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Interesting to hear Thayer agree with me that they should give Pryor a look at guard, much bigger guy that should at least hold up at the point of attack.

This would be the week to tinker, Colts do not have anywhere near the talent at DE and DT the Bears have faced in the first two weeks.


Buckner just went on IR. They definitely will be a downgrade from the first two weeks. I want to see no less than 25 rushes and if its working, just run it down their throats all day. Bears have more than enough talent at RB to do that and the OL has done it in the past (except for Sheldon). Run right between the guard and tackle

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Interesting to hear Thayer agree with me that they should give Pryor a look at guard, much bigger guy that should at least hold up at the point of attack.

This would be the week to tinker, Colts do not have anywhere near the talent at DE and DT the Bears have faced in the first two weeks.


Buckner just went on IR. They definitely will be a downgrade from the first two weeks. I want to see no less than 25 rushes and if its working, just run it down their throats all day. Bears have more than enough talent at RB to do that and the OL has done it in the past (except for Sheldon). Run right between the guard and tackle

Seems like a familiar game plan to the one I watched on Sunday.

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Bears have more than enough talent at RB


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Bears have more than enough talent at RB


Do they though?

Depends what for? To be a mediocre NFL team that wins eight-ish games? Sure, they have more than enough running back talent to stay out of the basement (as in if they finish last place in the North it will be because of their deficiencies elsewhere).

But no, it’s not good enough for an actually good & meaningfully competitive NFL team. The depth is there but Swift is not on that level as the number one back. He wasn’t for Philly last year and he won’t be that for the Bears this year.


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He’s no Josh Jacobs.

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I know you guys don't follow the NFL but Herbert has a 4.8 YPC over 368 carries and Swift went to the pro bowl last year

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Center repeatedly gets pancaked.

Right guard routinely is an idiot.

Swift routinely goes off script.

It's all bad. They've got to, got to pick someone up off someone's bench. This could go very sideways and ruin Williams.

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He says Caleb has done a great job with what he's been asked to do.

Has he been asked to be terrible at football?

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He says Caleb has done a great job with what he's been asked to do.

Has he been asked to be terrible at football?

I think the approach is solid.

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Center repeatedly gets pancaked.

Right guard routinely is an idiot.

Swift routinely goes off script.

It's all bad. They've got to, got to pick someone up off someone's bench. This could go very sideways and ruin Williams.





They’ve got Swift, Herbert, and Roschon.. plenty of depth and talent at the position. People are panicking a little bit too much here imo. I’d agree that the O-line is bad -it’s been bad for years now- but I think there’s other things at play too compounding the issues. Rookie QB, everyone’s 1st year in this offense, Coordinator can’t seem to settle on the right personnel, and they just played a team that may wind up having a top-5 defense by the end of the year.


It’s too early imo to want to tear everything down. This thing needs more time. It sucks to have to sit thru this yet again, but it needs more time to fully develop. My prediction prior to the season was 8-9 games into the season before things would look better/consistent.. I’m sticking with that. I felt they’d be 4-4 around that point and they’re still on track for that.

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NME wrote:
City of Fools wrote:
Center repeatedly gets pancaked.

Right guard routinely is an idiot.

Swift routinely goes off script.

It's all bad. They've got to, got to pick someone up off someone's bench. This could go very sideways and ruin Williams.





They’ve got Swift, Herbert, and Roschon.. plenty of depth and talent at the position. People are panicking a little bit too much here imo. I’d agree that the O-line is bad -it’s been bad for years now- but I think there’s other things at play too compounding the issues. Rookie QB, everyone’s 1st year in this offense, Coordinator can’t seem to settle on the right personnel, and they just played a team that may wind up having a top-5 defense by the end of the year.


It’s too early imo to want to tear everything down. This thing needs more time. It sucks to have to sit thru this yet again, but it needs more time to fully develop. My prediction prior to the season was 8-9 games into the season before things would look better/consistent.. I’m sticking with that. I felt they’d be 4-4 around that point and they’re still on track for that.


I agree that it will be midseason before we have a solid idea of what the identity of the offense really is. I think that's true for most teams, though, not just a young team like the Bears. The elimination of training camp two-a-days and the reduction of hitting in practices significantly constricts the ability of offenses to prepare for the regular season. That said, Waldron has already made some very curious decisions, which makes me question his potential to be a high-level NFL coordinator. We need to start seeing a few plays that the Bears can consistently execute well, and we're nowhere close to that point yet.

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Tall Midget wrote:
NME wrote:
City of Fools wrote:
Center repeatedly gets pancaked.

Right guard routinely is an idiot.

Swift routinely goes off script.

It's all bad. They've got to, got to pick someone up off someone's bench. This could go very sideways and ruin Williams.





They’ve got Swift, Herbert, and Roschon.. plenty of depth and talent at the position. People are panicking a little bit too much here imo. I’d agree that the O-line is bad -it’s been bad for years now- but I think there’s other things at play too compounding the issues. Rookie QB, everyone’s 1st year in this offense, Coordinator can’t seem to settle on the right personnel, and they just played a team that may wind up having a top-5 defense by the end of the year.


It’s too early imo to want to tear everything down. This thing needs more time. It sucks to have to sit thru this yet again, but it needs more time to fully develop. My prediction prior to the season was 8-9 games into the season before things would look better/consistent.. I’m sticking with that. I felt they’d be 4-4 around that point and they’re still on track for that.


I agree that it will be midseason before we have a solid idea of what the identity of the offense really is. I think that's true for most teams, though, not just a young team like the Bears. The elimination of training camp two-a-days and the reduction of hitting in practices significantly constricts the ability of offenses to prepare for the regular season. That said, Waldron has already made some very curious decisions, which makes me question his potential to be a high-level NFL coordinator. We need to start seeing a few plays that the Bears can consistently execute well, and we're nowhere close to that point yet.

that's a lot of words that seem to indicate potential better days. I'm not seeing things getting any better with the O Line and I could see it getting much worse. The only reprieve would be some sort of aquisition.

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City of Fools wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
NME wrote:
City of Fools wrote:
Center repeatedly gets pancaked.

Right guard routinely is an idiot.

Swift routinely goes off script.

It's all bad. They've got to, got to pick someone up off someone's bench. This could go very sideways and ruin Williams.





They’ve got Swift, Herbert, and Roschon.. plenty of depth and talent at the position. People are panicking a little bit too much here imo. I’d agree that the O-line is bad -it’s been bad for years now- but I think there’s other things at play too compounding the issues. Rookie QB, everyone’s 1st year in this offense, Coordinator can’t seem to settle on the right personnel, and they just played a team that may wind up having a top-5 defense by the end of the year.


It’s too early imo to want to tear everything down. This thing needs more time. It sucks to have to sit thru this yet again, but it needs more time to fully develop. My prediction prior to the season was 8-9 games into the season before things would look better/consistent.. I’m sticking with that. I felt they’d be 4-4 around that point and they’re still on track for that.


I agree that it will be midseason before we have a solid idea of what the identity of the offense really is. I think that's true for most teams, though, not just a young team like the Bears. The elimination of training camp two-a-days and the reduction of hitting in practices significantly constricts the ability of offenses to prepare for the regular season. That said, Waldron has already made some very curious decisions, which makes me question his potential to be a high-level NFL coordinator. We need to start seeing a few plays that the Bears can consistently execute well, and we're nowhere close to that point yet.

that's a lot of words that seem to indicate potential better days. I'm not seeing things getting any better with the O Line and I could see it getting much worse. The only reprieve would be some sort of aquisition.


Five sentences is a lot of words? You must have the attention span of lint.

Williams was very good last week against a four-man front. When the defense blitzed, he struggled. This was partially due to Houston's physical dominance, partially due to poor technique by the offensive line, partially due to assignment mixups by the line and skill position players, and partially due to errors by Williams. All of these problems are (theoretically at least) temporary, thereby suggesting there's some hope for the offense.

Was that short enough for ya?

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Five sentences is a lot of words? You must have the attention span of lint.

Williams was very good last week against a four-man front. When the defense blitzed, he struggled. This was partially due to Houston's physical dominance, partially due to poor technique by the offensive line, partially due to assignment mixups by the line and skill position players, and partially due to errors by Williams. All of these problems are (theoretically at least) temporary, thereby suggesting there's some hope for the offense.

Was that short enough for ya?

He was OK to start that game. “Very good” is scoring touchdowns and driving the ball quickly. Big gains and fast scores. He made a few decent plays but nothing that moved the ball downfield and certainly never strung anything together into a big touchdown drive. Brief flashes of average play interspersed with mediocrity and catastrophe.


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Williams was very good last week against a four-man front. When the defense blitzed, he struggled. This was partially due to Houston's physical dominance, partially due to poor technique by the offensive line, partially due to assignment mixups by the line and skill position players, and partially due to errors by Williams. All of these problems are (theoretically at least) temporary, thereby suggesting there's some hope for the offense.




Agreed. And basically what I’m thinking too. Lots of moving parts to this stuff not working, and alot of it is stuff that requires more time to work out.


Now if it was year 2 of Williams and Waldron and we were seeing this (like with Getsy and Fields)? Then yeah, we’ve got to start having a different conversation altogether for sure.

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Tall Midget wrote:
City of Fools wrote:
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City of Fools wrote:
Center repeatedly gets pancaked.

Right guard routinely is an idiot.

Swift routinely goes off script.

It's all bad. They've got to, got to pick someone up off someone's bench. This could go very sideways and ruin Williams.





They’ve got Swift, Herbert, and Roschon.. plenty of depth and talent at the position. People are panicking a little bit too much here imo. I’d agree that the O-line is bad -it’s been bad for years now- but I think there’s other things at play too compounding the issues. Rookie QB, everyone’s 1st year in this offense, Coordinator can’t seem to settle on the right personnel, and they just played a team that may wind up having a top-5 defense by the end of the year.


It’s too early imo to want to tear everything down. This thing needs more time. It sucks to have to sit thru this yet again, but it needs more time to fully develop. My prediction prior to the season was 8-9 games into the season before things would look better/consistent.. I’m sticking with that. I felt they’d be 4-4 around that point and they’re still on track for that.


I agree that it will be midseason before we have a solid idea of what the identity of the offense really is. I think that's true for most teams, though, not just a young team like the Bears. The elimination of training camp two-a-days and the reduction of hitting in practices significantly constricts the ability of offenses to prepare for the regular season. That said, Waldron has already made some very curious decisions, which makes me question his potential to be a high-level NFL coordinator. We need to start seeing a few plays that the Bears can consistently execute well, and we're nowhere close to that point yet.

that's a lot of words that seem to indicate potential better days. I'm not seeing things getting any better with the O Line and I could see it getting much worse. The only reprieve would be some sort of aquisition.


Five sentences is a lot of words? You must have the attention span of lint.

Williams was very good last week against a four-man front. When the defense blitzed, he struggled. This was partially due to Houston's physical dominance, partially due to poor technique by the offensive line, partially due to assignment mixups by the line and skill position players, and partially due to errors by Williams. All of these problems are (theoretically at least) temporary, thereby suggesting there's some hope for the offense.

Was that short enough for ya?

slow down, I can't write that fast.

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They really did Caleb a disservice by not getting a veteran center to make the line calls, but that ain't gonna change, so you need to dumb everything down.

Start by putting Pryor in at guard, he is not a star, but a bigger guy you can run behind.

Come out with two TE's, Lewis and Kmet, run your biggest back off tackle or off guard a few times, no silly reverses or pitch outs until you establish that you can execute a basic run play. The guys you have on the o line cannot figure out who to block, so just tell them to block the guy right in front of them.

You cannot run play action from shotgun because your center is getting pushed into the QB's lap, get rid of that play until next year when you find a center.

Guess Waldron did not watch college football where the QB stands there while the OC reads the D and tells him what to do, having a rookie QB try to make protection calls at the line of scrimmage when he never had to do that before is kind of silly when you think about it.

There is likely a ton of interesting footage detailing the Bears offensive line struggles on the cutting room floor at the Hard Knocks studios. The reason why the episodes seemed so phony make perfect sense, there is no way they could have exposed the teams failures on the offensive line, it would have made Poles look like a bumbling idiot rather than the sympathetic guy they showed.


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They really did Caleb a disservice by not getting a veteran center to make the line calls, but that ain't gonna change, so you need to dumb everything down.



There is likely a ton of interesting footage detailing the Bears offensive line struggles on the cutting room floor at the Hard Knocks studios. The reason why the episodes seemed so phony make perfect sense, there is no way they could have exposed the teams failures on the offensive line, it would have made Poles look like a bumbling idiot rather than the sympathetic guy they showed.




They did give him a veteran Center, he's terrible so far tho so thats a problem. I think they fucked up by not drafting someone like Zach Frazier out of WV. Yeah he's be a rookie but his early returns with the Steelers (a team that can actually evaluate talent) have been phenomenal so far. Why couldn't the Bears scouting identify that? The Steelers had been following that kid around going all the way back to the college season being live. Just draft the best rookie C and let them all grow together, thats how you rebuild a team properly.


I also think this team has a coaching problem, its been the one consistent for this O-line the last few years and it deserves a large target taped to its back at this point.


As for the last point, I dont disagree here but it would make even less sense for them to put that tape out and give even more info to potential opponents so I dont have as much an issue with it. As is I think 'Hard Knocks' is useless entertainment that can only hurt a team while not helping it in any way. Its hilarious to me that the NFL forces it on teams when its not needed at all to promote a juggernaut of a league. They should put more effort into the quality of the product on the field than the heavily manufactured version they keep pushing off of it. Just my 2 cents

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You cannot run a sweep in that situation. Terrible play call

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For the third consecutive game, there were several plays where Williams and his receivers weren't on the same page. Waldron needs to straighten this out.

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I expect a Matt Nagy-esque "we didn't run the ball enough and that's on me" press conference apology where next game they run even less.


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DeAndre Carter gave Waldron a WTF look on the goal line play where he got destroyed. Overall, the offense often looks confused and lackadaisical.

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Waldron is a dope.

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Waldron is a dope.


Things appear to be trending in that direction.

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Getsy and Nagy were never as bad as Waldron has been. We found the one dope from the McVay wing..

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DeAndre Carter isn't the only player questioning Waldron's calls:



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DeAndre Carter isn't the only player questioning Waldron's calls:


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DeAndre Carter isn't the only player questioning Waldron's calls:



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