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Velus has been a bust, and now he muffs a kick and (potentially) ends Odunze's rookie season.
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Rome with a knee MRI?




Doesn’t look good, was a really simple play where he didn’t get hit weird or anything.. if your knee goes on a play like that it’s usually not good news.


Let’s hope for the best.

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Rome with a knee MRI?




Doesn’t look good, was a really simple play where he didn’t get hit weird or anything.. if your knee goes on a play like that it’s usually not good news.


Let’s hope for the best.


As Hawg said, I believe Velus Jones rolled his knee the play before. We would probably already know if it was an ACL.

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Rome with a knee MRI?




Doesn’t look good, was a really simple play where he didn’t get hit weird or anything.. if your knee goes on a play like that it’s usually not good news.


Let’s hope for the best.


As Hawg said, I believe Velus Jones rolled his knee the play before. We would probably already know if it was an ACL.
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If I were so inclined (I'm not) I'd show you what some of the true "Generational" type QBs did in year 1 of their career. The Bears gave him.a ready made squad and cleared the decks for him by trading a starting QB in order for him not to compete. If he doesn't have it then there is no excuses for him.

Some were really good as rookies. Most were not. They were better than what Williams was on Sunday but Sunday was just the first game.

Again, just pick a sampling of 5 quarterbacks you hope Williams is as good as. Then look at what they did their rookie years.


Why don't you pick five that you believe he will be since you're so sold on him.

If you think he's great then how great? Is He Mahomes or the 2nd coming of Johnny Manziel? Or Flutie? Whom Swami Brick

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If I were so inclined (I'm not) I'd show you what some of the true "Generational" type QBs did in year 1 of their career. The Bears gave him.a ready made squad and cleared the decks for him by trading a starting QB in order for him not to compete. If he doesn't have it then there is no excuses for him.

Some were really good as rookies. Most were not. They were better than what Williams was on Sunday but Sunday was just the first game.

Again, just pick a sampling of 5 quarterbacks you hope Williams is as good as. Then look at what they did their rookie years.


Brick sure expected the kid to "struggle mightily" during that first game didn't he? Just Asking A Question

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If I were so inclined (I'm not) I'd show you what some of the true "Generational" type QBs did in year 1 of their career. The Bears gave him.a ready made squad and cleared the decks for him by trading a starting QB in order for him not to compete. If he doesn't have it then there is no excuses for him.

Some were really good as rookies. Most were not. They were better than what Williams was on Sunday but Sunday was just the first game.

Again, just pick a sampling of 5 quarterbacks you hope Williams is as good as. Then look at what they did their rookie years.


Why don't you pick five that you believe he will be since you're so sold on him.

If you think he's great then how great? Is He Mahomes or the 2nd coming of Johnny Manziel? Or Flutie? Whom Swami Brick


Who do you believe his comp is?

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Nas wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Brick wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
If I were so inclined (I'm not) I'd show you what some of the true "Generational" type QBs did in year 1 of their career. The Bears gave him.a ready made squad and cleared the decks for him by trading a starting QB in order for him not to compete. If he doesn't have it then there is no excuses for him.

Some were really good as rookies. Most were not. They were better than what Williams was on Sunday but Sunday was just the first game.

Again, just pick a sampling of 5 quarterbacks you hope Williams is as good as. Then look at what they did their rookie years.


Why don't you pick five that you believe he will be since you're so sold on him.

If you think he's great then how great? Is He Mahomes or the 2nd coming of Johnny Manziel? Or Flutie? Whom Swami Brick


Who do you believe his comp is?


Jameis Winston

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
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If I were so inclined (I'm not) I'd show you what some of the true "Generational" type QBs did in year 1 of their career. The Bears gave him.a ready made squad and cleared the decks for him by trading a starting QB in order for him not to compete. If he doesn't have it then there is no excuses for him.

Some were really good as rookies. Most were not. They were better than what Williams was on Sunday but Sunday was just the first game.

Again, just pick a sampling of 5 quarterbacks you hope Williams is as good as. Then look at what they did their rookie years.


Why don't you pick five that you believe he will be since you're so sold on him.

If you think he's great then how great? Is He Mahomes or the 2nd coming of Johnny Manziel? Or Flutie? Whom Swami Brick

The point is that you can't really predict greatness from the rookie year of a quarterback. Some great rookie years ended up not working out long term(RGIII, Watson, Winston). Some bad to average rookie years, if they even played, ended up being HOF players(Brees, Manning, Fields).

I think Williams will be good this year and great next year.

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Nas wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Brick wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
If I were so inclined (I'm not) I'd show you what some of the true "Generational" type QBs did in year 1 of their career. The Bears gave him.a ready made squad and cleared the decks for him by trading a starting QB in order for him not to compete. If he doesn't have it then there is no excuses for him.

Some were really good as rookies. Most were not. They were better than what Williams was on Sunday but Sunday was just the first game.

Again, just pick a sampling of 5 quarterbacks you hope Williams is as good as. Then look at what they did their rookie years.


Why don't you pick five that you believe he will be since you're so sold on him.

If you think he's great then how great? Is He Mahomes or the 2nd coming of Johnny Manziel? Or Flutie? Whom Swami Brick


Who do you believe his comp is?


Jameis Winston

How, Jameis is a large individual?

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Nas wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Brick wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
If I were so inclined (I'm not) I'd show you what some of the true "Generational" type QBs did in year 1 of their career. The Bears gave him.a ready made squad and cleared the decks for him by trading a starting QB in order for him not to compete. If he doesn't have it then there is no excuses for him.

Some were really good as rookies. Most were not. They were better than what Williams was on Sunday but Sunday was just the first game.

Again, just pick a sampling of 5 quarterbacks you hope Williams is as good as. Then look at what they did their rookie years.


Why don't you pick five that you believe he will be since you're so sold on him.

If you think he's great then how great? Is He Mahomes or the 2nd coming of Johnny Manziel? Or Flutie? Whom Swami Brick


Who do you believe his comp is?


Jameis Winston


Okay.

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Hawg Ass wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Nas wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Brick wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
If I were so inclined (I'm not) I'd show you what some of the true "Generational" type QBs did in year 1 of their career. The Bears gave him.a ready made squad and cleared the decks for him by trading a starting QB in order for him not to compete. If he doesn't have it then there is no excuses for him.

Some were really good as rookies. Most were not. They were better than what Williams was on Sunday but Sunday was just the first game.

Again, just pick a sampling of 5 quarterbacks you hope Williams is as good as. Then look at what they did their rookie years.


Why don't you pick five that you believe he will be since you're so sold on him.

If you think he's great then how great? Is He Mahomes or the 2nd coming of Johnny Manziel? Or Flutie? Whom Swami Brick


Who do you believe his comp is?


Jameis Winston

How, Jameis is a large individual?
Yeah. He is much closer to Rodney Peete.

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LGBTQ Guy just cant stop lusting after his crush fields. He must be jealous of all the defensive tackles Field's runs into for sacks. Wishes he could trade places.

It's friggen hilarious that LGBT Pronoun Guy doesn't realize he's comparing a four year vet against a rookie and thinking its a good thing that the four year vet looked decent when compared to a rookie.

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LGBTQ Guy just cant stop lusting after his crush fields. He must be jealous of all the defensive tackles Field's runs into for sacks. Wishes he could trade places.

It's friggen hilarious that LGBT Pronoun Guy doesn't realize he's comparing a four year vet against a rookie and thinking its a good thing that the four year vet looked decent when compared to a rookie.


The return of the boring mult with the "weirdo" fetish

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Hawg Ass wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Nas wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Brick wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
If I were so inclined (I'm not) I'd show you what some of the true "Generational" type QBs did in year 1 of their career. The Bears gave him.a ready made squad and cleared the decks for him by trading a starting QB in order for him not to compete. If he doesn't have it then there is no excuses for him.

Some were really good as rookies. Most were not. They were better than what Williams was on Sunday but Sunday was just the first game.

Again, just pick a sampling of 5 quarterbacks you hope Williams is as good as. Then look at what they did their rookie years.


Why don't you pick five that you believe he will be since you're so sold on him.

If you think he's great then how great? Is He Mahomes or the 2nd coming of Johnny Manziel? Or Flutie? Whom Swami Brick


Who do you believe his comp is?


Jameis Winston

How, Jameis is a large individual?


He obviously meant Career "comp".

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How, Jameis is a large individual?
Yeah. He is much closer to Rodney Peete.


OK he will be closer to Johnny Manziel than he will Patrick Mahomes. Book it!

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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
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LGBTQ Guy just cant stop lusting after his crush fields. He must be jealous of all the defensive tackles Field's runs into for sacks. Wishes he could trade places.

It's friggen hilarious that LGBT Pronoun Guy doesn't realize he's comparing a four year vet against a rookie and thinking its a good thing that the four year vet looked decent when compared to a rookie.


The return of the boring mult with the "weirdo" fetish


Evading the point like libs evade common sense. Are you also satisfied when fourth graders out perform first graders. Didnt think so.

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How, Jameis is a large individual?
Yeah. He is much closer to Rodney Peete.


OK he will be closer to Johnny Manziel than he will Patrick Mahomes. Book it!

There are QBs in the HOF that are closer to Johnny Manziel than they are to Patrick Mahomes.

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Brick wrote:
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How, Jameis is a large individual?
Yeah. He is much closer to Rodney Peete.


OK he will be closer to Johnny Manziel than he will Patrick Mahomes. Book it!

There are QBs in the HOF that are closer to Johnny Manziel than they are to Patrick Mahomes.


OK like ŵho?
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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
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The Doctor Of Style wrote:
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How, Jameis is a large individual?
Yeah. He is much closer to Rodney Peete.


OK he will be closer to Johnny Manziel than he will Patrick Mahomes. Book it!

There are QBs in the HOF that are closer to Johnny Manziel than they are to Patrick Mahomes.


OK like ŵho?
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... nzJo00.htm

Joe Namath and Bob Griese.

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Brick wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
Brick wrote:
The Doctor Of Style wrote:
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How, Jameis is a large individual?
Yeah. He is much closer to Rodney Peete.


OK he will be closer to Johnny Manziel than he will Patrick Mahomes. Book it!

There are QBs in the HOF that are closer to Johnny Manziel than they are to Patrick Mahomes.


OK like ŵho?
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... nzJo00.htm

Joe Namath and Bob Griese.


Brick thinks that Johnny Manziel was close to making the Hall Of Fame :lol: :lol:

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I think that's just saying those guys are pedestrian in comparison to a Mahomes. Basically that they're closer to being NFL busts than possibly in a GOAT discussion.

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Rome is week to week with an MCL strain.

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I think that's just saying those guys are pedestrian in comparison to a Mahomes. Basically that they're closer to being NFL busts than possibly in a GOAT discussion.

Yup. Though with Namath it is true also.

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Rome is week to week with an MCL strain.

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Rome is week to week with an MCL strain.

You deserve this and I will not apologize.


That's fair. I thought about that as well.

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Rome is week to week with an MCL strain.

You deserve this and I will not apologize.


That's fair. I thought about that as well.

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I think that's just saying those guys are pedestrian in comparison to a Mahomes. Basically that they're closer to being NFL busts than possibly in a GOAT discussion.


Johnny Manziel played in 14 NFL games. That pretty much ends the comp right there.

Johnny Manziel was a bust.Namath and Griese were not. Their Comp. Would be someone like a Tomczak I guess stats wise.

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I think that's just saying those guys are pedestrian in comparison to a Mahomes. Basically that they're closer to being NFL busts than possibly in a GOAT discussion.


Johnny Manziel played in 14 NFL games. That pretty much ends the comp right there.

Johnny Manziel was a bust.


I think it's paying respect to Brady and Mahomes. As someone who isn't 80, I also think the gap between NFL player and Bob Griese is wider than Bob Griese and Patrick Mahomes.

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Calling a guy a bust after his debut game is downright stupid.
Calling him great before he plays a game is stupid

I do recall predicting that statistically, this rookie season, Fields would likely have better numbers.

History is filled with guys who debuted to historic games (say for example tuffy rhodes) and guys who became hall of farmers who who struggled for a year or more.

We gave fields 3 years to show improvement. He never did. Let's give Williams a chance to see if he can adjust to the NFL and it's speed.

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