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These are the cities in the U.S. with the worst traffic..

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Which U.S. cities have the worst traffic?
Chicago takes the number one spot on a list of worst cities in the U.S. After that, Boston, New York, Philadelphia, and Miami rounded out the top five cities in the U.S. where drivers lost the most amount of time waiting for traffic to move along.

A driver in Chicago lost 155 hours due to traffic, in Boston 134 hours, in New York City 117 hours, in Philadelphia 114 hours, and in Miami 105 hours. 28 cities in the U.S. (plus Toronto and San Juan, Puerto Rico) had the worst traffic in 2022, according to Inrix.

Which U.S. city had the slowest speed in downtown traffic?
Five U.S. cities tied for the slowest speed in downtown traffic at 11 miles per hour: Chicago, Boston, New York City, Philadelphia, and Washington, D.C.

Which cities outside the U.S. and Canada had the worst traffic?
Besides being the worst in the U.S. for traffic, Chicago ranked No. 2 in the world, behind London.

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how is LA not on that list ?

takes an hour to drive 1/2 mile in any given direction, even at midnight


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Driving thru Atlanta makes me understand why road rage occurs

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how is LA not on that list ?

takes an hour to drive 1/2 mile in any given direction, even at midnight


LA is #7 in that article:
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how is LA not on that list ?

takes an hour to drive 1/2 mile in any given direction, even at midnight


LA is #7 in that article:
https://www.thestreet.com/personal-fina ... -in-the-us

Who was number 6?

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Driving thru Atlanta makes me understand why road rage occurs


I75 is the worst.

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Clearly we need some 22-lane roads

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the idea that more lanes doesnt help was born in college. they just expanded the beltline in madison to 4 lanes and it made a world of difference. this was after two decades of city engineers and tree huggers crying with 'facts' that it wouldnt change traffic flow.

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the idea that more lanes doesnt help was born in college. they just expanded the beltline in madison to 4 lanes and it made a world of difference. this was after two decades of city engineers and tree huggers crying with 'facts' that it wouldnt change traffic flow.

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Boston traffic is far worse than anything I've encountered in Chicago simply because it's significantly easier to identify alternate routes and shortcuts in Chicago than it is in Boston, where alternate routes are often impossible due to geography and road design.

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I have to assume there's some correlation with the insane amount of construction going on each year. Some roads, like Lake Cook Road through Buffalo Grove, etc., feels like its under constant construction in stretches. The Kennedy right now is, what, a 3+ year project?

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anyone who has been to Rome knows that is the most chaotic traffic city in the industrialized world

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When we were in Rome we booked a small private tour. Our driver / guide, Francesca, made short work of all that crazy traffic. She dodged bottlenecks and got us close to MANY extra attractions in addition to our planned tours. All while cranking Rome's version of WDRV on the radio :alien: . And she was also pleasant on the eyes. :D

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anyone who has been to Rome knows that is the most chaotic traffic city in the industrialized world


they drive ON the rail tracks...while street cars are running. when you see a line of parked cars, you'd think you're looking at a junk yard. they just don't give a shit. the roads were not made for driving cars...


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That traffic is different. Having a sea of people walking will make traffic difficult. The highways and roads outside of the centre aren't bad.

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There's a great story about how jaywalking came about. In the 1920s, new car sales were falling, so ‘jaywalking’ was created to blame accidents on pedestrians, rather than aggressive drivers. Jays were supposedly country bumpkin types.

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There's a great story about how jaywalking came about. In the 1920s, new car sales were falling, so ‘jaywalking’ was created to blame accidents on pedestrians, rather than aggressive drivers. Jays were supposedly country bumpkin types.
There is a fairly large difference between a horse drawn carriage going 5 mph and a car going even 20 mph so the idea that it was somehow the evil auto manufacturers that stole the right of pedestrians to walk into traffic whenever and wherever they wanted is kind of stupid.

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Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote:
There's a great story about how jaywalking came about. In the 1920s, new car sales were falling, so ‘jaywalking’ was created to blame accidents on pedestrians, rather than aggressive drivers. Jays were supposedly country bumpkin types.


How did blaming bumpkins for getting flattened by Fords increase auto sales?

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Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote:
There's a great story about how jaywalking came about. In the 1920s, new car sales were falling, so ‘jaywalking’ was created to blame accidents on pedestrians, rather than aggressive drivers. Jays were supposedly country bumpkin types.


that's not a great story


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Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote:
I have to assume there's some correlation with the insane amount of construction going on each year. Some roads, like Lake Cook Road through Buffalo Grove, etc., feels like its under constant construction in stretches. The Kennedy right now is, what, a 3+ year project?

Rand through Lake Zurich felt like it was under construction for a decade. Maybe it was.

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There's a great story about how jaywalking came about. In the 1920s, new car sales were falling, so ‘jaywalking’ was created to blame accidents on pedestrians, rather than aggressive drivers. Jays were supposedly country bumpkin types.
There is a fairly large difference between a horse drawn carriage going 5 mph and a car going even 20 mph so the idea that it was somehow the evil auto manufacturers that stole the right of pedestrians to walk into traffic whenever and wherever they wanted is kind of stupid.

A big difference between Chicago and Detroit's respective downtowns is that walk signals in the Loop are sort of a vague suggestion whereas in Detroit, if you do not wait for the walk signal, they will run you over. Now that's a car city.

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I mean, it is the Motor City

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Maybe Chicago could use a Big Dig. Sure it make take 40 years to complete, but 22nd century traffic will be great.

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Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote:
I have to assume there's some correlation with the insane amount of construction going on each year. Some roads, like Lake Cook Road through Buffalo Grove, etc., feels like its under constant construction in stretches. The Kennedy right now is, what, a 3+ year project?

Rand through Lake Zurich felt like it was under construction for a decade. Maybe it was.

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Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote:
There's a great story about how jaywalking came about. In the 1920s, new car sales were falling, so ‘jaywalking’ was created to blame accidents on pedestrians, rather than aggressive drivers. Jays were supposedly country bumpkin types.
There is a fairly large difference between a horse drawn carriage going 5 mph and a car going even 20 mph so the idea that it was somehow the evil auto manufacturers that stole the right of pedestrians to walk into traffic whenever and wherever they wanted is kind of stupid.

A big difference between Chicago and Detroit's respective downtowns is that walk signals in the Loop are sort of a vague suggestion whereas in Detroit, if you do not wait for the walk signal, they will run you over. Now that's a car city.
In fairness, public transportation in Detroit also seems very good at killing pedestrians.

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Maybe Chicago could use a Big Dig. Sure it make take 40 years to complete, but 22nd century traffic will be great.

There are some stretches of expressway that could probably be lidded, which might at least create some more greenspace.

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Bagels wrote:
how is LA not on that list ?

takes an hour to drive 1/2 mile in any given direction, even at midnight


LA is #7 in that article:
https://www.thestreet.com/personal-fina ... -in-the-us


I don't see how L.A. is not number one. It's nothing but freeways and doesn't have a true center, so everyone is going everywhere all the time.


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Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote:
There's a great story about how jaywalking came about. In the 1920s, new car sales were falling, so ‘jaywalking’ was created to blame accidents on pedestrians, rather than aggressive drivers. Jays were supposedly country bumpkin types.


Cars have basically been able to kill pedestrians with impunity since then.


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Curious Hair wrote:
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Maybe Chicago could use a Big Dig. Sure it make take 40 years to complete, but 22nd century traffic will be great.

There are some stretches of expressway that could probably be lidded, which might at least create some more greenspace.


Can you imagine how the west loop would change if the city did that from Jackson until Augusta over the Kennedy?

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Maybe Chicago could use a Big Dig. Sure it make take 40 years to complete, but 22nd century traffic will be great.

There are some stretches of expressway that could probably be lidded, which might at least create some more greenspace.


Can you imagine how the west loop would change if the city did that from Jackson until Augusta over the Kennedy?

It would really create some nice continuity. There's still the problem of ramps every block, though. But yeah, that's a hideous stretch of road and feels like a moat sometimes.

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That traffic is different. Having a sea of people walking will make traffic difficult. The highways and roads outside of the centre aren't bad.

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