You don't consider Winston a bust?

No sir

18 times in the last 25 years NFL teams and their fans came out of draft day after selecting a QB 1/1 thinking We're goin' to the Super Bowl! and not one of those teams who drafted a QB 1st overall has won a Super Bowl with that QB.

3 teams have had the joy of losing a Super Bowl with their 1/1 QB.


Bryce Young ever gets anywhere near the playoffs or wins a Super Bowl it will be with a team not owned by David Tepper.

Burrow might still get it done; but he could also end up retiring early due to his chronic injury issues, like Luck. Or the Bengals make the Super Bowl with Burrow injured on the sidelines while Jake Browning QB-cucks his way to a Super Bowl, a la Earl Morrall and Bob Griese.

Many that is true, but an incomplete statement.

You don't consider Winston a bust?

He threw for 5000 yards and 30 touchdowns and 4000 yards 3 times.

He's the 3rd QB on the Saints

1967: Bubba Smith, DE, Michigan State – Baltimore Colts
1968: Ron Yary, OT, USC – Minnesota Vikings
1969: O.J. Simpson, RB, USC – Buffalo Bills
1970: Terry Bradshaw, QB, Louisiana Tech – Pittsburgh Steelers
1971: Jim Plunkett, QB, Stanford – New England Patriots
1972: Walt Patulski, DE, Notre Dame – Buffalo Bills
1973: John Matuszak, DE, Tampa – Houston Oilers
1974: Ed "Too Tall" Jones, DE, Tennessee State – Dallas Cowboys
1975: Steve Bartkowski, QB, California – Atlanta Falcons
1976: Lee Roy Selmon, DE, Oklahoma – Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1977: Ricky Bell, RB, USC – Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1978: Earl Campbell, RB, Texas – Houston Oilers
1979: Tom Cousineau, LB, Ohio State – Buffalo Bills
1980: Billy Sims, RB, Oklahoma – Detroit Lions
1981: George Rogers, RB, South Carolina – New Orleans Saints
1982: Kenneth Sims, DT, Texas – New England Patriots
1983: John Elway, QB, Stanford – Baltimore Colts (later traded to the Denver Broncos)
1984: Irving Fryar, WR, Nebraska – New England Patriots
1985: Bruce Smith, DE, Virginia Tech – Buffalo Bills
1986: Bo Jackson, RB, Auburn – Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1987: Vinny Testaverde, QB, Miami (FL) – Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1988: Aundray Bruce, LB, Auburn – Atlanta Falcons
1989: Troy Aikman, QB, UCLA – Dallas Cowboys
1990: Jeff George, QB, Illinois – Indianapolis Colts
1991: Russell Maryland, DT, Miami (FL) – Dallas Cowboys
1992: Steve Emtman, DT, Washington – Indianapolis Colts
1993: Drew Bledsoe, QB, Washington State – New England Patriots
1994: Dan Wilkinson, DT, Ohio State – Cincinnati Bengals
1995: Ki-Jana Carter, RB, Penn State – Cincinnati Bengals
1996: Keyshawn Johnson, WR, USC – New York Jets
1997: Orlando Pace, OT, Ohio State – St. Louis Rams
1998: Peyton Manning, QB, Tennessee – Indianapolis Colts
1999: Tim Couch, QB, Kentucky – Cleveland Browns
2000: Courtney Brown, DE, Penn State – Cleveland Browns
2001: Michael Vick, QB, Virginia Tech – Atlanta Falcons
2002: David Carr, QB, Fresno State – Houston Texans
2003: Carson Palmer, QB, USC – Cincinnati Bengals
2004: Eli Manning, QB, Ole Miss – San Diego Chargers (later traded to the New York Giants)
2005: Alex Smith, QB, Utah – San Francisco 49ers
2006: Mario Williams, DE, NC State – Houston Texans
2007: JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU – Oakland Raiders
2008: Jake Long, OT, Michigan – Miami Dolphins
2009: Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia – Detroit Lions
2010: Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma – St. Louis Rams
2011: Cam Newton, QB, Auburn – Carolina Panthers
2012: Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford – Indianapolis Colts
2013: Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan – Kansas City Chiefs
2014: Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina – Houston Texans
2015: Jameis Winston, QB, Florida State – Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2016: Jared Goff, QB, California – Los Angeles Rams
2017: Myles Garrett, DE, Texas A&M – Cleveland Browns
2018: Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma – Cleveland Browns
2019: Kyler Murray, QB, Oklahoma – Arizona Cardinals
2020: Joe Burrow, QB, LSU – Cincinnati Bengals
2021: Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson – Jacksonville Jaguars
2022: Travon Walker, DE, – Jacksonville Jaguars
2023: Bryce Young, QB, – Carolina Panthers
2024:

Not a lot of quarterbacks that were complete busts. Most of the players on this list had great or productive careers. Someone can fact check me, but I counted 28 Super Bowl rings and 7 Super Bowl appearances by players that didn't win a ring.

More busts than HOFers on that list and way more flash-in-the-pan success than consistent stardom.

Yeah true but you take your best stab at an HoF QB. It is the single most important thing to an NFL football team.

Agreed. And for the record I would take Caleb. I also think he will be the 3rd best QB in the North next season.

Agreed. And for the record I would take Caleb. I also think he will be the 3rd best QB in the North next season.

You don't consider Winston a bust?

Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.

1967: Bubba Smith, DE, Michigan State – Baltimore Colts
1968: Ron Yary, OT, USC – Minnesota Vikings
1969: O.J. Simpson, RB, USC – Buffalo Bills
1970: Terry Bradshaw, QB, Louisiana Tech – Pittsburgh Steelers
1971: Jim Plunkett, QB, Stanford – New England Patriots
1972: Walt Patulski, DE, Notre Dame – Buffalo Bills
1973: John Matuszak, DE, Tampa – Houston Oilers
1974: Ed "Too Tall" Jones, DE, Tennessee State – Dallas Cowboys
1975: Steve Bartkowski, QB, California – Atlanta Falcons
1976: Lee Roy Selmon, DE, Oklahoma – Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1977: Ricky Bell, RB, USC – Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1978: Earl Campbell, RB, Texas – Houston Oilers
1979: Tom Cousineau, LB, Ohio State – Buffalo Bills
1980: Billy Sims, RB, Oklahoma – Detroit Lions
1981: George Rogers, RB, South Carolina – New Orleans Saints
1982: Kenneth Sims, DT, Texas – New England Patriots
1983: John Elway, QB, Stanford – Baltimore Colts (later traded to the Denver Broncos)
1984: Irving Fryar, WR, Nebraska – New England Patriots
1985: Bruce Smith, DE, Virginia Tech – Buffalo Bills
1986: Bo Jackson, RB, Auburn – Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1987: Vinny Testaverde, QB, Miami (FL) – Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1988: Aundray Bruce, LB, Auburn – Atlanta Falcons
1989: Troy Aikman, QB, UCLA – Dallas Cowboys
1990: Jeff George, QB, Illinois – Indianapolis Colts
1991: Russell Maryland, DT, Miami (FL) – Dallas Cowboys
1992: Steve Emtman, DT, Washington – Indianapolis Colts
1993: Drew Bledsoe, QB, Washington State – New England Patriots
1994: Dan Wilkinson, DT, Ohio State – Cincinnati Bengals
1995: Ki-Jana Carter, RB, Penn State – Cincinnati Bengals
1996: Keyshawn Johnson, WR, USC – New York Jets
1997: Orlando Pace, OT, Ohio State – St. Louis Rams
1998: Peyton Manning, QB, Tennessee – Indianapolis Colts
1999: Tim Couch, QB, Kentucky – Cleveland Browns
2000: Courtney Brown, DE, Penn State – Cleveland Browns
2001: Michael Vick, QB, Virginia Tech – Atlanta Falcons
2002: David Carr, QB, Fresno State – Houston Texans
2003: Carson Palmer, QB, USC – Cincinnati Bengals
2004: Eli Manning, QB, Ole Miss – San Diego Chargers (later traded to the New York Giants)
2005: Alex Smith, QB, Utah – San Francisco 49ers
2006: Mario Williams, DE, NC State – Houston Texans
2007: JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU – Oakland Raiders
2008: Jake Long, OT, Michigan – Miami Dolphins
2009: Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia – Detroit Lions
2010: Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma – St. Louis Rams
2011: Cam Newton, QB, Auburn – Carolina Panthers
2012: Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford – Indianapolis Colts
2013: Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan – Kansas City Chiefs
2014: Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina – Houston Texans
2015: Jameis Winston, QB, Florida State – Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2016: Jared Goff, QB, California – Los Angeles Rams
2017: Myles Garrett, DE, Texas A&M – Cleveland Browns
2018: Baker Mayfield, QB, Oklahoma – Cleveland Browns
2019: Kyler Murray, QB, Oklahoma – Arizona Cardinals
2020: Joe Burrow, QB, LSU – Cincinnati Bengals
2021: Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson – Jacksonville Jaguars
2022: Travon Walker, DE, – Jacksonville Jaguars
2023: Bryce Young, QB, – Carolina Panthers
2024:

Not a lot of quarterbacks that were complete busts. Most of the players on this list had great or productive careers. Someone can fact check me, but I counted 28 Super Bowl rings and 7 Super Bowl appearances by players that didn't win a ring.

I can't talk about football with Packers fans, you people are beneath us Bears fans. Enjoy our scraps until the 2040s.

I can't talk about football with Packers fans, you people are beneath us Bears fans. Enjoy our scraps until the 2040s.

I think the Packers are roughly 47-13 over the last 30 years.

#2018

The past is for...

How many of the SB winners were only 6’1”?

Agreed. And for the record I would take Caleb. I also think he will be the 3rd best QB in the North next season.

When did Jared Groff become a QB great?

If given decent odds, I would wager that C-Will will put up better numbers than Love next season.

If you are asking for decent odds, then you are acknowledging that you believe Love will be better. That's your best QB thought in a while though.

That means you should offer me 20-1 odds and allow me to set $200 on fire. We would be talking about not only UNPRECEDENTED production from a rookie quarterback but a Bears quarterback breaking records.

Here's what I suggest. Love is +4000 for offensive player of the year and Williams is +10000. Make the odds 2.5-1.

How do we factor in the Bears historic suckage at the quarterback position and the Packers breeding HoF quarterbacks?