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 Post subject: Re: Swisher a Yankee
PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:48 pm 
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Do you think they would take Carlos Zambrano and his act to go along with Swisher?
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 Post subject: Re: Swisher a Yankee
PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:55 pm 
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Meh, you're supposed to buy low and sell high, I think Kenny just did the opposite for Swisher.


He would not have had a regular position with this team, so I see no way for him to restore his value. He cut his losses.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:05 pm 
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Every season has an escape goat, even '05. Marte drove me mad that year. '06 was Buehrle in the 2nd half. Last year was the bullpen. This was was the pen and Swisher.


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 Post subject: Re: Swisher a Yankee
PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:27 pm 
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Kenny was a genuis when he got Swisher and a genuis when he got rid of him.If only Kenny could have gotten Lindsey Hunter!!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Swisher a Yankee
PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:29 pm 
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swishers ass clown act will have to be packed up and put away, that crap wont go over in NY.


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 Post subject: Re: Swisher a Yankee
PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:38 pm 
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You mean they are'nt likely to do a commercial with Nicky the Swish doing the worm??? Mercy!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Swisher a Yankee
PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:42 pm 
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With swish traded, Hawk has to be crushed.


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 Post subject: Re: Swisher a Yankee
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I have faith in Kenny Williams, and nothing can be judged until this offseason is complete - as this is one of several moves that will be made.

I was disappointed in Swisher's performance last year, and I know (moving forward) he didn't really have a position to play.

The trading of Swish means Konerko is going nowhere.

And although Swish was due a lot of money, he was under contract through the end of 2012 - so by baseball standards $7M per year for the next three years ain't shit - and $10Million in the option year is a long ass way away.

"Swisher is due $5.3 million in 2009, $6.75 million in 2010 and $9 million in 2011. The team also has an option for 2012 when he would make $10.25 million or the team could buy his option out for $1 million."

But the bottom line, I have tons of faith in Kenny Williams - I was livid last year when they missed out on Torii Hunter and Aaron Rowand - and had to settle for some stiff from the Diamondbacks. How did that one work out? The Sox went just as deep in the playoffs as the vaunted Halos, and Rowand is way, way overpaid. I'm still shocked the Phillies could make the playoffs without him, let alone win the World Series. And hell... his understudy got the gold glove. ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Swisher a Yankee
PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 8:56 pm 
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Mustang Rob wrote:
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If you look at it as:
Batemit, Marquez & Nunez for Texiera, Gio Gonzalez, Sweeney & De los Santos it looks like a terrible net trade.


Why? If Gio were here he'd have been passed by Richard and Poreda. De Los Santos had Tommy John surgery and Sweeney is a 4th OF'er.


If you go by prospect ratings, Gio was #2 in the A's organization & 26 in MLB, while Sweeney was #1 in the Sox org in '07.

If you go by history, Yankee pitching prospects do not pan out very often.

My prediction is that Swisher will rebound to Abreu type numbers in the Yankee line up which rewards patient OBP. type hitters.
Gio will become a solid #3-4 for the A's. Think Danks type numbers from "07.
And Sweeney will put up better numbers Than Batemit.

Marquez had 24 walks and 33 K's in 81 innings in triple A.
That doesn't impress me.

BigFan will be correct to call this move a payroll dump.


I think you're stretching on Gonzalez. He has a great arm but he has a history walking batters and it's not easy to learn to throw strikes at the major league level. He's young so he'll get every opportunity but I'm thinking Rich Hill not Johnny Danks. Sweeney is a nice player but the Sox traded him because they didn't think he would project as a power hitter and 5 HR's in 350+ AB's kinda backs that up. He's young too and can maybe add a power stroke but it was worth the gamble to acquire Swisher.

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 Post subject: Re: Swisher a Yankee
PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 11:59 pm 
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Maybe this means that Paulie won't drop his no trade clause and/or there's no market for him. C'mon Nas, is it that difficult to figure out? The guy absolutely sucked the better part of last year, he's a defensive liability and his body is starting to break down.

Maybe with Swish going to the Yankees - this prevents Texiera from going there. Hmm... Maybe Kenny's in cahoots with the Angels on something. We know Kenny Williams covets Chone Figgins. Nah....


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 Post subject: Re: Swisher a Yankee
PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:16 am 
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It's a shame but swish is cut out of the former (swish0 mold Dave Nicholson .Bye swish been fun,now screw up the Bronx Bombers.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:36 am 
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so long nicK

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 Post subject: Re: Swisher a Yankee
PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:32 am 
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good dolphin wrote:
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My prediction is that Swisher will rebound to Abreu type numbers in the Yankee line up which rewards patient OBP. type hitters.
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That would be quite a rebound as Abreu's worst years are better than Swisher's best in many offensive categories. The shock of the .219 he hit last year should not take your attention away from his .244 career average.


You're right, Dolphin.
Swisher will never reach Abreu's BA numbers, nor his RBI's as he will likely bat 7th or 8th in that line up.
I do see him rebounding back into respectability wth BA in the .260 range and and OBP of .360+
Nick was brought in last season to do the job that CQ ended up taking over, so Kenny is correct to move him as he's to expensive and likely unwilling to fill the Rob Mackowiak role.

The Uribe, Crede, Swisher & Vasquez payroll dollars should net the Sox a solid 2B & CF. So we'll just have to see what else K-dub has up his sleeve.

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 Post subject: Re: Swisher a Yankee
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35thStreet Slick wrote:
But the bottom line, I have tons of faith in Kenny Williams - I was livid last year when they missed out on Torii Hunter and Aaron Rowand - and had to settle for some stiff from the Diamondbacks. How did that one work out? The Sox went just as deep in the playoffs as the vaunted Halos, and Rowand is way, way overpaid. I'm still shocked the Phillies could make the playoffs without him, let alone win the World Series. And hell... his understudy got the gold glove. ;)


You are kidding, right? The Sox are still haunted by not getting Hunter. He would have solved the ongoing CF and speed in the middle of the order problems.

I don't think he gave them a chance to match the Angels, but imagine that outfield an what it would have done for the Sox last year (and yes, they still would have gotten Quentin)

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 Post subject: Re: Swisher a Yankee
PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:11 pm 
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Every season has a scape goat, even '05. Marte drove me mad that year. .


And we probably wish we could get Marte back. He just got paid by the Yanks 3 year/12 million dollar deal.


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 Post subject: Re: Swisher a Yankee
PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:27 pm 
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Hawkeye Vince wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Every season has a scape goat, even '05. Marte drove me mad that year. .


And we probably wish we could get Marte back. He just got paid by the Yanks 3 year/12 million dollar deal.


The Sox will have a better version next year and his name is Joseph Torres. Say goodbye to the Booner!


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 Post subject: Re: Swisher a Yankee
PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 2:24 pm 
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good dolphin wrote:
35thStreet Slick wrote:
But the bottom line, I have tons of faith in Kenny Williams - I was livid last year when they missed out on Torii Hunter and Aaron Rowand - and had to settle for some stiff from the Diamondbacks. How did that one work out? The Sox went just as deep in the playoffs as the vaunted Halos, and Rowand is way, way overpaid. I'm still shocked the Phillies could make the playoffs without him, let alone win the World Series. And hell... his understudy got the gold glove. ;)


You are kidding, right? The Sox are still haunted by not getting Hunter. He would have solved the ongoing CF and speed in the middle of the order problems.

I don't think he gave them a chance to match the Angels, but imagine that outfield an what it would have done for the Sox last year (and yes, they still would have gotten Quentin)


At that ridiculous price tag, I didn't want Hunter. Fuck that.... I have faith in Kenny Williams. You might not Good Dolphin, but to each his own. I'll gladly take the consolation prize of Quentin, who I'm sure Kenny wouldn't have dealt for had he landed Hunter.

You watch, that dude is gonna hit a brick wall - the years of playing on that carpeted concrete will catch up with him in 2010, if not earlier.


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 Post subject: Re: Swisher a Yankee
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At that ridiculous price tag, I didn't want Hunter. Fuck that.... I have faith in Kenny Williams. You might not Good Dolphin, but to each his own. I'll gladly take the consolation prize of Quentin, who I'm sure Kenny wouldn't have dealt for had he landed Hunter.

You watch, that dude is gonna hit a brick wall - the years of playing on that carpeted concrete will catch up with him in 2010, if not earlier.


I have full faith in KW. There is sufficient evidence he would have dealt for Quentin even with Hunter. It was not an either/or move.

Hunter would have had a tremendous impact on 2008. He already would have had an impact on activities for 2009.

Look at all the havoc the lack of a CF has cost this organization for almost half a decade.

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 Post subject: Re: Swisher a Yankee
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good dolphin wrote:
35thStreet Slick wrote:
But the bottom line, I have tons of faith in Kenny Williams - I was livid last year when they missed out on Torii Hunter and Aaron Rowand - and had to settle for some stiff from the Diamondbacks. How did that one work out? The Sox went just as deep in the playoffs as the vaunted Halos, and Rowand is way, way overpaid. I'm still shocked the Phillies could make the playoffs without him, let alone win the World Series. And hell... his understudy got the gold glove. ;)


You are kidding, right? The Sox are still haunted by not getting Hunter. He would have solved the ongoing CF and speed in the middle of the order problems.

I don't think he gave them a chance to match the Angels, but imagine that outfield an what it would have done for the Sox last year (and yes, they still would have gotten Quentin)


At that ridiculous price tag, I didn't want Hunter. Fuck that.... I have faith in Kenny Williams. You might not Good Dolphin, but to each his own. I'll gladly take the consolation prize of Quentin, who I'm sure Kenny wouldn't have dealt for had he landed Hunter.

You watch, that dude is gonna hit a brick wall - the years of playing on that carpeted concrete will catch up with him in 2010, if not earlier.


The sox cut Podsednik and needed a left fielder. Thats why they got Quentin. They also wanted Hunter for Center, but wouldn't pay the price, so they lost out. Had they signed Hunter, they just would have traded Anderson for a minor leaguer. The Quentin deal had no bearing on whether or not they got Hunter. But if it makes you feel better to believe that-go ahead. :lol: Had they gotten Hunter, they would have had a better team and one of the better outfields in the league.

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Elmhurst Steve wrote:

The sox cut Podsednik and needed a left fielder. Thats why they got Quentin. They also wanted Hunter for Center, but wouldn't pay the price, so they lost out. Had they signed Hunter, they just would have traded Anderson for a minor leaguer. The Quentin deal had no bearing on whether or not they got Hunter. But if it makes you feel better to believe that-go ahead. :lol: Had they gotten Hunter, they would have had a better team and one of the better outfields in the league.



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Kiss my ass. I'm a baseball fan. A Cubs fan first and foremost, but a baseball fan, who probably attended more Sox games in the past year than you did. I keep up with the teams and know the players on more teams than just the North side. If there were a section for the Brewers here, I would have opinions there too, as I go to Brewers games-even when the game does not involve the Cubs. I just love the game of Baseball. I'll give my opinion whenever it suits me. If you don't like it, too bad. :cry:

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 Post subject: Re: Swisher a Yankee
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Yeah get off Steve. His attendance at some 32,000 MLB games qualifies him as an expert :roll:

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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
Kiss my ass. I'm a baseball fan. A Cubs fan first and foremost, but a baseball fan, who probably attended more Sox games in the past year than you did.


I went to only 4 Sox games this year...but then again Im a Cub Fan

Relax Steve (Little decaf maybe). It was a Kenny Williams reference.


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