I have no idea how to judge such a thing.

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Weber didn't coach Rayvonte Rice.

Anyway, I'm not sure what your point is. Like I said, you're all over the place.

Also, you may have missed it but the official record of Derrick Rose's college team is 0-1.

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It is not really fair to compare teams from the 80s to the early 2000s or to now. We have left the one and done era, and are now in the start of the portal/NIL era. Ten years ago the former SIU coach is probably landing a bigger job today after going on a tournament run. Instead his team was picked apart after last season by bigger schools and he got fired despite having winning record this year.

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Point me in the direction of where I said that he did? I remember when he transferred in. My high school friend was their assistant coach then..

The point is clear. Weber couldn't recruit and that is why he deserved to get fired. He couldn't even get in the room with any of the top recruits and your point about Rayvonte Rice only validates this. His record in the Big Ten also validated why he deserved to get whacked

Still doesn't change the fact that He, Sherron Collins, and Julian Wright all played in the NCAA Championship game at the very same time. And all were Illinois Products that didn't give Weber the time of day. He was an OK coach and a terrible recruiter. No way can you ever win with that as the formula.

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It's fair to compare them. What's unfair is believing that the eras are very much the same.
Jorr believes that that there is absolutely no difference. Which is just asinine.

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I don't believe they are "the same" in many regards as conns notes above but I really have no idea how to judge and compare the talent and depth or lack thereof between the eras.

Basketball fans have some weird ideas. They think guys like Mikan and Cousy were slow, tiny, unathletic and white. They are only correct about the last one. They have these thoughts about players evolving but somehow the evolution stopped with Michael Jordan and players forty years ago were better than the guys playing today.

One thing that makes the game and the talent very difficult to compare across eras is the constant traveling and carrying that is allowed in today's game.

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It's actually very easy to decipher the talent disparity between the Rose era and today. Look at the NBA draft. Very few of the top 10 guys in this year's or last year's draft actually played college basketball. When Derrick Rose played the top ten was comprised mostly of 1 and dones that were very good college players. It's not "weird" at all and hardly applicable to the 1950's either. When Rose played all of the top guys for the draft still played at least a year of college basketball. Today they don't.

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Skill level has progressed obviously. Progression however sees diminishing returns. And progression between sports, say baseball, which has been around since the civil war, makes it easier to compare eras. You are blind if you can't see the exponential growth from George Mikan to Hakeem Olajuwon.

You've never seen Mikan. You've seen photos and perhaps deteriorating film of him.

The idea that humans "evolved" in a generation or two is absurd.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Kash, and Don

Who said they evolved? Basketball wasn't even a thing until after WW2. They were "figuring it out" for 25 years.

I guess lead pipes are just as good as copper?

His point had nothing to do with this though

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What are you saying then? You seem to believe that Olajuwan is a superior physical specimen when compared to Mikan.

Is Mikan a lead pipe and Olajuwan copper? Is Jordan a bar of silver and LeBron pure platinum?

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With Elon, Kash, and Don

YES! Hakeem has extra muscles and a six fingers. His knees can bend front and back.

Can't say this is much of a,surprise. Dain Dainja is in the portal.

https://247sports.com/college/illinois/ ... 229729134/

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Why is Hawkins leaving? Seems like he could have starred next season.

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Morez Johnson is coming. Consensus Top 25 player out of high school. And I think they like the Hansberry kid too. And they will probably get a decent big out of the portal.
I hope DePaul Swoops Him Up.

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I was wondering the same thing - he must be in a hurry to start making money in China or Italy or somewhere.

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Dain is gonna go somewhere next year and kick ass. He clearly was in underwood’s doghouse most of the year and for reasons we will never know underwood chose Saturday night to teach him a “life lesson”.

Illini Women's Basketball playing Nova in the WBIT Title Game Thursday! Who's making the short trip to Indy to watch?

I'm going to Indianapolis.

probably a bit too big time for Loyola but he'd be perfect for what they are looking for

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Illinois has a lot of work to do to keep Brad Underwood now.

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They just need to work on NILs. It doesn't much matter who the coach is anymore just as long as he's competent.

They had one of the best NIL systems in the country from the start.

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No need to worry about the coach then. Just pay the most.

Well you aren't outbidding Indiana any more but Illinois is going to be really good next year too.

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Then why do they have to work hard to keep Underwood? He's obviously nothing special.

I'm not making a judgement on Underwood. The knock on him was that he had never gotten past the first weekend of the NCAA tournament but that's gone now.

He's supposedly been unhappy all year and the Shannon situation was a near breaking point when he got suspended.

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NIL ran Saban out of Alabama....Bye, Brad. Good luck to you.