There are definitely patterns between the Cutler era and the Fields era emerging. Oddly enough I saw Cutler on a podcast saying the Bears should take Williams because Fields isn’t the guy lol

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If the rule you followed lead you to this, of what use was the rule?

Of course Fields isn't the guy. Doesn't mean Williams is.

I'm tired of reading this binary choice.

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Wattabout Kodak Black?

The only way to find out if Williams/Maye or any others are ‘the guy’ is to draft them and find out.


Either way, you admit right here that you feel Fields isn’t the guy.. so why not embrace moving on from him and picking the best possible candidate to replace him while the Bears have the opportunity to do so..?

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If the rule you followed lead you to this, of what use was the rule?

Pick a side grandpa

It pretty much is a binary choice. Sure they could plot an alternate course, which is would be sub optimal unless you can see into the future.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

Paths to upgrade QB:

Trade for/sign the following:

Burrow
Mahomes
Herbert
Jackson
Stroud
Goff
Cousins
Allen
Prescott
Mayfield
Stafford
Purdy
Hurts
Etc

Or

Draft a QB who's better than replacement-level. Your current QB is barely replacement-level.

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

https://twitter.com/i/status/1751275115810087231

Why would the Bears post this yesterday?

Definitely draft one of the 5 QBs. Doesn't have to be the #1. I like the big dude with the highest percentage completion rate in college.

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Wattabout Kodak Black?

Why would the Bears post this ever?

Last year, Ryan Poles said he'd have to be blown away by a quarterback to use the number 1 pick on him. I think this year is the opposite. He's picking a quarterback with the number 1 pick, and would have to be blown away by a draft haul to move down.
The other difference is this year's pick is going to determine its Poles is a success or a failure.

Not when you have the number one pick and so many teams are in competition for the pick. He'd be nuts to keep that pick when you are getting such a large haul of draft picks and additional players.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Why are so many teams interested in the pick?

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Mama's boy is a can't miss, I'm told. Give him a piece of the franchise and then start winning Super Bowls.

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Wattabout Kodak Black?

it's something when a close family is now considered a detriment

Nobody complains about Papa Hutch, except me.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Hawk, your unrequited love for Fields notwithstanding, I think you are actually absolutely right with this take. If some team is dumb enough to make a similar or even worse trade with you this year for the #1 overall than the Panthers made last year, the Bears have to take it.

Was it dumb though? There were fixed costs for Carolina (Moore) and variable (the picks). It seems like you and many others are excoriating Carolina because the variable cost first-round pick they gave up ended up being the #1 pick. But again as a variable cost the true cost of that first round pick was not known at the time of giving it up. Had Carolina performed better, even slightly better, or had they picked Stroud, then would you still call them dumb?

Separately, there's something strange about acknowledging this is a QB-driven league but wanting to kick the can down the road when it comes to actually finding the QB. What good is an all-pro lineman if he's protecting someone who cannot throw?

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

yep. No one would think the trade was overly one sided if Young performed like Stroud. Everyone would say it was a painful but necessary move that is justified because now they only have to fill in the pieces around Young

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Yes, everything about that trade was bad. They gambled their short-term future that the guy they picked was going to be great and the early returns are they swung and missed, and now they have a long road ahead of them to recover from it. Your question is basically "if you take away all the bad from that trade and pretend that it worked out, would you still say it was a bad trade?". If I were the Bears and I had a chance to trade out of that pick, still have 2 top-10 picks in this years draft and potentially have additional first round picks for one or two more years, I'd say that's a pretty good strategy to make your team better. The Bears are in a great position, they are a young, improving team. Multiple first round picks each year is a great way to continue that. Now if they have a love affair with Williams or one of the others then of course they should consider taking them but if they aren't sold on any of them completely, just keep taking other teams picks and building.

It’s not dumb if they pick CJ Stroud tho, which they put themselves in position to do with the trade. They made the wrong evaluation and wrong choice. But no one is calling that trade bad today if they’d picked Stroud and were in the playoffs this year like the Texans.


The Bears are in a position to make the right choice, it’s up to them to determine who and what that is.

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If the rule you followed lead you to this, of what use was the rule?

Agreed with NME. Man of Few Opinions, it seems like there's some hindsight bias in your post - that's what I was trying to imply earlier - because when you say "remove the bad and then consider the trade," that's not a fair reading of what I said. By variable cost I meant the true cost of the trade wouldn't be known until those variables played themselves out, so it's not like Carolina went in saying I'll give you the no 1 pick overall in 2024 and Moore for Young, which you're calling dumb. That may be dumb but it's only dumb with the benefit of hindsight, but at the time it was simply Moore and a future first round pick for the no 1 overall.

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

No hindsight at all - i said the day after the trade that the Bears fleeced the Panthers, long before they chose either Young or Stroud. Mortgaging your franchise to move up a few spots its way too risky of a move, and the Bears were lucky to find a team to do it last year. If I were them I'd do it again.

People here have no interest in even exploring the possibility. I'm glad they aren't the GM.

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Wattabout Kodak Black?

getsy interviewing in NE for OC job..... he and fields are besties right? they'll for sure give us their early second plus for fields!!!

The point of trading away the pick last year was to give yourself draft capital to draft Williams or one of the other QB's in a deep QB draft. They hit the lottery when the Panthers gave them the #1 pick this year. They no longer have to package 2 picks to get a QB.

Trading away the #1 pick and NOT picking up either Williams or Maye would be the end of Ryan Poles and a complete organizational failure by the Bears.

Trade down with the 9th pick if you need a 2nd rounder. Missing out on this QB class would be a huge mistake.

There isn't really a trade that would be worth it. Every scenario says to trade Fields and draft Williams. Either Fields is worth a ton of draft picks on his own and you get those or he isn't worth a ton of draft picks and that means the entire NFL also knows that Williams is a better choice than Fields.

Williams is cheaper with higher upside.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Well said Brick. Not sure why this is so hard to understand. Do you trust the Justin Fields cultist or the entire NFL front office?

Well certainly there are trades that would be worth it. Hey, if the Bears believe Williams is a sure thing they SHOULD take him. There could be another team desperate enough, including the team I root for, though I don't really see them trading up to get a QB. Taking Williams because it seems like the right thing to do and not because you really believe in him would be a mistake. The Bears could trade that pick and still get a QB with a slightly lower first round pick and get even more picks for next year.

"Every scenario says to trade Fields and draft Williams"? Hilarious opinion. At this point in Fields career development he is a SURE THING unlike the crap shoot that a prima donna college failure named Williams would involve. It's not like Fields is a NFL Failure. That is a sportswriter's bullshit thesis and nothing more. Its like Fields has enrolled in a graduate school for quarterback development and is ready to defend his thesis before the board. He is ready to roll.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Except for the one obvious scenario you aren't taking into account - neither Williams nor Maye are very good NFL QB's, and he takes advantage of another teams desperation to take a QB at all cost.