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Tall Midget

Post subject: Re: I'm Starting to Doubt Fields

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 7:54 am

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He's taken steps in his development. At best they've been baby steps as a passer. It's probably more accurate to describe them as 15 week aborted "fetus" steps. Not enough to pass on a quarterback with a top 2 and top 10 pick.

He's improved a lot, but he's still a below average QB.

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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:58 am

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Zaidman asking Mully for an example of someone who became a franchise QB after starting with an 8-27 record. Mully couldn’t think of anyone but recalled Brett Favre as someone who a team (Atlanta) regretted trading— because Favre drunkenly tried to pick up one of the team’s secretaries at a Christmas party. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: I'm Starting to Doubt Fields

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:11 am

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Tall Midget wrote:

I bet fields would do pretty well as a punt and kick returner.

Maybe next year slide him over to safety as a replacement for Eddie Jackson.

On offense, the Bears could also run a variation of the wishbone or T formation with Williams at QB and Fields as a running back who also throws 3 or 4 times per game.

Double QB. Both in the shotgun. You never know who gets the snap.

Steak dinner, BOOOM!

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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:27 am

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Brad Biggs brought this up this morning. Bears played a lot of those teams.

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Post subject: Re: I'm Starting to Doubt Fields

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Jaw Breaker wrote:

I may be misremembering, but didn’t Alex Smith suck initially? He wasn’t an upper tier QB, but he was a solid starter for a long time. That may be Fields’ ceiling if everything breaks the right way after he leaves Chicago.

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Post subject: Re: I'm Starting to Doubt Fields

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:32 am

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blackhawksfan wrote:

Brad Biggs brought this up this morning. Bears played a lot of those teams.

YEAH BUT THE DROPS , THE LINE PLAY, THE PLAY CALLING !!!

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Post subject: Re: I'm Starting to Doubt Fields

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:37 am

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Brick wrote:

Love is just average. He will soon be highly paid and average.

Nice copium

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Brick

Post subject: Re: I'm Starting to Doubt Fields

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FavreFan wrote:

Brick wrote:

Love is just average. He will soon be highly paid and average.

Nice copium

How should I view Jordan Love? Is he a future HOF player?

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Tall Midget

Post subject: Re: I'm Starting to Doubt Fields

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 9:48 am

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FavreFan wrote:

Brick wrote:

Love is just average. He will soon be highly paid and average.

Nice copium

Stop that.

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Post subject: Re: I'm Starting to Doubt Fields

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 10:40 am

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Brick wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Brick wrote:

Love is just average. He will soon be highly paid and average.

Nice copium

How should I view Jordan Love? Is he a future HOF player?

I don't know if he is a future HOFer, but if you're paying even a little bit of attention to the NFL this year you should view him as a franchise QB. Yes, we are going to pay him like one, no you will not enjoy it as much as you think.

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Post subject: Re: I'm Starting to Doubt Fields

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Tall Midget wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Brick wrote:

Love is just average. He will soon be highly paid and average.

Nice copium

Stop that.

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Post subject: Re: I'm Starting to Doubt Fields

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 10:44 am

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FavreFan wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Brick wrote:

Love is just average. He will soon be highly paid and average.

Nice copium

Stop that.

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Brick

Post subject: Re: I'm Starting to Doubt Fields

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 10:47 am

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FavreFan wrote:

Brick wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Brick wrote:

Love is just average. He will soon be highly paid and average.

Nice copium

How should I view Jordan Love? Is he a future HOF player?

Oh no. I'm shaking at the prospect of Jordan Love.

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veganfan21

Post subject: Re: I'm Starting to Doubt Fields

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 11:08 am

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I believe Love's passes often shake erratically as they veer off to the side of Doubs and Watson.

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FavreFan

Post subject: Re: I'm Starting to Doubt Fields

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 11:12 am

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Brick wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Brick wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Brick wrote:

Love is just average. He will soon be highly paid and average.

Nice copium

How should I view Jordan Love? Is he a future HOF player?

Oh no. I'm shaking at the prospect of Jordan Love.

This is a funny comment considering what happened in Week 1. Expect that to continue.

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Hawg Ass

Post subject: Re: I'm Starting to Doubt Fields

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 11:25 am

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veganfan21 wrote:

I believe Love's passes often shake erratically as they veer off to the side of Doubs and Watson.

That would mean Watson was on the field and we know that isn’t the case.

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BigW72

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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 11:36 am

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:

Jaw Breaker wrote:

Alex Smith is a good example.
Vinny Testaverde had some horrific years and ended his career as a pretty good QB.
Doug Flutie?

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FavreFan

Post subject: Re: I'm Starting to Doubt Fields

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BigW72 wrote:

This Ends in Antioch wrote:

Jaw Breaker wrote:

Alex Smith is a good example.
Vinny Testaverde had some horrific years and ended his career as a pretty good QB.
Doug Flutie?

Troy Aikman was awful the first couple years of his career

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Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 11:59 am

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Troy Aikman was always awful.

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Post subject: Re: I'm Starting to Doubt Fields

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 12:08 pm

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Jaw Breaker wrote:

Zaidman asking Mully for an example of someone who became a franchise QB after starting with an 8-27 record. Mully couldn’t think of anyone :lol:

Archie Manning (you didn't say a good franchise QB, but he was the Saints starter for more than a decade )

Looks like Arch's grandpa started 7-21-3

Manning started his career 16-51-3 before starting all 16 games for the Saints the next 4 seasons and 12 games the next season, before injury sidelined him. Saints traded him to Houston the next year, where Arch would go 0-for before finishing his career 0-for the Vikings.

Manning almost matched his record the 2nd half of his career, going 19-50 to finish his career 35-101-3

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Brick

Post subject: Re: I'm Starting to Doubt Fields

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 12:10 pm

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FavreFan wrote:

Brick wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Brick wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Brick wrote:

Love is just average. He will soon be highly paid and average.

Nice copium

How should I view Jordan Love? Is he a future HOF player?

Oh no. I'm shaking at the prospect of Jordan Love.

This is a funny comment considering what happened in Week 1. Expect that to continue.

Beating the team that just had the worst record in the league the year before is certainly impressive.

If the Bears continue to be terrible then Jordan Love will be a problem.

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Caller Bob

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Nas wrote:

Troy Aikman was always awful.

Different era

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Nas

Post subject: Re: I'm Starting to Doubt Fields

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 12:15 pm

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Caller Bob wrote:

Nas wrote:

Troy Aikman was always awful.

Different era

Was he 90's Terry Bradshaw?

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Post subject: Re: I'm Starting to Doubt Fields

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 12:36 pm

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Brick wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Brick wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Brick wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Nice copium

How should I view Jordan Love? Is he a future HOF player?

Oh no. I'm shaking at the prospect of Jordan Love.

This is a funny comment considering what happened in Week 1. Expect that to continue.

Beating the team that just had the worst record in the league the year before is certainly impressive.

If the Bears continue to be terrible then Jordan Love will be a problem.

Are you saying Love cant beat good teams? The Lions and Chiefs may disagree.

The Bears continuing to be terrible is one of the safest bets in sports though.

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Brick

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I'm saying I don't care that Love beat a terrible Bears team.

So now we are talking about QB Winz? :lol:

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Brick wrote:

I'm saying I don't care that Love beat a terrible Bears team.

So now we are talking about QB Winz? :lol:

You keep bringing up the topic, I just wanted to show that your "Love is only a problem if the Bears are terrible" point was wrong.

We can talk stats. I don't think you will fare much better there.

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Love can't even beat Tommy Daego and Baker Mayfield

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Caller Bob wrote:

:lol: Love can't even beat Tommy Daego and Baker Mayfield

This is why QB Winz is a dumb concept. Jimmy G is 43-20 lifetime. Love played great against TB, not his fault Green Bay has the worst DC in the NFL. He played bad against the Giants though.

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FavreFan wrote:

Brick wrote:

I'm saying I don't care that Love beat a terrible Bears team.

So now we are talking about QB Winz? :lol:

You keep bringing up the topic, I just wanted to show that your "Love is only a problem if the Bears are terrible" point was wrong.

We can talk stats. I don't think you will fare much better there.

There is not much worse way to build a franchise than to have a highly paid average quarterback. It almost always locks you into complete mediocrity. Compare that to the last 30 years of HOF QB play coming from the Packers and I think it's acceptable to think that the Bears can handle Jordan Love.

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Brick wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Brick wrote:

I'm saying I don't care that Love beat a terrible Bears team.

So now we are talking about QB Winz? :lol:

You keep bringing up the topic, I just wanted to show that your "Love is only a problem if the Bears are terrible" point was wrong.

We can talk stats. I don't think you will fare much better there.

There is not much worse way to build a franchise than to have a highly paid average quarterback. It almost always locks you into complete mediocrity.

This is true, but Jordan Love isn't average. He's already playing like a top 10 QB in his first year as a starter with the youngest offense in NFL history around him.

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