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Guess it's time to go see Kyle Davidson again.


In the next days and weeks, Poles went to work figuring out exactly what opportunities could come from having the top pick. As he put his analytics team to work, he also decided that an ideal trade would involve draft picks and a player.

Poles needed help — or maybe just some advice from a friend in town. So he called Blackhawks general manager Kyle Davidson.

“Really, hockey is the only one where you’re trading a combination of picks and players,” Poles said. “So I just was curious.”

He had plenty of questions about how the Blackhawks valued players against picks, how contracts and age played into the equation, etc. Davidson started laughing.

“He’s like, ‘It’s a challenge,'” Poles recalled.


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Guess it's time to go see Kyle Davidson again.


In the next days and weeks, Poles went to work figuring out exactly what opportunities could come from having the top pick. As he put his analytics team to work, he also decided that an ideal trade would involve draft picks and a player.

Poles needed help — or maybe just some advice from a friend in town. So he called Blackhawks general manager Kyle Davidson.

“Really, hockey is the only one where you’re trading a combination of picks and players,” Poles said. “So I just was curious.”

He had plenty of questions about how the Blackhawks valued players against picks, how contracts and age played into the equation, etc. Davidson started laughing.

“He’s like, ‘It’s a challenge,'” Poles recalled.


I find it concerning that he has an analytics department when all he really needs is a subscription to Keyshawn Johnson's podcast

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Guess it's time to go see Kyle Davidson again.


In the next days and weeks, Poles went to work figuring out exactly what opportunities could come from having the top pick. As he put his analytics team to work, he also decided that an ideal trade would involve draft picks and a player.

Poles needed help — or maybe just some advice from a friend in town. So he called Blackhawks general manager Kyle Davidson.

“Really, hockey is the only one where you’re trading a combination of picks and players,” Poles said. “So I just was curious.”

He had plenty of questions about how the Blackhawks valued players against picks, how contracts and age played into the equation, etc. Davidson started laughing.

“He’s like, ‘It’s a challenge,'” Poles recalled.


I find it concerning that he has an analytics department when all he really needs is a subscription to Keyshawn Johnson's podcast

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Am I just imagining things or is there a pattern with the guys at the top of that list and their teams making the playoffs...hmmm


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If you want to debate all of the QBs out there, feel free to start another dumb thread.
Then shouldn't it be in the "wheelhouse" of a dude known as "Simple Frank" around here? Just Asking Question. If it one thing George Gervin knew, it was how to "Finger Roll". And conversely, if it is one thing that "Simple Frank" displays great ignorance with, its anything that requires "higher order thinking".
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I thought Michael Jordan formally killed the idea that ex-star athletes know anything about talent evaluation.

If its Keyshawn Johnson or a bunch of CFMB posters who live to "troll" and do nothing but engage in "consensus" speak all the time, then I'm rolling with Keyshawn every day of the week. Particularly given that he happens to be trashing a guy from his own college as he is doing the "analyzing". You dudes don't even have the "courage" to state that Jorr or anyone else of a "like mind" is wrong even when its evident that they are.


I could give you a page of non csfmb posters who think highly of williams.
And 70% of Chicago thinks highly of Fields and want the Bears to retain him. Strangely they are referred by the CSFMB football gurus affectionately as the "Fields Cult" while they ironically speaking, believe that they are "objective" football fans.


What "objective" data do you have to support the idea that Fields is good?


In a great number of stretches he has been good. Particularly so prior to the injury. And in terms of pure talent, he is easily one of the most talented QBs in the league. Cannon for an arm. Running ability and size. To me that suggests that he is good and will get better once he receives better coaching and another receiver. That is why it is very easy to make silly statements such as "need to move on", but not easy to decide whether he is worse than THE No.1 overall draft pick in the league.

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
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I thought Michael Jordan formally killed the idea that ex-star athletes know anything about talent evaluation.

If its Keyshawn Johnson or a bunch of CFMB posters who live to "troll" and do nothing but engage in "consensus" speak all the time, then I'm rolling with Keyshawn every day of the week. Particularly given that he happens to be trashing a guy from his own college as he is doing the "analyzing". You dudes don't even have the "courage" to state that Jorr or anyone else of a "like mind" is wrong even when its evident that they are.


I could give you a page of non csfmb posters who think highly of williams.
And 70% of Chicago thinks highly of Fields and want the Bears to retain him. Strangely they are referred by the CSFMB football gurus affectionately as the "Fields Cult" while they ironically speaking, believe that they are "objective" football fans.


What "objective" data do you have to support the idea that Fields is good?


In a great number of stretches he has been good. Particularly so prior to the injury. And in terms of pure talent, he is easily one of the most talented QBs in the league. Cannon for an arm. Running ability and size. To me that suggests that he is good and will get better once he receives better coaching and another receiver. That is why it is very easy to make silly statements such as "need to move on", but not easy to decide whether he is worse than THE No.1 overall draft pick in the league.


He was actually better after the injury :lol:

what criteria are you using to say he was "good" for stretches. eye test? Keyshawn Johnson tweets?

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He was actually better after the injury :lol:

In the 2 games prior to injury he had a QB Rating of 132 and 125. He also threw for a combined 8 TDs and 1 int. He never came close to either stat at any point after that.
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what criteria are you using to say he was "good" for stretches. eye test? Keyshawn Johnson tweets?
And yet Keyshawn Johnson had no problem ascertaining who the better QB of the 2 happens to be. And I'm also sure that he knew Fields played extremely well right before the injury. Unlike you. The Self Anointed "Football Guru" :lol: :lol: :lol:

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So he actually played five games prior to the injury. Why are you just focusing on two? :lol:

Those two games were actually great performances, but since there so few great performances, your cherrypicking in this thread isn't really helping you out.

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That's some "cult" by the way.

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86% of Chicago Bears Fans Want Justin Fields to Return in 2024
By BVM Sportsdesk, 01/06/2024
86% of Chicago Bears fans want Justin Fields to return in 2024 after a fantastic game against the Falcons, showing increased support from previous polls.

Why It Matters
The overwhelming support for Fields signifies a strong fan preference for his continuity as the Bears' quarterback, highlighting the significance of his performance and potential impact on the team's direction.

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86% of Chicago Bears fans want Justin Fields to return in 2024
70% of fans expressed the same desire after a previous game
89% of fans believe the franchise is on the right track

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So he actually played five games prior to the injury. Why are you just focusing on two?

The 2 games immediately prior to injury. Definitely not relevant while discussing something "prior to injury".

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veganfan21 wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
If its Keyshawn Johnson or a bunch of CFMB posters who live to "troll" and do nothing but engage in "consensus" speak all the time, then I'm rolling with Keyshawn every day of the week. Particularly given that he happens to be trashing a guy from his own college as he is doing the "analyzing". You dudes don't even have the "courage" to state that Jorr or anyone else of a "like mind" is wrong even when its evident that they are.


I could give you a page of non csfmb posters who think highly of williams.
And 70% of Chicago thinks highly of Fields and want the Bears to retain him. Strangely they are referred by the CSFMB football gurus affectionately as the "Fields Cult" while they ironically speaking, believe that they are "objective" football fans.


What "objective" data do you have to support the idea that Fields is good?


In a great number of stretches he has been good. Particularly so prior to the injury. And in terms of pure talent, he is easily one of the most talented QBs in the league. Cannon for an arm. Running ability and size. To me that suggests that he is good and will get better once he receives better coaching and another receiver. That is why it is very easy to make silly statements such as "need to move on", but not easy to decide whether he is worse than THE No.1 overall draft pick in the league.


He was actually better after the injury :lol:

what criteria are you using to say he was "good" for stretches. eye test? Keyshawn Johnson tweets?
Well LTG also claimed JLove's "numbers actually got progressively worse (and not better) as the season went along." Between his evaluations of PAW, Fields & Love it makes you wonder if there is a gas leak in his home.

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CFMB Football Gurus: The choice isn't between Justin Fields and Caleb Williams
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Well LTG also claimed JLove's "numbers actually got progressively worse (and not better) as the season went along." Between his evaluations of PAW, Fields & Love it makes you wonder if there is a gas leak in his home.



Ouch. That's the kind of resume only Hornets owner Michael Jordan can appreciate

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So he actually played five games prior to the injury. Why are you just focusing on two?

The 2 games immediately prior to injury. Definitely not relevant while discussing something "prior to injury".


Are you saying we should only use those two games to evaluate Fields?

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Fields doesn't get injured, Bears win how many more games?

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Well LTG also claimed JLove's "numbers actually got progressively worse (and not better) as the season went along." Between his evaluations of PAW, Fields & Love it makes you wonder if there is a gas leak in his home.


86% of Bears fans want Fields to return. 10 posters on CFMB do not. Essentially says all that needs to be said doesn't it?

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If Fields doesn't get injured, Bears pick up at least 2 more W's going into week 18 v GB. Bears prolly make the playoffs instead of Love and the Packers. Bears easily beat Cowgirls 1st round. Fields already taken out Niners before, so easy W there. Then it's Lions-Bears this weekend, LIKE IT WAS FREAKING SUPPOSED TO BE!


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So he actually played five games prior to the injury. Why are you just focusing on two?

The 2 games immediately prior to injury. Definitely not relevant while discussing something "prior to injury".


Are you saying we should only use those two games to evaluate Fields?

Definitely illustrates that he played very well "in stretches" Perhaps Keyshawn can explain exactly what that means. As well as "prior to injury" while he is at it.

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That's some "cult" by the way.

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86% of Chicago Bears Fans Want Justin Fields to Return in 2024
By BVM Sportsdesk, 01/06/2024
86% of Chicago Bears fans want Justin Fields to return in 2024 after a fantastic game against the Falcons, showing increased support from previous polls.

Why It Matters
The overwhelming support for Fields signifies a strong fan preference for his continuity as the Bears' quarterback, highlighting the significance of his performance and potential impact on the team's direction.

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86% of Chicago Bears fans want Justin Fields to return in 2024
70% of fans expressed the same desire after a previous game
89% of fans believe the franchise is on the right track


So we finally found out who littered the city with all these "Keep H1M" signs.

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
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So he actually played five games prior to the injury. Why are you just focusing on two?

The 2 games immediately prior to injury. Definitely not relevant while discussing something "prior to injury".


Are you saying we should only use those two games to evaluate Fields?

Definitely illustrates that he played very well "in stretches" Perhaps Keyshawn can explain exactly what that means. As well as "prior to injury" while he is at it.


I am anxiously waiting for Keyshawn to finish dinner with his family so I can get his thoughts on Mark Buehrle's HOF candidacy. In the meantime I want to point out that you've praised 2 games out of the 12 Fields played. Are you saying he played well 16% of the time this season?

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Well LTG also claimed JLove's "numbers actually got progressively worse (and not better) as the season went along." Between his evaluations of PAW, Fields & Love it makes you wonder if there is a gas leak in his home.


86% of Bears fans want Fields to return. 10 posters on CFMB do not. Essentially says all that needs to be said doesn't it?

I'm not sure what you're getting at. Do you mean that the majority fan opinion should matter? What % think PAW is any good?

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. Do you mean that the majority fan opinion should matter? What % think PAW is any good?
in short. HELL YEAH. A helluva lot more than the Caller Bobs and the Vegans of the world does. And so does Keyshawn Johnson's by the way.

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. Do you mean that the majority fan opinion should matter? What % think PAW is any good?
in short. HELL YEAH. A helluva lot more than the Caller Bobs and the Vegans of the world does.


I agree. Millions of Americans think the election was stolen in 2020. I commend LTG for standing with them on the basis of public opinion.

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. Do you mean that the majority fan opinion should matter? What % think PAW is any good?
in short. HELL YEAH. A helluva lot more than the Caller Bobs and the Vegans of the world does.


I agree. Millions of Americans think the election was stolen in 2020. I commend LTG for standing with them on the basis of public opinion.


86% of them don't

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Not true. 68% of Republican voters think it was stolen. Quite substantial. But again I credit you for standing side by side with them even though I don't agree with guys like you who think it was stolen.

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As "WE" have seen. Its Best for the Bears to "move on". To Tyson Bagent.

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So he actually played five games prior to the injury. Why are you just focusing on two?

The 2 games immediately prior to injury. Definitely not relevant while discussing something "prior to injury".


Are you saying we should only use those two games to evaluate Fields?

Definitely illustrates that he played very well "in stretches" Perhaps Keyshawn can explain exactly what that means. As well as "prior to injury" while he is at it.
This was from prior to his stellar game against the Packers to close the season...

Through Sunday's games, Fields ranks last in the NFL this season among 31 qualified quarterbacks in fourth-quarter completion percentage (51.8%), is 25th in yards per attempt (5.9), tied for 29th in fourth-quarter interceptions (6) and 30th in QBR (20.4), per ESPN Stats & Information research. Since joining the league in 2021, Fields is last among 38 qualified quarterbacks in fourth-quarter interceptions (16), 36th in completion percentage (56.2%) and 33rd in QBR (41.4).

When evaluators around the league watch Fields, they can't help but notice what holds him back -- mainly, a tendency to hold on to the ball too long from the pocket, failing to see routes develop. He's last in the league among 31 qualified quarterbacks in average time per pass (3.23 seconds) in 2023, and last among 38 qualified quarterbacks in that metric since entering the league (3.10 seconds). In 37 career starts, Fields has surpassed 225 passing yards six times. Eighteen NFL starters average at least 230 yards per game this season.

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