Misery loves company.

so you're saying you'll be there too?

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He certainly would be miserable company!

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sorry, missed this...why is it not enough? Well first off, SD's scout said it wasn't. Mainly because it's an ace. You don't trade an ace for:
Cedeno: never a regular SS or 2B for the Cubs
Pie: Pie is Pie. What you see is what you get. I thought he was redeemable, and the Cubs sent someone down to winter ball to change his hitting approach and look how that worked this season.
Marshall: Maybe a 3rd starter at best...
Ceda: Despite being completely unproven on the major league level, probably the most valuable commodity in the trade.

Do this for me. Look up Pie, Cedeno and Marshall's stats. Then find me comparable players to them in MLB based on those stats. Then ask yourself, "would I trade Zambrano for those three players plus Ceda?" Peavy's actually a better pitcher than Zambrano, but that should give you an idea....

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[quote="City of Fools"][sorry, missed this...why is it not enough? Well first off, SD's scout said it wasn't. Mainly because it's an ace. You don't trade an ace for:
Cedeno: never a regular SS or 2B for the Cubs
Pie: Pie is Pie. What you see is what you get. I thought he was redeemable, and the Cubs sent someone down to winter ball to change his hitting approach and look how that worked this season.
Marshall: Maybe a 3rd starter at best...
Ceda: Despite being completely unproven on the major league level, probably the most valuable commodity in the trade.
quote]
What do you trade for an ace 'fools? Keep in mind the ace is asking to leave the team which significantly lowers the teams leverage.
SD values major league ready prospects over suspects that are years away. Marshall 3rd starter @best is valuable to them. As is Cedeno who could start on a lot of mlb teams. Pie is still highly ranked prospect. (whether some people "know" better or not)
It is a good deal for what SD wants.

let me clarify here...I'm certainly not saying this deal doesn't get done. What I am saying is that it's not a fair exchange of value. If San Diego's happy, that's their problem. They are a last place team, after all...

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Believe the term your looking for is GO FUCK YOURSELF SAN DIEGO

CoF, you make some valid points. But Hendry has a pretty good track record of making some solid trades and not having to give up much, so I wouldn't be surprised if he pulls it off again.

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Because, as


SD is looking to get some solid prospects to rebuild, not just dupb a contract. The Cubs will have to give up a Szmardja, Pie, Cedeno, maybe even a Marmol to get Peavy here.

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Way too much to give up for Peavy.

Just as when the Cubs got Aramis Ramirez, Kenny Lofton and Randall Simon from the Pirates in exchange for Bobby Hill and a couple other mopes, this deal is about money. The Padres are probably eager to unload the huge contract they gave Peavy and anxious to get players that can compete at the major league level and do not make much coin.

No way the Cubs give up Marmol.

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Is this your opinion? Cuz the reports seem to inidcate the Marshall pie cedeno ceda thing is pretty close.

Pittsburgh is not the only team Hendry has taken for a ride on trades, do not underestimate him.

They will not give up Marmol and Szmardja has a no trade clause, so you can forget about those two.

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it is his opinion. Of course it could happen. Hendry has done such things before that astounded me. But it will be an absolute fleecing if it goes down that way....

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The only problem is having players (Soriano, Lee, Ramirez, Zambrano and perhaps very soon-Dempster) who's salaries are so great, that any slip in performance makes them untradeable. They cause the team salary figure to go so high that additional moves are close to impossible. Lee is making 13.5 million. The Cubs might very well get as much or better production from the 1B position next year, if Micah Hoffpauir played there. So they could try to shop Lee. But what team is going to want to pay him 13.5 AND give up much in return? Probably nobody. So, they might consider trading him for less than equal value, just as the Padres may be doing with Peavy. It's a rough economy and very few teams will enjoy the loyalty the Cubs will, in tough times. The Cubs can better afford to pay big salaries. The Padres may have already experienced a dip in attendance last year and be worried about another in 2009.

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http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=j ... &type=lgns

How the fuck did Samardzija get a no-trade clause?!

Padres want MLB ready players.

Marshall
Cedeno
Pie and Veal will get this done considering ATL dont want to give nothing better in their offer

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I am tired of hearing about it, let's get the deal done or forget it

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if that were true, i think the trade would have been made already. here we go, throwing in the all-important "cedeno" piece. im not saying it is a bad deal - i think marshall and pie and veal all have some value, but if i were a gm, and someone kept trying to seel me cedeno, id say "enough with cedeno already, keep him".

that was a crack at me, OOgie...

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I believe the Braves offer of Escobar, Hernandez and Morton is better than the cubs offer but Kevin Towers is holding out for Tommy Hanson. These guys are playing a game of chicken and Frank Wren isn't blinking. I think something is going to pop soon because the Braves and cubs are going to be very active this offseason and they don't want this to hold up any free agent signings.

Josh Vitters is the main piece

The Atlanta Braves and San Diego Padres continue to make progress in trade negotiations around pitcher Jake Peavy, but at the same time, San Diego is talking with the Chicago Cubs about the All-Star -- with the Padres and Chicago engaging a third team as part of their proposals.



Peavy
Some sources believe that a trade of Peavy, while not imminent, is inevitable, and could occur prior to Thanksgiving. The Padres are in the midst of a significant payroll cut: If San Diego -- which withdrew a contract offer to closer Trevor Hoffman on Monday night -- eventually trades both Peavy and Brian Giles, as expected, then the team's 2009 payroll will be about half of what it was in 2008.

The Braves and Padres have settled on two pieces of the package that Atlanta would send to San Diego -- shortstop Yunel Escobar and outfield prospect Gorkys Hernandez. The Braves likely would include one of two young pitchers, either Charlie Morton or Jo-Jo Reyes. The two sides are at odds over the other pieces in the deal; the Padres are known to have interest in young pitcher Jeffrey Locke.

The Cubs and Padres have talked about a deal built around Josh Vitters, the Cubs' top pick from 2007. But unlike the Braves, Chicago is not steeped in pitching, and so the Padres and Cubs are in the process of drawing in a third team to their talks, and that third team would be the side that would flip the pitching necessary to San Diego, in order to make the deal work for the Padres.

Peavy, 27, won the 2007 Cy Young Award, and went 10-11 with a 2.85 ERA in 2008. He is signed through 2013, and currently, he has a full no-trade clause and the right to veto any proposal. The Braves and Cubs are among the teams that he would consider, as he has indicated to the Padres.

During the process of considering possible deals for Peavy, the Padres have talked with numerous teams, including the Los Angeles Dodgers, Los Angeles Angels, Houston Astros and New York Yankees.

I do not know much about Vitters, what is the word on him?

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This may have been covered, but




were i Hendry (thankfully for yous, i am not) I would investigate throwing a 6-4-3 Lee and a Fontenot/Theriot type along with the young ML ready pitching (Gaudin? Marshall? Simzardjiza?); and asking for A Gonz, Khalil and Peavy in a MEGA BLOCKBUSTER type deal.

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You don't seem to understand the motivation for the Padre's making the deal. They want to unload a huge salary. They don't want guys like Lee, who makes 13.5 million. Now Fontenot and Marshall are more the kind of guys they seek. If you offered up Hoffpauir, Fontenot, Marshall, Theriot, Pie and Veal, they might actually listen. But Gonzalez is an all-star, Peavy is a Cy Young candidate and Khalil Greene is a pretty solid player too. Thats a lot to ask for. If you want to make that happen, you have to look at what it is they really want to accomplish in a trade.

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Good news for the cubs. I like the way Frank Wren is handling this. Time for Towers to shit or get off the pot.


General manager Frank Wren said Friday that the Braves "have moved on" and are no longer in the running for Jake Peavy.

"We had our last discussion with San Diego yesterday and let them know that if the final names we were discussing wouldn't get it done, we would move on to other opportunities, other possibilities," Wren said. Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com reports that the Braves will now turn their attention to free agents A.J. Burnett, Ryan Dempster and Derek Lowe, leaving the Padres to either trade Peavy to the Cubs or find a new potential landing spot such as the Angels or Yankees.

With the Yankees throwing big money at Sabathia, Burnett and Lowe, the interest in trading for Peavy may be revived. The Yankees are reported to have offered Sabathia over 140 million over 6 years. No reports on the numbers offered to the other two. But the Yankees have a new park and trimmed 80 million off last years payroll, so there is a lot of money available for them to spend and it appears as if they are very willing to spend it. If they sign all 3, or even 2 of the 3, there might be a lot more interest in Peavy, from teams that were not able to sign any of the free agents the Yankees get.

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fuck the padres. sign dempster and throw big money at adam dunn. who needs outfield defense. put dunn 4th AFTER ramirez and IN FRONT of lee/soto/soriano or whoever, and LETS SCORE SOME RUNS!*


*pretty much tongue in cheek.

Good hitter, plays 3B but is probably best suited to a corner outfield position or 3rd base. Probably one of the top 15 hitters in the minors, and almost certainly the Cubs #1 prospect.

On the no-trade clause for Smardjiza- I imagine that it was part of the package needed to entice him to play baseball rather than football. He was going to be a 1st/2nd round draft pick in either sport.

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