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Not this year. His line is average at worst.

Only Lamar and Russ hold the ball longer before throwing. He doesn’t anticipate, he sees guys open and throws. Same thing Cutty did.


He's been under more duress from the snap thus game than you'd see from Brady or Brees or even Mahomes.


You have to be trolling. He's had a good 5 seconds to pass on nearly every dropback today. Brady and Brees could process quickly; Fields can't. His biggest supporters generally concede that.


They took 3 step drops and he takes 5-7 step drops. And guys with his scrambling ability have always been taught to hold the ball longer. That's hardly just a Justin Fields thing.

His pockets has collapsed more in 2 years than Brady and Brees did in 20.


Are you running it back?

I'm very clear eyed on Fields' limitations, but if you can get Marvin Harrison, Jr., an edge rusher and a center, (without looking closely) it seems like we are healthy enough cap-wise to absorb his cap it without crippling the organization. More than happy to be punched in the face for this take. I'm about to do it myself.


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Are you running it back?

I'm very clear eyed on Fields' limitations, but if you can get Marvin Harrison, Jr., an edge rusher and a center, (without looking closely) it seems like we are healthy enough cap-wise to absorb his cap it without crippling the organization. More than happy to be punched in the face for this take. I'm about to do it myself.
It's not really about the cap hit as much as it is - how good do you think Fields is or will be? If he's top 12-15 and the rest of the team is star filled, then that may be good enough. If he's below that, then their peak is probably an above average team that usually makes the play-offs but never makes a SB.

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Are you running it back?


I can see the argument for it. Trade down slightly to 2-3 for 3 first round picks. Draft Harrison. Continue with two first rounders three years in row, which gives you a chance to kick the fan down the road while fields is still cheap

As for me, I think I’d move him if I can get a 25 one and a 24 two


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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Sneakers O'Toole wrote:
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Are you running it back?

I'm very clear eyed on Fields' limitations, but if you can get Marvin Harrison, Jr., an edge rusher and a center, (without looking closely) it seems like we are healthy enough cap-wise to absorb his cap it without crippling the organization. More than happy to be punched in the face for this take. I'm about to do it myself.
It's not really about the cap hit as much as it is: how good do you think Fields is or will be? If he's top 12-15 and the rest of the team is star filled, then that may be good enough. If he's below that, then their peak is probably an above average team that usually makes the play-offs but never makes a SB.


He's still around the 20th to 25th ranked quarterback. I would move on from him, but I'll trust Poles. He's been right more than he's been wrong.

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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
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Are you running it back?

I'm very clear eyed on Fields' limitations, but if you can get Marvin Harrison, Jr., an edge rusher and a center, (without looking closely) it seems like we are healthy enough cap-wise to absorb his cap it without crippling the organization. More than happy to be punched in the face for this take. I'm about to do it myself.
It's not really about the cap hit as much as it is - how good do you think Fields is or will be? If he's top 12-15 and the rest of the team is star filled, then that may be good enough. If he's below that, then their peak is probably an above average team that usually makes the play-offs but never makes a SB.

I believe Brick would disagree with you (HOF/rookie contract or bust), but I think he can be top 15-ish. If everything else falls into place, maybe that can work? I probably just have rebuild fatigue.


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Sneakers O'Toole wrote:
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Are you running it back?

I'm very clear eyed on Fields' limitations, but if you can get Marvin Harrison, Jr., an edge rusher and a center, (without looking closely) it seems like we are healthy enough cap-wise to absorb his cap it without crippling the organization. More than happy to be punched in the face for this take. I'm about to do it myself.
It's not really about the cap hit as much as it is - how good do you think Fields is or will be? If he's top 12-15 and the rest of the team is star filled, then that may be good enough. If he's below that, then their peak is probably an above average team that usually makes the play-offs but never makes a SB.

I believe Brick would disagree with you (HOF/rookie contract or bust), but I think he can be top 15-ish. If everything else falls into place, maybe that can work? I probably just have rebuild fatigue.


I think the rebuild is essentially over. That's with or without Fields.

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Nas wrote:
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Are you running it back?

I'm very clear eyed on Fields' limitations, but if you can get Marvin Harrison, Jr., an edge rusher and a center, (without looking closely) it seems like we are healthy enough cap-wise to absorb his cap it without crippling the organization. More than happy to be punched in the face for this take. I'm about to do it myself.
It's not really about the cap hit as much as it is - how good do you think Fields is or will be? If he's top 12-15 and the rest of the team is star filled, then that may be good enough. If he's below that, then their peak is probably an above average team that usually makes the play-offs but never makes a SB.

I believe Brick would disagree with you (HOF/rookie contract or bust), but I think he can be top 15-ish. If everything else falls into place, maybe that can work? I probably just have rebuild fatigue.


I think the rebuild is essentially over. That's with or without Fields.

If you can somehow finagle a first for Fields, I'd take it. If you draft a new QB, it's kinda sorta rebuilding? Especially if you're cleaning house with the coaching staff? I don't follow college football closely, but from reading posts here (which pretty much makes me an expert), Williams does not seem like a leader of men, so that leaves Mayes. I don't know, just seems like using that hgh draft pick on a non-QB might be the best move. If the Bears leave lose next week, I will obviously disavow all of these posts.


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As long as the Bears continue to play a last place schedule full of Commanders and Panthers and Falcons and Vikings teams starting 5th string QB's who complete more passes to the defense than their own team and a .500 on the road with a QB who is 0-∞ on grass division rival and other disaster teams, Fields will find W's.


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All of this only matters if the Bears believe someone in this draft is capable of winning a Super Bowl. Fields is still really cheap for next year and not too expensive if they pick up his option.

At this point the defense is close to Super Bowl caliber, and they have enough cap space and draft capital to improve the offense significantly.

I am in shock at how much better this team looks. I would trade Fields, but my caveat is the first sentence of this post.

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If Fields were even a league average QB, Bears already make the playoffs with this weak-sauce schedule they played this season.

Good news for the Bear is that after they book-end the season with losses to Green Bay next week, they'll finish in last place in the division again and again have a last place schedule next season.


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If Fields were even a league average QB, Bears already make the playoffs with this weak-sauce schedule they played this season.

Good news for the Bear is that after they book-end the season with losses to Green Bay next week, they'll finish in last place in the division again and again have a last place schedule next season.


Agreed. I do not believe Fields is the guy. But I would rather have MHJ (closest to a sure thing) than a QB like Caleb if there are lots of questions about him- height, attitude,etc.

If the scouts are confident about one of the QB’s in the draft, then go for it.

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Nas wrote:
Sneakers O'Toole wrote:
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Are you running it back?

I'm very clear eyed on Fields' limitations, but if you can get Marvin Harrison, Jr., an edge rusher and a center, (without looking closely) it seems like we are healthy enough cap-wise to absorb his cap it without crippling the organization. More than happy to be punched in the face for this take. I'm about to do it myself.
It's not really about the cap hit as much as it is - how good do you think Fields is or will be? If he's top 12-15 and the rest of the team is star filled, then that may be good enough. If he's below that, then their peak is probably an above average team that usually makes the play-offs but never makes a SB.

I believe Brick would disagree with you (HOF/rookie contract or bust), but I think he can be top 15-ish. If everything else falls into place, maybe that can work? I probably just have rebuild fatigue.


I think the rebuild is essentially over. That's with or without Fields.


If the rebuild is over then there is no way you can look to go into next season with a rookie as your starter.

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It definitely feels like things are trending in the direction of bringing everyone back.

Don't like that.

But if they do that, they better come out of the draft with Harrison Jr.

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It definitely feels like things are trending in the direction of bringing everyone back.

Don't like that.

But if they do that, they better come out of the draft with Harrison Jr.


I would be cautiously optimistic. Look at the quarterbacks they've beaten. Hell, look at some of the quarterbacks they've lost to. Lots of suckage. You can't count on being this lucky every year.

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The question is whether they can win because of or in spite of Fields. Even his defenders argue that he needs ideal surroundings to be a winning QB.

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Odd that Atlanta played man on Moore so much, they obviously did not fear Fields as a passer.


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It definitely feels like things are trending in the direction of bringing everyone back.

Don't like that.

But if they do that, they better come out of the draft with Harrison Jr.


I would be cautiously optimistic. Look at the quarterbacks they've beaten. Hell, look at some of the quarterbacks they've lost to. Lots of suckage. You can't count on being this lucky every year.

Theyve played the statistically easiest schedule in the league this year .

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Odd that Atlanta played man on Moore so much, they obviously did not fear Fields as a passer.

Any D coord that goes against the Bears and doesn’t double Moore , spy Fields every play is an idiot .

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It definitely feels like things are trending in the direction of bringing everyone back.

Don't like that.

But if they do that, they better come out of the draft with Harrison Jr.


I would be cautiously optimistic. Look at the quarterbacks they've beaten. Hell, look at some of the quarterbacks they've lost to. Lots of suckage. You can't count on being this lucky every year.

Theyve played the statistically easiest schedule in the league this year .


It's why I would fire everyone and draft a quarterback. At minimum, Eberflus cost the Bears 3 wins.

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Nevermind. Packers vikings needs to be a tie or else bears are eliminated


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If Fields were even a league average QB, Bears already make the playoffs with this weak-sauce schedule they played this season.

Good news for the Bear is that after they book-end the season with losses to Green Bay next week, they'll finish in last place in the division again and again have a last place schedule next season.


Agreed. I do not believe Fields is the guy. But I would rather have MHJ (closest to a sure thing) than a QB like Caleb if there are lots of questions about him- height, attitude,etc.

If the scouts are confident about one of the QB’s in the draft, then go for it.


Absofuckinglutely.

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The season proved to be a good one for the Bears all around. They suffered alot with bad injuries and clubhouse trouble with their coaching staff and players. But credit to Eberflus for straightening the defense out and turning it into one of the best in football/

I predicted about a .500 team and was please with how they finished. And locking up the number one pick will be huge for next season's play-off hunt.

They need to trade the number one pick and go with a top notch receiver and a TE/R as well as top corner or safety and a offensive tackle with their first four picks.

I still would love harbaugh as the coach but would settle for keeping Eberflus if they replaced Getzy.

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billypootons wrote:
Nevermind. Packers vikings needs to be a tie or else bears are eliminated

I thought Bears were out with Rams’ win?

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Bears still <1% chance of playoffs/Super Bowl on the New York Times (which I think is 538 now? Or is 538 now with ESPN or indy) playoff simulator prediction thingamajig:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... cture.html

teams completely eliminated have 0's


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Minooka Meatball wrote:
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If Fields were even a league average QB, Bears already make the playoffs with this weak-sauce schedule they played this season.

Good news for the Bear is that after they book-end the season with losses to Green Bay next week, they'll finish in last place in the division again and again have a last place schedule next season.


Agreed. I do not believe Fields is the guy. But I would rather have MHJ (closest to a sure thing) than a QB like Caleb if there are lots of questions about him- height, attitude,etc.

If the scouts are confident about one of the QB’s in the draft, then go for it.


Absofuckinglutely.



Caleb Williams gives me Baker Mayfield II vibes. Mayfield's renaissance season hitting a speed bump today against the Saints. Although I think if the Bucs beat Panthers next weekend they take the putrid NFC South and get the 4 seed.


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Hussra wrote:
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Hussra wrote:
If Fields were even a league average QB, Bears already make the playoffs with this weak-sauce schedule they played this season.

Good news for the Bear is that after they book-end the season with losses to Green Bay next week, they'll finish in last place in the division again and again have a last place schedule next season.


Agreed. I do not believe Fields is the guy. But I would rather have MHJ (closest to a sure thing) than a QB like Caleb if there are lots of questions about him- height, attitude,etc.

If the scouts are confident about one of the QB’s in the draft, then go for it.


Absofuckinglutely.



Caleb Williams gives me Baker Mayfield II vibes. Mayfield's renaissance season hitting a speed bump today against the Saints. Although I think if the Bucs beat Panthers next weekend they take the putrid NFC South and get the 4 seed.


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