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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:21 am 
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I don't think the Bears are getting a #1 for Fields. I'm not even sure they will get a 2nd. I would love to be wrong.

I think teams are starting to get desperate and they haven't even had the combine yet. I already saw the "McCarthy would be Joe Burrow if Harbaugh let him throw" rumblings start.

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Nas wrote:
I don't think the Bears are getting a #1 for Fields. I'm not even sure they will get a 2nd. I would love to be wrong.


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I don't think the Bears are getting a #1 for Fields. I'm not even sure they will get a 2nd. I would love to be wrong.

I think teams are starting to get desperate and they haven't even had the combine yet. I already saw the "McCarthy would be Joe Burrow if Harbaugh let him throw" rumblings start.


I think that is his ceiling, so you're talking about me too. We'll know for certain where things stand with Fields next week. Poles talks on Tuesday.

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If you can get the Steelers to give you #20 for Fields and a 4th you take that deal all day, you might get Atlanta to give you a 2nd rounder, you take your starting center for the next 10 years with the pick you get in return.

You would have three rookie starters on offense, not an ideal situation, but Williams could be a franchise QB, Odunze is an upgrade over Mooney, and a 1st/2nd round center would instantly be better than Patrick or Whitehair.

The question is where does your FA paper go, will need a FS, TE, WR, OL depth, and another pass rusher, franchising Johnson supposedly will cost $18 million, maybe one big splash and a bunch of cheaper vets to fill slots.


I'm with Chet in that any trade with Atlanta must include swapping #8 for #9. It would be almost a throw away enticement from them.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2024 11:27 am 
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Reports are saying no 2nd round pick offers for fields. Nobody wants this running back.

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One dude has them signing Madubuike, the Ravens are over the cap, but have read that they are trying to restructure a few contracts so they can franchise him, Justin Madubuike solves your three-tech problem, and you would have a frightening defense if you were able to sign him, more likely you are able to get Geno Stone if you cannot sign Xavier McKinney.


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Yeah, I think he is appreciably better than Pickett.
I don’t know how you can make it termination. I don’t think it’s fair to judge quarterbacks unless they have elite playmakers at every skill position , an innovative playcaller and an offensive line that doesn’t allow any pressure. in this particular case there’s no way Fields is worth giving up your first round pick for ( and I’m guessing doesn’t happen regardless) Pickett is 14 and 10 as a starter on a bad team and has had the moxie to win several games late they wouldn’t be winning with Fields as their quarterback.


take a little lookie at the Steelers skill position depth chart and their new OC

as someone already told you, they love Pickett so much that they let him sit for their playoff game. Their offense was better with other players at QB

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Tomlin likely thinks he can coach him up, however it all could be a ruse by agents to gin up interest, Fields needs to prove himself soon if he wants the big paper QB1 second contract.

The Bears do not seem sold on him, and based on the 3rd round pick return rumors, it seems a sizeable portion of the league sees him as nothing more than a below average NFL QB.

This is a huge prove it year for Fields, it would seem his agent would be looking to move him to a team where he can leverage his play into a new deal, if he underperforms this year his value drops even more and he's looking at a Mitch like one year prove it deal as a backup.


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Tomlin likely thinks he can coach him up, however it all could be a ruse by agents to gin up interest, Fields needs to prove himself soon if he wants the big paper QB1 second contract.

The Bears do not seem sold on him, and based on the 3rd round pick return rumors, it seems a sizeable portion of the league sees him as nothing more than a below average NFL QB.

This is a huge prove it year for Fields, it would seem his agent would be looking to move him to a team where he can leverage his play into a new deal, if he underperforms this year his value drops even more and he's looking at a Mitch like one year prove it deal as a backup.

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Clawmaster wrote:
Tomlin likely thinks he can coach him up, however it all could be a ruse by agents to gin up interest, Fields needs to prove himself soon if he wants the big paper QB1 second contract.

The Bears do not seem sold on him, and based on the 3rd round pick return rumors, it seems a sizeable portion of the league sees him as nothing more than a below average NFL QB.

This is a huge prove it year for Fields, it would seem his agent would be looking to move him to a team where he can leverage his play into a new deal, if he underperforms this year his value drops even more and he's looking at a Mitch like one year prove it deal as a backup.


Tomlin loves Pickett, but the leaders on the team thinks he sucks. I believe there is a near 0% chance Pickett is their starter next year. Pickett isn't better than Fields. I don't think the Steelers would give up their 20th pick for Fields. I could possibly see them giving up a 2nd.

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No one is taking our garbage for a 1st or 2nd rounder. Would be lucky to get a 3rd. Most likely will be traded for a 4/5th round pick with performance goals to turn it into a 2nd.


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No one is taking our garbage for a 1st or 2nd rounder. Would be lucky to get a 3rd. Most likely will be traded for a 4/5th round pick with performance goals to turn it into a 2nd.


Carolina gave up a 2nd+ for Darnold. If you use the search function, you'll see MANY wanted the Bears to get in on that. Fields is only being dumped because Caleb Williams is in the draft.

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No one is taking our garbage for a 1st or 2nd rounder. Would be lucky to get a 3rd. Most likely will be traded for a 4/5th round pick with performance goals to turn it into a 2nd.


A bust (trey lance) was traded for a 4th. We should get at least a 3rd for a useable qb


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Fields is a bust as well but I'm fine if non-Chicago league execs haven't realized it yet.

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Nas wrote:
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No one is taking our garbage for a 1st or 2nd rounder. Would be lucky to get a 3rd. Most likely will be traded for a 4/5th round pick with performance goals to turn it into a 2nd.


Carolina gave up a 2nd+ for Darnold. If you use the search function, you'll see MANY wanted the Bears to get in on that. Fields is only being dumped because Caleb Williams is in the draft.

Exactly. Somewhere in that deal, there needs to be a 1st. Whether it’s conditional, a move into this year’s round 1…this is a starting caliber QB and the market is the market.

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this is a starting caliber QB and the market is the market.
If thats the case, I'd rather take my chances with Mitch on a low end salary with a 1-2yr incentive laden deal than give up that sort of draft capital.

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this is a starting caliber QB and the market is the market.
If thats the case, I'd rather take my chances with Mitch on a low end salary with a 1-2yr incentive laden deal than give up that sort of draft capital.

Then you’ll have Mitch and you’ll be the same team next year. Trade for Fields, build around him…this is only path back to the top of a very tough AFC North.

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Nas wrote:
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No one is taking our garbage for a 1st or 2nd rounder. Would be lucky to get a 3rd. Most likely will be traded for a 4/5th round pick with performance goals to turn it into a 2nd.


Carolina gave up a 2nd+ for Darnold. If you use the search function, you'll see MANY wanted the Bears to get in on that. Fields is only being dumped because Caleb Williams is in the draft.


Ok, well lets see what they get for him. I don't believe with the QB heavy draft that they will get a 2nd for Fields. How QB heavy was the draft when Darnold was traded for a 2nd to Carolina?


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No one is taking our garbage for a 1st or 2nd rounder. Would be lucky to get a 3rd. Most likely will be traded for a 4/5th round pick with performance goals to turn it into a 2nd.


Carolina gave up a 2nd+ for Darnold. If you use the search function, you'll see MANY wanted the Bears to get in on that. Fields is only being dumped because Caleb Williams is in the draft.


Ok, well lets see what they get for him. I don't believe with the QB heavy draft that they will get a 2nd for Fields. How QB heavy was the draft when Darnold was traded for a 2nd to Carolina?


That's the Fields draft year. IIRC, the Panthers had a top 10 pick in that draft. Everyone thought it was a draft similar to this one.

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Possible likely even these GM's in the QB sweepstakes making the mistake of going into 2024 draft with the memory of and a strategy based on the 2023 draft--where there was 1 and only 1 good QB and that QB appears to be franchise changing. If you approach 2024 draft like it's going to be a repeat of 2023, you're going to mess up and overvalue the 1st overall draft pick.

Trade the 1st overall for a king's ransom to the franchise that is already all-in on Williams. Swap 1st overall to Washington for nothing less than 2024 2nd overall + 2025 + 2026 1st round picks + swap Bagent for Howell (and let Howell compete with McCarthy or Daniels or Maye or Penix or whomever) and fuck around with later round picks, swapping 4th for a 2nd or a 7th up to a 5th or something--every trade/pick swap EXCEPT 1st for 2nd should result in the Bears gaining draft capital and Washington selling the farm (moving down or off the board that round)

But. yeah, teams looking at 2023 and thinking we got one shot to get this right and if we do, we get the next Coleridge Bernard "C. J." Stroud IV and playoffs~! are prime for fleecing in a trade.


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for the bears to extract max value for fields they likely will need to trade him before FA starts (March 13). The suspense likely wont linger past that point.




Fans that have YouTube channels are losing their shit lol.. it’s been funny to watch the ‘he is H1M’ crowd perform mental gymnastics 4 times a day in videos telling everyone else they’re crazy for thinking the Bears would even consider moving on from Fields.


On the flip side, I haven’t seen one channel dedicated to flipping out over the fact that they think fans are crazy for not believing Williams is the guy. The Fields Stans are really a different breed. I’m getting to a point where I want the Bears to trade him just so I can watch the meltdown that will inevitably follow.


There’s people threatening to burn their jerseys and became Packers fans and all kinds of other nonsense lol.. I can’t lie, some of this is kind of awesome. I’ve never seen such devotion surrounding such a mediocre player.. imagine if Mitch was that supported..?


I'm the same way basically. If there was no cult it's possible I could be fine with giving Fields a ten year contract. But because of this vocal dumbass cult I want Fields deported to the moon if it means the cult follows him or just disappears.



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for the bears to extract max value for fields they likely will need to trade him before FA starts (March 13). The suspense likely wont linger past that point.




Fans that have YouTube channels are losing their shit lol.. it’s been funny to watch the ‘he is H1M’ crowd perform mental gymnastics 4 times a day in videos telling everyone else they’re crazy for thinking the Bears would even consider moving on from Fields.


On the flip side, I haven’t seen one channel dedicated to flipping out over the fact that they think fans are crazy for not believing Williams is the guy. The Fields Stans are really a different breed. I’m getting to a point where I want the Bears to trade him just so I can watch the meltdown that will inevitably follow.


There’s people threatening to burn their jerseys and became Packers fans and all kinds of other nonsense lol.. I can’t lie, some of this is kind of awesome. I’ve never seen such devotion surrounding such a mediocre player.. imagine if Mitch was that supported..?


I'm the same way basically. If there was no cult it's possible I could be fine with giving Fields a ten year contract. But because of this vocal dumbass cult I want Fields deported to the moon if it means the cult follows him or just disappears.



The same guy that wrote a book titled "Why My Wife Thinks I'm an Idiot" makes completely idiotic statement :lol: :lol:

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Greeny is responsible for the national preseason hype surrounding Fields. He yelled as far and as loud as he could about Fields winning the MVP in 2023 even though in 2022 Fields demonstrated he was a better running back than quarterback, the actual position he played. When Fields wet the bed during the initial quarter of the season greeny blamed the coaching staff for Fields lack of MVP play instead of admitting his prediction sucks. Now after yet another season of data further confirming Fields can't pass he wants to inexplicably say adding fields to the roster will vault the Steelers to the super bowl. It can't get any dumber than this, it's like the Hawk is writing Greeny's scripts.

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Matt Eberflus has that Super Bowl beard. We all know clean shaven Chicago coaches don't win championships.

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[They] look like they would kick my ass.

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Shane Waldron loves Caleb. He didn't explicitly say that, but he went out of his way to avoid mentioning him. Enough that it makes you recognize that is his guy.

The Bears are going offense with both picks in the first round.

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Shane Waldron loves Caleb. He didn't explicitly say that, but he went out of his way to avoid mentioning him. Enough that it makes you recognize that is his guy.

The Bears are going offense with both picks in the first round.


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Shane Waldron loves Caleb. He didn't explicitly say that, but he went out of his way to avoid mentioning him. Enough that it makes you recognize that is his guy.

The Bears are going offense with both picks in the first round.


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