OK, so you don't buy into theoretical "trap games"?

The Panthers are a real NFL team now that they have Andy Dalton starting and not a child under center. My theory on the Bears is that the offense isn't good enough to blow anyone out and they defense will not let allow them to get blown out. That being said, they should cover the 4 against Carolina fairly easily.

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I definitely buy into it in college and a little less in the pros. I don't think the pros really have look ahead games like in college, but I do think bye weeks come into play

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4 looks and feels trappy. The Rams stink. Might stink worse than Carolina.

Get a dog!

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I'm a little concerned about this game. Carolina's offense has been playing very well with Dalton at QB. Are the Bears looking past them?

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Carolina is a popular team as far as wagering goes.
Every week so far Carolina has taken the money and the line has moved towards them.

It's refreshing we are both on the same page on trap games and shotgun at the goal line.

How do you feel about Caleb's footwork?

Any quarterback not comfortable playing from under center is a major concern, not death, but it is a major concern.

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That shotgun call on the goal line was based off of something they saw on film -not Calebs comfort level playing from under center. That said, Caleb is a rookie who didn’t play much from under center (just like every other college QB) so of course he needs more time with it.


As for his footwork overall it’s improved just about every game and breaks down mostly when he’s under pressure -like most QB’s. Unlike Mitch and Justin who had bad mechanics even without any variables being introduced.


People who don’t know what the hell they’re looking at or talking about keep trying to insert their own commentary on a lot of these things. I personally try not to get too involved with that until I’ve seen enough guys who break down film for a living go thru and point things out. Tho, I’ll add there are some odd balls like Kurt Warner who give bad takes while seemingly talking about something they didn’t actually take the time to watch or break down -so the source has to be considered.


Jenkins and O’Sullivan have both pointed out his good footwork on many throws. I’ve also not heard them say anything about calls probably being made a certain way because Calebs ‘not comfortable’ doing something. If anything, it’s being pointed out quite a bit that he’s being handed a lot very early on for a rookie -full playbook, complex reads/route concepts, calling out protections, changing calls at the line.. in fact during several games both have pointed out anticipatory throws by Caleb (something Justin struggled with heavily even in year 3) and they also point out more than a few times where Caleb gets from his 1st read all the way to a 4th or 5th read. I recall watching plenty of Justin breakdown videos the last couple of years where those things were almost never pointed out or highlighted.

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O'Sullivan and Jenkins have hit the world with the very same Caleb's was ok nothing to worry about speech after each and every game. Even as my eyetest says something different. They are obviously in the tank for him. I have watched those breakdowns too, and they haven't shown too much in the way of a difference than what the actual game has shown. Definitely not anything which suggest that there is a great QB lurking behind the mask that's for sure.

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I'm not bothered by anyone not being overly critical of a quarterback after his first month. They've all pointed out his mistakes. Some were obvious, others weren't.

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It’s all food for thought -but they at least do film breakdowns and point things out as former pros that armchair fans like us might not catch or understand upon 1st view. They understand more nuance and complexity about the game than I do (or probably anyone here really) so it’s good to get their perspective. They aren’t the only 2 that I watch, and I do try and watch all 22’s myself when they’re available and I have the time but I didn’t ever play the game at as high a level as a lot of the guys I pay attention to.


That said, you must not pay close attention to them if you’re attempting to waive off their analysis as ‘not too much different from what the games have shown’.. unless you’re claiming to be a former player who understands how to break down film.. and nothing I’ve seen out of you (or anyone else here for that matter) posting here seems to point to some superior intellect or complex understanding of the game to indicate this.


For example, I highly doubt you understand what routes the receivers are running on each individual play, or which reads are appropriate depending on the defensive alignment, or where protections are supposed to be placed properly before the snap just based on watching the broadcast live. And those guys get into quite a bit of that during the film breakdown sessions.

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If the rule you followed lead you to this, of what use was the rule?

I will never pretend that I know more than them. What I'm saying is that they are obviously spinning that which they happen to see in order to fit a Pro Caleb Narrative.

Both of these guys were very high on the kid before the season started and they have to make good on their assessment. Thus their criticism is being tempered imo

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Respectfully disagree here my friend. For example O’Sullivan has been up and down on Justin these past couple of years but has noted his differences and improvements this year compared to years prior. I think both guys just point out what they’re seeing and also do a good job of letting you know when they’re ‘guessing’ on what a play should be or is designed to be.


In other words I think I if evidence were to present itself, they would point it out and allow their opinion to be changed by that evidence. Neither one of their careers are based on Caleb, and they don’t only do breakdowns on Bears QB’s.

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If the rule you followed lead you to this, of what use was the rule?

I'm speaking specifically what I have seen in their analysis of Caleb Williams. They are definitely spinning his performances each and every week to make it appear that he has not been as bad as it seems. If he plays like MANY believed that he'd play then I will be happy to say I'm wrong about them and him, but until that happens their analysis seems extremely biased.

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Jenkins and Daniel were Fields guys. Why question their credibility when non have been fan boys. The video analysis of O'Sullivan, Daniel, and Jenkins has been virtually identical in their praise and criticism. O'Sullivan just breaks down more plays.

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Feel free to point me in the direction of any Jenkins or O'Sullivan breakdown that has been overly critical of Caleb Williams this season?

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Why would they after 4 games? They're not doing hot takes; they're analyzing the film and pointing out the good and bad we may not recognize.

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He's breaking down individual game film each game. He's not providing a breakdown of Williams Season. In at least 2 of the games that Williams has sucked his breakdowns have been extremely "complimentary".

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You won't pretend to know more about playing quarterback than O'Sullivan, Daniel, or Jenkins, but you don't like the way they break down individual plays if they have a positive assessment. Particularly when it comes to quarterback development. Interesting.

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There is video of JT O' Sullivan critiquing a 2023 Caleb Williams while he was at USC and proclaiming him to be s special special talent and player. He used other superlatives to describe him as well. If you don't think it would behoove him to make good on that assessment, or that he would give him the benefit of the doubt far more than he should in the hopes that the kid turns out to be what he believes him to be, then you don't know sports.
JT O'Sullivan literally eats these days off of his ability to accurately assess QB play. If he misses and misses badly on a player or consistently misses, then people will stop listening to him. And paying attention to whatever the hell he has going on Football related.

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You're battling ghosts. All three quarterbacks have had virtually identical assessments. Daniel and Jenkins were also solidly in Camp Fields.

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This isn't really a Justin vs Caleb discussion though. Or how they feel about Justin Fields either. Their overall assessments of Caleb Williams play has been off week after week

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You're speaking of bias from O'Sullivan though. I don't think it's unreasonable to point out that his assessment is identical to the quarterbacks who loved Caleb's predecessor.

You disagreeing with their assessments is a different argument. I'm not going to tell you that you have to agree with it. I'm fine if you don't.

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Excellent choice

Kind of sad that despite all of the supposed progress the Bears have made in upgrading the roster, and the disastrous stretch the Panthers have been on, the Bears are only deemed one point better (deducting three for home field advantage).

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So you're saying Carolina would be a 2 pt favorite at home? Don't buy it.

I'll let you know around 3:30

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