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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Do Cub fans get angry about a non-signing (e.g., Machado) or does the GM get a “look how hard I tried even if I failed” award (e.g., Ryan Pace)?


This is DOUBLE what Machado signed for in 2019. Machado was 26yr, not 30 going into a second Tommy John surgery. Not the same thing.

Ask me how I feel if they don't sign Bellinger or trade for Soto and sign him to a long contract. Those two are in 2019 Machado range.

600MIL for Ohtani is insane and not worth the money on pure baseball talent. These teams are banking on marketing and off the field revenue to justify the 600MIL but will not factor that in when they talk about team total payroll.
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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Do Cub fans get angry about a non-signing (e.g., Machado) or does the GM get a “look how hard I tried even if I failed” award (e.g., Ryan Pace)?


This is DOUBLE what Machado signed for in 2019. Machado was 26yr, not 30 going into a second Tommy John surgery. Not the same thing.

Ask me how I feel if they don't sign Bellinger or trade for Soto and sign him to a long contract. Those two are in 2019 Machado range.

600MIL for Ohtani is insane and not worth the money on pure baseball talent. These teams are banking on marketing and off the field revenue to justify the 600MIL but will not factor that in when they talk about team total payroll.

I think they’re banking on him being an ace and a middle of the order hitter.

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Oh ok so now it’s just the Cubs don’t want him.


I didn't want him from the start. I thought you left the board?
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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Juiced wrote:
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Do Cub fans get angry about a non-signing (e.g., Machado) or does the GM get a “look how hard I tried even if I failed” award (e.g., Ryan Pace)?


This is DOUBLE what Machado signed for in 2019. Machado was 26yr, not 30 going into a second Tommy John surgery. Not the same thing.

Ask me how I feel if they don't sign Bellinger or trade for Soto and sign him to a long contract. Those two are in 2019 Machado range.

600MIL for Ohtani is insane and not worth the money on pure baseball talent. These teams are banking on marketing and off the field revenue to justify the 600MIL but will not factor that in when they talk about team total payroll.

I think they’re banking on him being an ace and a middle of the order hitter.


The success stories are few and far between for players performing at a high level after their second Tommy John surgery. If they are banking on that they are fools.
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Juiced wrote:
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Juiced wrote:
This Ends in Antioch wrote:
Do Cub fans get angry about a non-signing (e.g., Machado) or does the GM get a “look how hard I tried even if I failed” award (e.g., Ryan Pace)?


This is DOUBLE what Machado signed for in 2019. Machado was 26yr, not 30 going into a second Tommy John surgery. Not the same thing.

Ask me how I feel if they don't sign Bellinger or trade for Soto and sign him to a long contract. Those two are in 2019 Machado range.

600MIL for Ohtani is insane and not worth the money on pure baseball talent. These teams are banking on marketing and off the field revenue to justify the 600MIL but will not factor that in when they talk about team total payroll.

I think they’re banking on him being an ace and a middle of the order hitter.


The success stories are few and far between for players performing at a high level after their second Tommy John surgery. If they are banking on that they are fools.


in the normal progression scenario he won't pitch next year, will have troubles the next year then may return to some form in year three

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It's ok. We didn't want Ohtani anyway. We got Counsel in free agency. He's worth 5-7 wins.

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Glad to see dolphin and mike have had the chance to think through what their bitch will be on either side of how the Othani thing goes.

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It's ok. We didn't want Ohtani anyway. We got Counsel in free agency. He's worth 5-7 wins.

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Glad to see dolphin and mike have had the chance to think through what their bitch will be on either side of how the Othani thing goes.


You rang? :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Offseason Plans
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It's ok. We didn't want Ohtani anyway. We got Counsel in free agency. He's worth 5-7 wins.


Still not as valuable as that KC Coaching tree the Sux are tapping :lol: :lol: :lol:
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6 year countdown to me being a cub fan. Jerry will rot in hell for this.

One request. Can 'we' get some decent unis before 2029?
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Juan Soto.

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Are you saying he's going to be a Cub?



Very likely.

based on?



My insider information.


You might need new insiders...
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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Offseason Plans
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The Division wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Caller Bob wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Juan Soto.

Bookmark this post.


Are you saying he's going to be a Cub?



Very likely.

based on?



My insider information.


You might need new insiders...

:lol: :lol:
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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Offseason Plans
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The Division wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Juan Soto.

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Are you saying he's going to be a Cub?



Very likely.

based on?



My insider information.


You might need new insiders...


"Very likely." Not guaranteed. I never said it was imminent.

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 Post subject: Re: Cubs Offseason Plans
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That's funny since I know the guy in San Diego who had many discussions with the Cubs re: Soto. But I guess some Twitter guy named "WhenClarkMetAddison" knows more than he does.

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Jorr's guy in San Diego >>>>>> WhenClarkMetAddision ?
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Jorr's guy in San Diego >>>>>> WhenClarkMetAddision ?



I'll say yeah. WhenClarkMetAddison sounds like a disgruntled Cub fan who is upset they haven't signed Ohtani and Bellinger and traded for Soto already. We have a lot of those kind of fans in the White Sox groups. They like to post, "WE IZ GET NO ONE."

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Soto and Yankee Stadium are a fit. I don't think Boras would have it any other way.

When it comes down to it, Cubs would only have him the one year. So it is what it is when the most powerful agent in history is pulling the strings.
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Cuba couldve signed Ohtani Soto and Bellinger and it wont mean shit until they get some pitching.

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Soto and Yankee Stadium are a fit. I don't think Boras would have it any other way.

When it comes down to it, Cubs would only have him the one year. So it is what it is when the most powerful agent in history is pulling the strings.

Yeah it seems dumb to me to give up things for a guy like that where you know there is no hope of an extension. He is going to free agency.

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He's going to have 50 HRs easily in NY.

Judge's 6'9" frame might be a problem in CF though. Could be some ouchies. Maybe put him in LF and Stanton full time DH?
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"Very likely." Not guaranteed. I never said it was imminent.


Was just busting on you...i don't think the Cubs were ever "publicly" in on Soto but who knows.
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Soto and Yankee Stadium are a fit. I don't think Boras would have it any other way.

When it comes down to it, Cubs would only have him the one year. So it is what it is when the most powerful agent in history is pulling the strings.

Yeah it seems dumb to me to give up things for a guy like that where you know there is no hope of an extension. He is going to free agency.


I would have given up Morel and a prospect outside of the Cubs top 5(Brown, Alcantara) for 1 year of Juan Soto
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He's going to have 50 HRs easily in NY.

Judge's 6'9" frame might be a problem in CF though. Could be some ouchies. Maybe put him in LF and Stanton full time DH?

Grisham will play CF most of the time.

I'm not sure why they acquired Verdugo. I guess to DH when Stanton is inevitably hurt.

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Soto and Yankee Stadium are a fit. I don't think Boras would have it any other way.

When it comes down to it, Cubs would only have him the one year. So it is what it is when the most powerful agent in history is pulling the strings.

Yeah it seems dumb to me to give up things for a guy like that where you know there is no hope of an extension. He is going to free agency.


I would have given up Morel and a prospect outside of the Cubs top 5(Brown, Alcantara) for 1 year of Juan Soto


Agreed. You'll give up more at the deadline for lesser players.

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They've made the play-offs 11 consecutive times. That's not propaganda and it does make them more likely to make the WS every year. (Note: I am definitely not a Dodgers fan).


Look up how many surgeries Walker Buehler and Dustin May have had. I'm selling on the 2024 Dodgers.

That’s not really the point though. They are a perennial contender that has shown they are willing to spend money to stay that way. Adding Ohtani only boosts their chances.


It is the point. Their starting pitching sucks. They also weren't willing to spend money to resign Corey Seager or Trea Turner. And there's no such thing as a perennial contender. The 90s Braves had an ending. Stan Kasten knows that. .

Teams like the Astros and Rangers are in a much better position to compete for a championship. And there's no income tax in Texas! Same goes for the Braves or Phillies. All 4 teams are in a better position than the Dodgers.


Ahem.

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