The Sox have 2 lefties already...I'd rather Buehrle and Danks.

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But Derrek Lee is only a .263 hitter in the postseason with one HR in 95 bats. But you want to keep him?

are you kidding? That's a rather poor argument when you take into effect that Lee had the best postseason of any Cubs hitter in 2008 and if the other 7 position players had hit as well as him, the Cubs likely would have been in the World Series. I'm sure you can come up with a better argument against me than that, my friend...

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1 run scored, 0 RBI for Lee. So if the other guys had a few singles, but a grand total 7 runs scored and 0 RBI they would make the World Series?

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I'm sure you know the answer to your statement already, Frank but if everyone on the Cubs had hit .585, Lee has a few more RBI's and perhaps even he himself gets batted in, resulting in more RS. Even if half the team hits that, they've got a puncher's chance.

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You dodged my question. What good is a .585 avg when you have 1 run scored and ZERO rbis?

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you keep bringing the fact that guys like Soriano, Dempster, Lilly wilt under the playoff pressure and that you wouldn't mind the Cubs getting rid of them. Fine.

So I brought up Lee's entire playoff career, not just cherry picking three games. In Lee's entire playoff career he has a grand total of ONE homerun and 8 RBI in 95 AB. Not exactly Mr. October.

I can cherry pick too. Lilly threw 9 scoreless innings in the 2003 postseason, so I guess your argument that Lilly is not a playoff pitcher is wrong then.

Frank, RBI's come when PEOPLE ARE ON BASE.
Runs Scored come MAINLY FROM PEOPLE HITTING YOU IN...
The rest of the Cubs were unable to get on base OR hit anyone else in. Hence, next to nothing on the RS or RBI cats. He did his job-not one other player (other than a weak opp. field HR that would have been a F-9 most days) did anything.

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.265 avg. for Lee in postseason
6.61 ERA for Lilly in postseason-even with the 9 scoreless innings.

I'd say Lee's the better playoff performer. Not to mention I'm more interested in "what have you done for me lately."

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As enigma pointed out, he has 1 HR and 8 RBI in 95 at bats. That translates to about 6 homeruns and 40 RBI if you were to take that production thru an entire season.

Best Cub hitter in '08 playoffs, tallest midget. Not to mention, his error in the field that allowed runs to score. So he gave up more than he drove in and scored combined.

But he's great right? Send him to Cooperstown right?

And if you really are interested in "what have you done for me lately", you have no room to defend ANY Cub player or coach.

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.265 avg. for Lee in postseason
6.61 ERA for Lilly in postseason-even with the 9 scoreless innings.

I'd say Lee's the better playoff performer. Not to mention I'm more interested in "what have you done for me lately."[/quote]

Hate to quote the Hawk, but (and I am paraphrasing)

"Don't tell me what you hit, just when you hit"

A .265 BA with only 8 RBI in nearly 100 AB seems to indicate a lot of meaningless hits. And when Lee had a chance to drive in a runner that was in scoring position in game 2 in the first inning(when the Cubs could have gained momentum) Lee struck out. Of course then he had that error the next inning which basically killed the Cubs in game 2. So excuse me if I was not enamored with Lee's playoff showing.

I can't believe I'm defending my points periodically with an avowed Sox fan. Tallest midget talk is pointless. .585 was his average, this is a great average and IF EVERYONE HITS .585, LEE HAS MORE THAN 1 RBI AND 0 RS. Counter that specific argument, please. And I'm not defending any Cubs player or coach other than Lee. Read my previous posts if you're not sure. You'll find a steady defense for Lee throughout the regular season and playoffs, and a general disdain for EVERYONE ELSE. It's almost like I saw this coming...wait, I did...I predicted the Cubs sweep on B&B (I know you don't care or listen, just wanted to state my proof that I saw this coming) and I was proven right. Lee is no superstar. But again, if everyone else hits like him in the first series, the Cubs are going up against the Phillies. And then they'd have been beat.

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Hate to quote the Hawk, but (and I am paraphrasing)

"Don't tell me what you hit, just when you hit"

A .265 BA with only 8 RBI in nearly 100 AB seems to indicate a lot of meaningless hits. And when Lee had a chance to drive in a runner that was in scoring position in game 2 in the first inning(when the Cubs could have gained momentum) Lee struck out. Of course then he had that error the next inning which basically killed the Cubs in game 2. So excuse me if I was not enamored with Lee's playoff showing.[/quote]
"when you hit" This is a solid quote...the only problem is there was no "time to hit" since no one other than Lee was on! His LOB was no different than anyone else...Lee will be Cubs property next year. We'll agree to disagree until 2009's showing, since the Cubs will almost certainly be in the playoffs and almost certainly (barring major aquisitions) bowing out early again...

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I find it hard to believe that over 95 playoff at bats, that he was rarely up with runners on base. 8 RBI in 95 ABs is pitiful.

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Frank, I understand the wisdom of career numbers...I just happen to be concerned with the most recent collapse (and not that concerned at that, since again I figured them to get swept)

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But you're using his career numbers as defense. Lets even take away the 12 or 15 at bats he had this postseason. That means he's had 8 RBI in 80 (or so) career playoff at bats. Thats still fucking terrible, and about as un-clutch as you can get.

You say if the Cubs hit better, Lee would have had more RBIs. Yet prior to '08, he had a mere 8 RBIs in 80some odd playoff at bats. I refuse to believe that he was up 55 or 60 of those times with nobody on. Yet he mustered up only 8 RBI. So, how is he a great playoff hitter again?

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we could go back and forth on this, but I don't see anyone outside of Texiera out there that's better. And the Cubs are certainly not getting him. They need to worry more about a good lefthanded bat who can help shore up the middle and their pitching staff which was sorry yet again.

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8 RBI in 95 AB is terrible. Making a run scoring error when your strength is defense is terrible. Lee is clearly on the downside.

we'll see...I'm not saying he should be a #3 hitter, mind you...but they got him for nothing, and he's certainly no worse than their third best hitter. Ramierez & Soriano, the other two big hitters have great regular seasons (well in Soriano's case that's not even true) but Lee does show up in the playoffs. The Cubs will not win the WS with Soriano leading off. I'd say fairly confidently that they won't win a WS with Soriano starting either...

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8 RBI in 95 at bats is showing up. I guess I would just expect more out of my #3 hitter, but then again I'm not a Cubs fan.

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I dont think after re signing him you can reference getting him for nothing (choi) anymore
and imo Soto Soriano and Ramirez are all more better hitters.

Ramierez-regular season, certainly
Soto-small sample size but ok...
Soriano-NO WAY. Gets hot maybe 2 months out of the total season, is an absolute loss any other time and is a horrible defensive left fielder.

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