't hit .300. He hit .289. His 19 consecutive .300 seasons are second to only Ty Cobb, who had 23.

• Gwynn's career .338 batting average is of a different era. As Yahoo Sports' Jeff Passan notes, every other hitter with an average of .338 or above started his career before 1940.

• From 1995, the year he turned 35, to 2001, the final year of his career, Gwynn hit .350, with 937 hits. He never stopped being productive at the plate.

• For his career batting average to slip below .300, Gwynn would have needed to add 1,183 hitless at-bats to his total — roughly the equivalent of two full seasons. (Via @AceballStats)

• Of the 12 top batting seasons since the expansion era began in 1961, Gwynn owns four of them. Those are: .368 in 1995, .370 in 1987, .372 in 1997 and .394 in the strike-shortened 1994 season. (via Baseball Reference)

• In 1994, Jeff Bagwell hit .368, the 13th best season since 1961, but didn't even win the NL batting title because Gwynn was nearly 30 points better.

• Gwynn had nine five-hit games in his career. Only Pete Rose had more, with 10. Gwynn also had 45 games with at least four hits. That puts him 10th on the all-time list.

• In 2,440 career games, Gwynn had only 34 multi-strikeout games. So, the odds were better that Gwynn would get four hits than striking out twice. Let that sink in.

• Gwynn's 434 career strikeouts are an amazing mark for a player who had 10,232 career plate appearances. Paul Waner is the only member of the 3,000 hit club to do better. He struck out 376 times in 10,766 plate appearances from 1926-1945. (Via ESPN Stats & Info)

• For comparison's sake: Adam Dunn has struck out 486 times since the start of 2012. Mark Reynolds struck out exactly 434 times in 2009 and 2010.

• In 1995, Gwynn struck out only 15 times in 535 at-bats. That's insane. As Aceball Stats points out, 27 current MLB players have already struck out than more than 15 times in June.

• Eleven times in his career Gwynn managed to not strikeout for 20 consecutive games. The longest streak, 39 games, came in 1995.

• Only once in his career did Gwynn have a three-stikeout game. Eerily, it came against Bob Welch on April 14, 1986. Welch died last week at age 57. That was quite a game. Welch pitched 9 2/3 innings, striking out 12, but the Padres won 4-3. Gwynn had a hit earlier in the game, then reached on an error in the 10th inning and scored to tie the game at 3. The next inning, the Padres won on a walk-off homer.

• More on Gwynn's lack of strikeouts: He faced some great pitchers, but even the cream of the crop had trouble getting him out. Neither Pedro Martinez nor Greg Maddux ever struck him out. Maddux faced Gwynn 107 times and Gwynn hit .415 off Maddux.

• As Yahoo Sports' Eric Edholm dug up: Gwynn had 323 career at-bats against Maddux, Marinez, Tom Glavine and John Smoltz and struck out only three times. Glavine got him twice. Pete Abraham of the Boston Globe notes that Curt Schilling managed to strike out Gwynn twice in 43 at-bats.

• Gwynn never hit for .400 in one season, though he came close to matching Ted Williams. In that strike-shortened 1994 season, Gwynn finished at .394 through 110 games. He was hitting .423 in the second half of the season, so it was very much a possibility.

• Gwynn did top .400 for a 179-game span between July 3, 1993 and May 9, 1995. He hit .403 in 697 at-bats.

• In two-strike counts, Gwynn hit .302. That's a statistic that's only been measured since 1988, and since then, Gwynn's mark is easily the best. Wade Boggs, next on the list, hit .260 in two-strike counts. (Via @Castrovince)

• From 1984-1999, there was only one season that Tony Gwynn wasn't named an All-Star. That was 1988. But he won the NL batting title that year, hitting .313, so he got the last laugh.



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Yes, he was a notorious drug cheat. However, he was also insanely talented and absolutely belongs in the Hall of Fame.

Definitely reward the cheaters.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Warren Newson wrote:
Yes, he was a notorious drug cheat. However, he was also insanely talented and absolutely belongs in the Hall of Fame.

Definitely reward the cheaters.


Feel free to throw out the prime steroids years if you're so inclined. He had something like 91 WAR through 1997. The average Hall of Fame left fielder has 65.1 for their career.


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Nas wrote:
He's the greatest hitter I've ever seen. Ohtani is the GOAT.

If he does it for ten more years, then maybe

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Crazy that Gwynn faced Maddux 107 times and never struck out.

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Roided Bonds was the greatest athlete (in his sport) that I’ve ever seen.

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Fun baseball fact: the steroid era was pretty awesome.


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Fun baseball fact: the steroid era was pretty awesome.

#truth

If anything, it was a test case for the benefits of roiding up professional athletes.

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Fun baseball fact: the steroid era was pretty awesome.


Agreed. Every era has their illegal substances.

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Nas wrote:
He's the greatest hitter I've ever seen. Ohtani is the GOAT.

Barreled up with that toothpick of a bat. So I have to agree. I'd put Gwynn 2nd. He hit the ball wherever he damn well pleased. I just haven't seen enough of Ohtani because he plays with the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim. Hell, I haven't seen enough of Trout either.

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Nas wrote:
KDdidit wrote:
Fun baseball fact: the steroid era was pretty awesome.


Agreed. Every era has their illegal substances.

Nas decided to put all of his bad thoughts into one thread. What a considerate man!

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I'm sure I'm repeating this on here, but

Maddux on Gwynn:

“You just can’t do it,” Maddux said. “Sometimes hitters can pick up differences in spin. They can identify pitches if there are different release points or if a curveball starts with an upward hump as it leaves the pitcher’s hand. But if a pitcher can change speeds, every hitter is helpless, limited by human vision.

“Except for that (expletive) Tony Gwynn.”


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Fun baseball fact: the steroid era was pretty awesome.

#truth

If anything, it was a test case for the benefits of roiding up professional athletes.


It was good for the accumulation of stats, but having guys stand on base and wait for a three run homer does not exactly make for exciting baseball. Also, an 11 to 8 final score usually doesn't make for a compelling game.


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At the peak of steroid scoring they managed to strike out 2 times less per game and scored 1/2 a run a game more, even though they hit more homers in 2023.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
KDdidit wrote:
Fun baseball fact: the steroid era was pretty awesome.

#truth

If anything, it was a test case for the benefits of roiding up professional athletes.

Get a load of the tree-hugging, easy-on-crime liberals over here.

I actually hated it, because it devalued pitching and because it made Frank Thomas's numbers look ordinary.

1991 World Series--will we see another like that one? Lots of great 2-1/1-0 playoff games that year and the year before, too.

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Thomas-Sox-WorldSeries wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
KDdidit wrote:
Fun baseball fact: the steroid era was pretty awesome.

#truth

If anything, it was a test case for the benefits of roiding up professional athletes.

Get a load of the tree-hugging, easy-on-crime liberals over here.

I actually hated it, because it devalued pitching and because it made Frank Thomas's numbers look ordinary.

1991 World Series--will we see another like that one? Lots of great 2-1/1-0 playoff games that year and the year before, too.

Pitchers were doing it too.

Drugs for everybody!!

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Thomas-Sox-WorldSeries wrote:
Nas wrote:
KDdidit wrote:
Fun baseball fact: the steroid era was pretty awesome.


Agreed. Every era has their illegal substances.

Nas decided to put all of his bad thoughts into one thread. What a considerate man!


If only that were so... :lol:

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Nas wrote:
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Fun baseball fact: the steroid era was pretty awesome.


Agreed. Every era has their illegal substances.

Nas decided to put all of his bad thoughts into one thread. What a considerate man!


Don't tell me that you are one of those purity guys.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Thomas-Sox-WorldSeries wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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Fun baseball fact: the steroid era was pretty awesome.

#truth

If anything, it was a test case for the benefits of roiding up professional athletes.

Get a load of the tree-hugging, easy-on-crime liberals over here.

I actually hated it, because it devalued pitching and because it made Frank Thomas's numbers look ordinary.

1991 World Series--will we see another like that one? Lots of great 2-1/1-0 playoff games that year and the year before, too.

Pitchers were doing it too.

Drugs for everybody!!


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Thomas-Sox-WorldSeries wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
KDdidit wrote:
Fun baseball fact: the steroid era was pretty awesome.

#truth

If anything, it was a test case for the benefits of roiding up professional athletes.

Get a load of the tree-hugging, easy-on-crime liberals over here.

I actually hated it, because it devalued pitching and because it made Frank Thomas's numbers look ordinary.

1991 World Series--will we see another like that one? Lots of great 2-1/1-0 playoff games that year and the year before, too.


Once the Sox chickened out in 2003 on refusing to take the drug tests to trigger enhanced testing, Frank and everyone else became guilty.


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OscarTangoEcho wrote:
I'm sure I'm repeating this on here, but

Maddux on Gwynn:

“You just can’t do it,” Maddux said. “Sometimes hitters can pick up differences in spin. They can identify pitches if there are different release points or if a curveball starts with an upward hump as it leaves the pitcher’s hand. But if a pitcher can change speeds, every hitter is helpless, limited by human vision.

“Except for that (expletive) Tony Gwynn.”

I wonder what expletive he used to describe Tony.

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OscarTangoEcho wrote:
I'm sure I'm repeating this on here, but

Maddux on Gwynn:

“You just can’t do it,” Maddux said. “Sometimes hitters can pick up differences in spin. They can identify pitches if there are different release points or if a curveball starts with an upward hump as it leaves the pitcher’s hand. But if a pitcher can change speeds, every hitter is helpless, limited by human vision.

“Except for that (expletive) Tony Gwynn.”

I wonder what expletive he used to describe Tony.


It begins with an N.

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OscarTangoEcho wrote:
I'm sure I'm repeating this on here, but

Maddux on Gwynn:

“You just can’t do it,” Maddux said. “Sometimes hitters can pick up differences in spin. They can identify pitches if there are different release points or if a curveball starts with an upward hump as it leaves the pitcher’s hand. But if a pitcher can change speeds, every hitter is helpless, limited by human vision.

“Except for that (expletive) Tony Gwynn.”

I wonder what expletive he used to describe Tony.

My guess is you think it was "autistic"

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KDdidit wrote:
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KDdidit wrote:
Fun baseball fact: the steroid era was pretty awesome.

#truth

If anything, it was a test case for the benefits of roiding up professional athletes.

Get a load of the tree-hugging, easy-on-crime liberals over here.

I actually hated it, because it devalued pitching and because it made Frank Thomas's numbers look ordinary.

1991 World Series--will we see another like that one? Lots of great 2-1/1-0 playoff games that year and the year before, too.


Once the Sox chickened out in 2003 on refusing to take the drug tests to trigger enhanced testing, Frank and everyone else became guilty.

Frank begged for the MLB to implement testing in the 90s and 2000s. He was always against it. Stay out of this if you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. You clearly don't.

You could look it up, too.

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Frank had a historic 5 or 7 year run. Bonds was still a better overall player and hitter. No one knows for sure if Auburn Frank was putting needles in his ass.

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