Yep, if there is a bit of competition then I could see the a 2nd rd pick coming into play. A 1st (particularly a high 1st) could get a guy fired though.

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I understand that Fields isn't the only option for the Falcons. He may very well be the best option for the Falcons.

As good dolphin pointed out, they can keep him for two more years. So, it's like $5 million next year and $21 million in year 5. That's really cheap for a two year tryout. Maybe they give him a contract extension modeled off Geno Smith's deal. I think they also can have him tagged for an extra year which seems pretty common.

It's not likely but if the Falcons don't want to build around the 4th or 5th best QB in the league they may be willing to see how 3 years of Fields works out.

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This is not an argument against what brick is saying, I'm just saying I can't wrap my mind around someone looking at the 23rd ranked QB 40 games into his career who's already 3rd or 4th ALL TIME in sacks in Bears history and saying "yeah I'll take him over some raw rookie".

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If Fields could fetch the 8th overall pick, he wouldn't be traded in the first place. Kiper should be fired for even suggesting this stupid theory.

wasn't he drafted at #9? And he hasn't done anything better than we expected. He runs well. Not a great endorsement for a FUCKING QUARTERBACK

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It was certainly closed last year with a 17th ranked QB. So are you saying the "lack of" the 26th pick cost them two super bowls?

there's also the matter of the #8 pick they'd be giving up...

He WOULDN"T be traded if the Bears didn't have the #1 pick during a year in which many think there is a generational QB.

As I've already written, if the best qb talent in the draft was similar to that of the Pickett year, Fields would be the Bears starter next year. If the Bears only had #9, Fields would be the Bears starter next year.

Kiper said it a second time. Maybe he's pulling it out of his ass.

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are you of the opinion that 1) Atlanta wouldn't consider him an affimative choice and 2) no other team would be in the bidding if the Bears make him availalbe?

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if the best I'm getting offered is Atlanta's second rounder, I'd give New England a call and see how they'd like Fields for a their second. They aren't getting Williams/Maye under any scenario (other than them trading a boatload of needed capital to move to #1). This allows them to take Harrison or the best LT at #3 and still have a dynamic QB on a for a reasonable salary at a paltry price.

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I think Fields would be an improvement over their current mess but not enough of a difference to warrant a high pick. I would also guess that there will be other teams interested in Fields, but none want him so badly that the bidding will get into the 1st rd. If I'm the Falcons and it started to trend that way I would rather sign Russell Wilson or some other old but serviceable FA and then draft Daniels or Penix to sit on the bench for a year.

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Half of chicago blames the Bears coaching for Fields problems. Certainly there are people around the league doing the same.

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Yeah, Mel Kiper. I think most GM's immediately dismiss his thoughts.

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I assume that Kiper's angle is that Ryan Pace will have enough sway in Atlanta to overvalue Fields.

Somebody on Reddit went through and analyzed all the trades of a QB for draft pick(s) in the last couple of decades. The closest comps to Fields were Sam Darnold for a 2nd, and Carson Wentz the second time he was traded, for a pair of 3rds.

I think that a fair deal is Fields for a high second (33-43) this year and a conditional 2026 third based on whether Fields is extended or franchised and thus still on the roster at the beginning of the 2026 league year. So a little more than both Darnold and Wentz.

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Also, I’ve been thinking a lot about pennix. I’ve got pennix on the brain

I don’t think the evaluation season is going to be kind to him. I presume he will be red flagged by at least half the teams for his physical. He may not be completely off boards but he will be will be as any early pick. I’ve changed my view on him and think he falls and keeps falling.

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Penix in the Natty against that murderous Wolverine defense is some of the worst final tape before draft ever (in terms of the delta btw expectations going in and actual performance)

Ignore that last game and a handful of games in the middle of the 2023 Husky season and Penix is competing for 1st overall.

Now it'll depend on how QB-desperate teams in the middle 1st round are. I would guess there are more desperate QB teams than not; so if Penix can have a good showing at the combine and not have horror-show medicals, Penix could still be 4th QB off the board and still go in the 1st round.

Bad combine/ bad medicals for Penix + good combine for McCarthy, JJ McCarthy leap-frogs Penix into late first round/2nd and Penix falls to 4th round+--take a flyer on damaged goods pick.

As awful as Penix was in the Michigan game, he actually posted the 2nd most yards against that Michigan defense this season.

Passing Yards posted by the starting QB this past season against Michigan's defense:

80
100
91
180 (garbage time padding in blowout loss)
199 (ditto, 45-7 loss)
52
52
101
144
70
247 (Donny's brother)
271 (McCord)
120
116 (Milroe)
255 (Penix)

so Penix' effort against a super-stingy Michigan defense better than most. Also, Husky RB played injured against Michigan,

Be useful to have Caleb WIlliams/Drake Maye/Jayden Daniels play against this past season's Michigan defense to benchmark; but I would think Williams escapability/improv skills (yes-and motherfucker) would have allowed Williams to do more damage against any college defense. Dunno how that'll translate to NFL with Williams habit of not playing within an offense vs, say, a Michigan system QB or Maye.

The dumbest poster here not being sold on Caleb Williams checks out completely

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Why aren't you sold on Caleb Williams?

Dunno if it helps or hurts CB's argument, but Booger McFarland makes the same comparison on the most recent Russillo pod. McFarland thinks Bears should keep Fields, but only pay him for the 5th year w.out extending AND draft Williams. Although claiming that Bryce Young sucked this season because he didn't get to sit behind Andy Dalton for a few games doesn't help his argument much. Isn't that what Fields did? Bryce Young's main problem is he's too damn short to see over the o-line. Maybe the Panthers could give Young a step stool 5 yards back to jump up on to make his throws.

Parkins’ theory is that a draft pick this year is more valuable than the same pick next year, so if Fields is worth a 2nd now, maybe Poles can get Atlanta to give up their first round pick for 2025.

And then when Fields runs them into the ground, the Bears will get the #1 overall for the third straight year!

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if you have the option between 2025 1st round pick and a 2026 1st round pick, you take the latter/Arch year. Tho by then Carl Williams/Caleb's dad may have broken the draft and these guys will come out of college free-agents.

That was the other potential downside to drafting Caleb McFarland mentioned, the Lavar Ball category parent.

I do like JB's strategy to send Fields to sabotage some other perennially mediocre franchise and maybe get a top 3 overall pick out of Fields fucking up their shit.

Even if you don't land the 1st overall in 2026, having multiple 1st rounders puts a team in a better position to maybe buy it from a SF/Chiefs/Texans/Chargers/Bills/other team with a franchise QB who gets injured for a season and tanks their way to the 2026 first overall. About the lone scenario anyone would trade out of the 1st overall; unless Arch pulls an Eli and refuses to report to whatever team lands it.

It only comes down to the fact that you fail to understand that Fields had no offensive line in front of him for two years and terrible receivers.

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You have no idea if that's true or not. Even if they didn't launch him this offseason, they wouldn't sign him to an extension or keep him around for a fifth year.

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I don't want Williams, he seems too similar to Fields.. just smaller. I'd trade back with both picks, hopefully get Harrison or Alt with first pick... best available with second pick ... Penix in the 2nd round.

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And yet the Bears ranked 5th in pass block win rate and Fields held the ball for the longest time on average amongst all quarterbacks. "the line sucks" = fake news in 2023.


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This is where Irish Boy would come in with the stone soup analogy. Rest In Power King.

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You have no idea if that's true. I'd say it's highly likely they would invoke the 5th year option if they stuck with him for a 4th.

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