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As bad as the line was last night I thought Caleb looked better than he should have. I don't think things are too big for him. Which I think is a good sign.

Caleb and Odunze are both seeing how much faster the game is than it was in practice and in the preseason.

The defense looks really good.

The o line is atrocious. Jones is the only one that I think has been decent. Jenkins has had ok moments. But the rest of them have been hot garbage. Wright looks to have gotten worse since last year. They have to fix the center position. That is the foundation of it all. If they get a center that is capable then it helps all the other issues.

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We have seen several years of the Chris Morgan act os offensive line coach. Poles and the rest of the Bears leadership continue to tell us that he is elite. At this point, all of the evidence suggests that he is below average at best. The offensive line is worse than the sum of its parts. That is a classic coaching problem.

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We have seen several years of the Chris Morgan act os offensive line coach. Poles and the rest of the Bears leadership continue to tell us that he is elite. At this point, all of the evidence suggests that he is below average at best. The offensive line is worse than the sum of its parts. That is a classic coaching problem.

And how in the hell have they forgot how to run block? Last year they could at least run the ball.

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I also think this shows how much of a mistake it was to trade Fields for what is still probably a 6th round pick but it's getting closer to the incredibly valuable 4th round pick.

Williams either isn't ready or he's being put in a tough situation with little experience. Fields could just as easily get us 150 yards a game passing and Williams could take his spot in week 6 or 8.


I think Fields wins that game yesterday. I've said all along, I think he is more valuable than a sixth or a fourth. The market said otherwise. I'm glad we have Caleb.

Maybe he doesn't throw 2 picks. I doubt he puts up better other passing stats.

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I also think this shows how much of a mistake it was to trade Fields for what is still probably a 6th round pick but it's getting closer to the incredibly valuable 4th round pick.

Williams either isn't ready or he's being put in a tough situation with little experience. Fields could just as easily get us 150 yards a game passing and Williams could take his spot in week 6 or 8.


I think Fields wins that game yesterday. I've said all along, I think he is more valuable than a sixth or a fourth. The market said otherwise. I'm glad we have Caleb.

Maybe he doesn't throw 2 picks. I doubt he puts up better other passing stats.

We saw many games like that during Fields’ tenure. His collapsing in one score games became a meme.

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Fields would have hit DJ Moore. I think that’s why you saw Moore boil over, he knew the guy he played with last year would’ve made that play and they dealt him off for a day three draft pick. Not that I think making that play changes the game outcome.


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I also think this shows how much of a mistake it was to trade Fields for what is still probably a 6th round pick but it's getting closer to the incredibly valuable 4th round pick.

Williams either isn't ready or he's being put in a tough situation with little experience. Fields could just as easily get us 150 yards a game passing and Williams could take his spot in week 6 or 8.


I think Fields wins that game yesterday. I've said all along, I think he is more valuable than a sixth or a fourth. The market said otherwise. I'm glad we have Caleb.

Maybe he doesn't throw 2 picks. I doubt he puts up better other passing stats.


He would have run

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We passed on Jalen Carter for this



Should have also been Roughing the Passer, hey I don't make the fagggy rules, but you have the enforce them consistently.


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I also think this shows how much of a mistake it was to trade Fields for what is still probably a 6th round pick but it's getting closer to the incredibly valuable 4th round pick.

Williams either isn't ready or he's being put in a tough situation with little experience. Fields could just as easily get us 150 yards a game passing and Williams could take his spot in week 6 or 8.


I think Fields wins that game yesterday. I've said all along, I think he is more valuable than a sixth or a fourth. The market said otherwise. I'm glad we have Caleb.

Maybe he doesn't throw 2 picks. I doubt he puts up better other passing stats.


He would have run

Williams had 5 carriers for 44 yards. Fields only had 2 games last year he ran for more than 59 yards and in those 59 and less yard games he was running about 10 times per game. The elite running Justin Fields disappeared prior to last season outside of one game.

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Brick wrote:
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I also think this shows how much of a mistake it was to trade Fields for what is still probably a 6th round pick but it's getting closer to the incredibly valuable 4th round pick.

Williams either isn't ready or he's being put in a tough situation with little experience. Fields could just as easily get us 150 yards a game passing and Williams could take his spot in week 6 or 8.


I think Fields wins that game yesterday. I've said all along, I think he is more valuable than a sixth or a fourth. The market said otherwise. I'm glad we have Caleb.

Maybe he doesn't throw 2 picks. I doubt he puts up better other passing stats.

He certainly doesn’t lead the team down the field on the last possession to score the game-winning touchdown we know that much

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Coleman Shelton tried to embed this tweet


Coleman Shelton has been our second-best lineman this season according to PFF.

Morgan and/or Waldron have to go.

Braxton Jones, Wright, and even Jenkins are regressing.

Also, D'Andre Swift appears to be a rotation player, not a legitimate starting running back.

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Also, D'Andre Swift appears to be a rotation player, not a legitimate starting running back.



If true, that's pretty damn disheartening considering we minted him a top 10 running back, salary wise. Personally I wanted to throw that money at Danielle Hunter who was all in Caleb's ass last night.


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Coleman Shelton tried to embed this tweet


Also, D'Andre Swift appears to be a rotation player, not a legitimate starting running back.


If they keep calling those screen plays to him then he will be rotating on and off the IL.


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Also, D'Andre Swift appears to be a rotation player, not a legitimate starting running back.



If true, that's pretty damn disheartening considering we minted him a top 10 running back, salary wise. Personally I wanted to throw that money at Danielle Hunter who was all in Caleb's ass last night.


I also wanted D.Hunter. Poles seems to not value the trenches and that is disturbing.


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In addition to the human exrament that is Shelton and Davis, Swift is a terrible pass blocker too. They might have to dust the mothballs off Roschon Johnson, though if he's in the game you know it's a pass



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Should have also been Roughing the Passer, hey I don't make the fagggy rules, but you have the enforce them consistently.


Wright can't move his feet quickly enough to play tackle. At least, that's the way it looks to me.

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Should have also been Roughing the Passer, hey I don't make the fagggy rules, but you have the enforce them consistently.


Wright can't move his feet quickly enough to play tackle. At least, that's the way it looks to me.


i was calling for that roughing flag when it happened live. watching the replay that was a devastating hit where he drove caleb into the ground. clay mathews would have been suspended 4 weeks.


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We have seen several years of the Chris Morgan act os offensive line coach. Poles and the rest of the Bears leadership continue to tell us that he is elite. At this point, all of the evidence suggests that he is below average at best. The offensive line is worse than the sum of its parts. That is a classic coaching problem.

And how in the hell have they forgot how to run block? Last year they could at least run the ball.


I like Chris Morgan, but he is the run game coordinator now. That and Waldron could be the problem with the run game. He hates Herbert.

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We have seen several years of the Chris Morgan act os offensive line coach. Poles and the rest of the Bears leadership continue to tell us that he is elite. At this point, all of the evidence suggests that he is below average at best. The offensive line is worse than the sum of its parts. That is a classic coaching problem.

And how in the hell have they forgot how to run block? Last year they could at least run the ball.


I like Chris Morgan, but he is the run game coordinator now. That and Waldron could be the problem with the run game. He hates Herbert.

Swift runs with zero violent intent. That's fine if you're a 3rd down tippy toed speed demon.

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Has Johnson gotten a carry this year? His whole purpose is to hit people. I assume he’s a special teams blocker - great use of a roster spot - but if something needs hitting, you use Johnson.

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I forgot about the Yale OL guy they drafted in the third round. Apparently he’s walking through that door.

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Should have also been Roughing the Passer, hey I don't make the fagggy rules, but you have the enforce them consistently.


Wright can't move his feet quickly enough to play tackle. At least, that's the way it looks to me.


Scouts had Wright rated as a potential Pro Bowl guard, but an average to below average tackle, you see that proven each week, he struggles with outside speed.

You can see how Poles struggles to identify offensive line talent, but the inability of the coaching staff to develop and coach up the younger offensive lineman is more concerning.

Wondering if the Bears made HBO cut any footage they had of offensive line concerns, Poles should have been crying about his lack of talent on the o line and not about cutting a practice squad DB.

Your roster is so flimsy that you have limited options, maybe take a look at Kramer at center and Pryor at RG. Pryor is a bigger body and maybe is at least interested in playing football, but anyone would be a better alternative to the failed Nate Davis experiment.

The long term construction of the o line likely will be Wright at RG with maybe Jones at RT, you will need to find NFL starting level guys at C, LG, and LT.


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Poles needs a roster sommelier: you don't pair a leaky o-line with a QB coming out of college with a record high time to throw and a sack rate on pressures north of 20%. Williams may or (so far) may not be an NFL QB. Someone (Lombardi? maybe, he hates everything non-Belichick) compared K-Mid to another under-sized scrambling QB who wowed fans and scouts with his off-platform throws and ability to extend plays with stubby lil legs....Johnny Football Manziel.

At USC Williams would hang in the pocket for 2 or 3 Mississippi as an NPC and then when it inevitably collapsed he'd roll out and begin quarterbacking the play. Possibly he figured doing that gave his receivers ample time to get extra open and made for easy completions.

Bears could've drafted Mahomes, spent draft capital to move up and take Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky instead. Bears could've drafted Coleridge Bernard "C. J." Stroud IV...and decided to punt on the year in favor of Williams. Maybe teams like the Bears, Jets, Panthers should hire someone to attend the draft, and when they put in their pick for a QB they intercept it and change it to any other QB in the draft.


Still time for the Bears to tank for the next Matty Ice, Miller Time Moss:



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Moss looks great,seems to be making the right decisions.
Still kicking myself for not betting them in their bowl game kast year.

Heard a breakdown of the upcoming USC season and they said (via their analytics) that the only Riley QB that Williams was better than was Spencer Rattler.
Expectations should be expect a better season with Moss at QB.

Led me to betting them against LSU and the season win total over.


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I'm still fine we passed on Carter.

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They’re all 1st-round picks, they all played at Georgia, they’re all 23 or 24, they’re all in their second or third year and they’re all struggling.

Jordan Davis, Jalen Carter and Nolan Smith are kind of like a package deal, three best friends who were part of a national championship team or two in Athens.

The Eagles drafted the trio in a two-year span after drafting only three 1st-round defensive linemen in the previous 15 years – Brandon Graham 13th in 2010, Fletcher Cox 12th in 2012 and Derek Barnett 14th in 2017.

Davis was the 13th pick in 2022, Carter and Smith the ninth and 30th picks in 2023.

The Eagles drafted them to form the heart of a rebuilt defensive line that over a three-year period will lose four Pro Bowlers - Javon Hargrave to free agency after the 2022 season, Cox to retirement and Haason Reddick in a trade after last year and Graham to retirement after this season.

So far, all three have been disappointments to varying degrees, and the early returns this year are ominous.

These three 1st-round picks have combined for one solo tackle, no quarterback hits, no tackles for loss, no sacks and no hurries in the Eagles’ first two games.

“I think all three guys have shown moments of ... having a lot of good plays and all of them have had bumps too,” Nick Sirianni said this week. “But that's every player, that's not just limited to those guys.

“We're 1-1 at this particular point so there's going to be good plays, there's going to be bad plays but a lot of confidence in those guys and their abilities to (show why) we drafted them in the first place and what they can add to our defense.”

Two games in, Carter, Davis and Smith don’t have a sack and don’t have a tackle for loss. Davis has no solo tackles and one quarterback hit. Davis has one solo tackle and no quarterback hits. And Smith has one solo tackle and no QB hits.

Thomas Booker, a futures contract player who's only played 17 snaps, has more tackles than all of them combined.

Carter and Davis have had some flashes. They’ve both gotten double teamed at times, and Carter had his hands full with a two-time Pro Bowl guard in Chris Lindstrom Monday night.

But the bottom line is they were brought here to dominate, they’ve played a total of 215 snaps and not one of them has made a single impact play.

Defensive coordinator Vic Fangio said the three Georgia guys won’t be able to make those sort of game-changing plays until the Eagles are able to stop the run, his logic being that it’s difficult for defensive linemen to get tackles for loss, hurries or sacks when teams are rarely in third-and-long.

“When you talk about the 1st-round picks, I think it's a lot of the same," he said. "When you talk production … you're talking sacks and pressures and stuff. And until we do a better job of playing the run, those aren't coming. That's for sure. And we all have to do a better job, that's starting with me, of playing the run better.”

That makes sense in theory, but the reality is that the Eagles have faced 14 third downs of 3rd-and-5 or more. That’s tied for seventh-most in the league.

So the opportunities have been there.

The production hasn’t.

And that’s scary because general manager Howie Roseman has devoted a tremendous amount of assets to these three. Davis is in Year 3 now and Carter and Smith in Year 2. At least Carter had a great first six weeks last year but he hasn’t approached that level of dominance yet this year.

Carter and Davis haven’t been in the locker room this week while it was open to the media. Davis actually hasn’t all year. Smith declined an interview request on Thursday.

Carter did speak briefly after the loss to the Falcons Monday night and said he was disappointed in how he played.

“It was very frustrating,” he said. “Me, no game is perfect for me. No game is good for me. I always got to higher a standard for myself and what I want to do. If I have a game where I have three sacks, why not six? So that's just my mindset with it.

Carter was in the news for the wrong reason this week after being benched for the Falcons’ first series Monday night after being late for a team meeting.

The combination of coming across as undisciplined and unproductive as a top-10 pick is not a good one.

“My message (to Carter) is just continue to be a professional,” Graham said. “Stuff's gonna happen. I know for him, he's come way, way farther than when he started. I'm going to make sure when they do stuff, let them know, ‘Hey, you’re going to get punished for this.’ As much as it hurt me to do it, I gotta do it. They don't want to do it, but if you do stuff, how else are you going to learn?”

Carter, Davis and Smith aren’t the Eagles’ only concerns on defense. Bryce Huff looks lost. Josh Sweat has gone nine straight games without a sack. Missed tackles, blown coverages and miscommunication have been the rule through two weeks.

Not surprisingly, the Eagles are 27th in points allowed, 28th in sacks per pass play, last in rushing yards allowed per carry, 30th in yards allowed and tied for 30th in takeaways going into their game Sunday against the Saints at the Superdome, where they'll face the 4th-highest-scoring offense in NFL history through two weeks.

The Eagles drafted Smith to rush the passer, they drafted Davis to stop the run and they drafted Carter to do both.

And here are the Eagles last against the run and near the bottom sacking the quarterback.

It’s too early to panic. But it’s definitely not too early to be very concerned.

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^Yeah the Eagles thing is perplexing especially when you consider they’ve got Fangio, and they’re in year 2 with him. Difficult to know what to make of it. That team should be dominant on both sides of the ball and they just aren’t.

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If you want to read the star signs of a soon to be departed Bears GM just track the progress of overdrafted players who were selected as tackles but are actually NFL guards. It won’t be until the GM who drafts them is fired that they will be put in their appropriate positions. Kyle Long for Phil Emery, Teven Jenkins for Ryan Pace and Darnell Wrong for Ryan Poles.

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^Yeah the Eagles thing is perplexing especially when you consider they’ve got Fangio, and they’re in year 2 with him. Difficult to know what to make of it. That team should be dominant on both sides of the ball and they just aren’t.


Fangio is in his first year with the Eagles.

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