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There is going to be some team that finishes the regular season ranked fifth. Under the old system, that team is out of the playoffs. Under the new system, they're not only in the playoffs, but probably have a favorable seeding. The one or two losses that pushed that team to 5 were hugely important under the old system. Under the new system, they're relatively inconsequential. What is wrong with the logic in this statement?

The argument isn't if more teams will make the playoffs or not. It's the importance of the regular season being gone because it's now a 12 team(well, pretty much 11 teams in what we are discussing) playoff.

A P4 team that goes 11-1 is making the CFP this year. They would have had roughly a 75% chance in the 4 team playoff era. Now, it will be 100%. If they win their conference title game, they get a bye in the first round. But, as pointed out time and time again and ignored, 13-0 FSU didn't make the playoff last year which is a much bigger deal than the fact that a 11-1 team is now a lock to at least play a playoff game rather than only a 75% chance of playing a playoff game.


If you admit that a one loss team's chances of making the playoffs have increased from 75% to 100%, then you're admitting that the regular season has been, at least somewhat, diminished. Also, from where are you getting the 75% number?



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Last year 6 power conference teams finished with one or fewer losses. 33% of them didn’t make the playoffs.


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Alabama with 3 instant classic games and the season is only half over. It's a shame no one cares because of the 12 team playoff right One Post?


Caring and mattering are two different things.


That Ohio State v. Oregon game would have been hugely consequential last year, now it just changed playoff seeding. Catch the excitement!

Last year Alabama lost a regular season game to Texas and both ended up in the playoff.


That was kind of an unusual situation, wasn't it? In order for that to happen, the committee squeezed out an undefeated team from a major conference with an excellent football pedigree.

It was, but unusual situations seemed to be usual in the 4 team era. One loss teams got in; teams with better records were ignored.

Last year, the committee nuked the idea that regular season was the most important factor in the selection process.


This is correct but it doesn’t make the regular season more valuable in a 12 team playoff system, it just recognizes that if the powers in charge are going to diminish the regular season arbitrarily, you might as well formalize it it a 12 team playoff.


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If you admit that a one loss team's chances of making the playoffs have increased from 75% to 100%, then you're admitting that the regular season has been, at least somewhat, diminished.
Of course, but that's never been the argument. The regular season got diminished when the national title was no longer decided by AP voters too.

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Also, from where are you getting the 75% number?
My quick count.
Teams to make the playoffs from P4/P5 conferences with 1 loss: 22(not counting COVID year)
Teams to not make the playoffs from a P4/P5 conference with 1 loss: 9(10 if you count 13-0 FSU)

So, 70% may be more accurate.

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Again, make the "playoff seeding doesn't matter" argument all you want but I'm not going to waste time on it any more.


That is the whole point, expanded playoffs took the regular season from a death battle to make the playoffs to a seeding battle. This shows a diminished importance. That was Newson’s point earlier.

Again, how valuable is a regular season if the best team and the 250th best team have the same opportunity to win the national title?

Why won’t you answer the question?

I won't answer your question because it is such a flawed concept that nothing I say will change your mind. Playoff seeding matters. That's not even worth debating.

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There is going to be some team that finishes the regular season ranked fifth. Under the old system, that team is out of the playoffs. Under the new system, they're not only in the playoffs, but probably have a favorable seeding. The one or two losses that pushed that team to 5 were hugely important under the old system. Under the new system, they're relatively inconsequential. What is wrong with the logic in this statement?

The argument isn't if more teams will make the playoffs or not. It's the importance of the regular season being gone because it's now a 12 team(well, pretty much 11 teams in what we are discussing) playoff.

A P4 team that goes 11-1 is making the CFP this year. They would have had roughly a 75% chance in the 4 team playoff era. Now, it will be 100%. If they win their conference title game, they get a bye in the first round. But, as pointed out time and time again and ignored, 13-0 FSU didn't make the playoff last year which is a much bigger deal than the fact that a 11-1 team is now a lock to at least play a playoff game rather than only a 75% chance of playing a playoff game.


If you admit that a one loss team's chances of making the playoffs have increased from 75% to 100%, then you're admitting that the regular season has been, at least somewhat, diminished. Also, from where are you getting the 75% number?



From his ass.

Last year 6 power conference teams finished with one or fewer losses. 33% of them didn’t make the playoffs.

You're changing the stat which is fine by me but yes, teams with one or fewer losses made the CFP at a rate at or higher than 75% from the major conferences over the 4 team CFP. Like, it's a fact and not an opinion.

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Again, make the "playoff seeding doesn't matter" argument all you want but I'm not going to waste time on it any more.


That is the whole point, expanded playoffs took the regular season from a death battle to make the playoffs to a seeding battle. This shows a diminished importance. That was Newson’s point earlier.

Again, how valuable is a regular season if the best team and the 250th best team have the same opportunity to win the national title?

Why won’t you answer the question?

I won't answer your question because it is such a flawed concept that nothing I say will change your mind. Playoff seeding matters. That's not even worth debating.


You won’t answer the question because the regular season only has the littlest of importance if the 250th best team has the same opportunity to win the national championship as the best team.


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Brick wrote:
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If you admit that a one loss team's chances of making the playoffs have increased from 75% to 100%, then you're admitting that the regular season has been, at least somewhat, diminished.
Of course, but that's never been the argument. The regular season got diminished when the national title was no longer decided by AP voters too.

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Also, from where are you getting the 75% number?
My quick count.
Teams to make the playoffs from P4/P5 conferences with 1 loss: 22(not counting COVID year)
Teams to not make the playoffs from a P4/P5 conference with 1 loss: 9(10 if you count 13-0 FSU)

So, 70% may be more accurate.



Dude, you’re been arguing ad neasuem for the better part of two years that the expanded playoffs either (a) make the regular season more important or (b) no less important….


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Dude, you’re been arguing ad neasuem for the better part of two years that the expanded playoffs either (a) make the regular season more important or (b) no less important….
It made the games at the very top of the rankings less important but made many more games much more important. I'll show my work when the first CFP rankings are released instead of relying on projections which at least so far seem to be pretty far apart.

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Dude, you’re been arguing ad neasuem for the better part of two years that the expanded playoffs either (a) make the regular season more important or (b) no less important….
It made the games at the very top of the rankings less important but made many more games much more important. I'll show my work when the first CFP rankings are released instead of relying on projections which at least so far seem to be pretty far apart.



Let’s go to a 32 team playoff then, so many more games will be much more important.


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Dude, you’re been arguing ad neasuem for the better part of two years that the expanded playoffs either (a) make the regular season more important or (b) no less important….
It made the games at the very top of the rankings less important but made many more games much more important. I'll show my work when the first CFP rankings are released instead of relying on projections which at least so far seem to be pretty far apart.



Let’s go to a 32 team playoff then, so many more games will be much more important.

Let's go back to when the national title was decided by voters deciding who played better in the bowl game against different opponents and then sometimes it would just have to be a tie.

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The regular season was never some sanctified thing. The voter era also had plenty of notable bullshit (e.g., 1993).

Games don’t become less entertaining or less meaningful to fans because some new set of hypotheticals may or may not be realized months down the road. I don’t think any Vandy kids are going to be upset their win against Bama won’t stop the latter from competing for a championship.

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Brick wrote:
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Dude, you’re been arguing ad neasuem for the better part of two years that the expanded playoffs either (a) make the regular season more important or (b) no less important….
It made the games at the very top of the rankings less important but made many more games much more important. I'll show my work when the first CFP rankings are released instead of relying on projections which at least so far seem to be pretty far apart.



Let’s go to a 32 team playoff then, so many more games will be much more important.

Let's go back to when the national title was decided by voters deciding who played better in the bowl game against different opponents and then sometimes it would just have to be a tie.



Love to.

Unfortunately American sports have been playoff-itized.

Mizzou can’t just go 10-2 and recognize that was a great really fun season. Need to get their asses pounded by 35 against Ohio State in a playoff game to validate the season.


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Dude, you’re been arguing ad neasuem for the better part of two years that the expanded playoffs either (a) make the regular season more important or (b) no less important….
It made the games at the very top of the rankings less important but made many more games much more important. I'll show my work when the first CFP rankings are released instead of relying on projections which at least so far seem to be pretty far apart.



Let’s go to a 32 team playoff then, so many more games will be much more important.

Let's go back to when the national title was decided by voters deciding who played better in the bowl game against different opponents and then sometimes it would just have to be a tie.



Love to.

Unfortunately American sports have been playoff-itized.

Mizzou can’t just go 10-2 and recognize that was a great really fun season. Need to get their asses pounded by 35 against Ohio State in a playoff game to validate the season.

They didn’t wait that long, A&M did that.

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Oregon coach on top of things

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“We spend an inordinate amount of time on situations and some situations don't come up very often in college football, but this was obviously something we had worked on,” Oregon coach Dan Lanning said Monday night. “You can see the result.”

Oregon took the lead with 1:47 left on Atticus Sappington’s 19-yard field goal in Saturday night's game, giving the Buckeyes time to drive down the field for a potential winning field goal. With Ohio State facing a third-and-25 from Oregon's 43-yard line, the Ducks called a timeout with 10 seconds left.

Just before the ball was snapped, Oregon defensive back Dontae Manning walked onto the field, giving the Ducks an extra defender. Ohio State failed to complete a pass against Oregon's 12-man defense on the next play, and the Ducks were flagged for an illegal substitution penalty.

Ohio State gained five yards on the penalty, but lost four seconds off the clock since the penalty was deemed a live-ball foul. The Buckeyes were left with six seconds on the clock, and quarterback Will Howard scrambled up the middle, sliding a second too late for Ohio State to call a timeout for a potential game-winning field goal at Oregon's 26.


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Big game for RFDC this weekend. I wish that were the night game.


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Big game for RFDC this weekend. I wish that were the night game.

Thomas is that you??

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Big game for RFDC this weekend. I wish that were the night game.

Thomas is that you??

It is, and I'll be pulling for the Hoosiers this weekend!


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Big game for RFDC this weekend. I wish that were the night game.

Thomas is that you??

It is, and I'll be pulling for the Hoosiers this weekend!

atta boy, I knew I liked you!

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yeah definitely pulling for IU that morning...hopefully will be parking my butt at 7 Hills Brewery in Dubuque to catch the second half.


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RFDC and I legit have HUGE games for our programs this weekend, ours could determine the coaches future. Good Luck!!!!

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I've never seen Purdue Rick passionate before. Pretty cool.


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RFDC and I legit have HUGE games for our programs this weekend, ours could determine the coaches future. Good Luck!!!!

Da bot' of ya.

Arkansas has been impressive. I think they win tomorrow night.


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RFDC and I legit have HUGE games for our programs this weekend, ours could determine the coaches future. Good Luck!!!!

Da bot' of ya.

Arkansas has been impressive. I think they win tomorrow night.

Should be 5-1 and could have beaten A&M also. Thanks Tommy

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My god that was a beatdown of Nebraska! Was beautiful to watch!

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Indiana's national champ odds went from +13000 before kick-off today to +10000 now.


tOSU +450
Oregon +500
Penn St +1200

ND +5000

Iowa State +6500

Indiana +10000 (+13000 before kick-off today)

Missouri +13000 (post today's W)

BYU +25000 (ranked higher, 13, than #16 Indiana last AP poll)

Illinois +30000 (up 13-0 on Michigan rn)

Mich +40000 (same as Arkansas)

Colorado +50000

Northern Illinois +100000 (last team listed on fanduel)

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My god that was a beatdown of Nebraska! Was beautiful to watch!

Coach Cig for President!!!

Congrats Ralph, I am drinking cocktails in preparation of my Hogs!!

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Not a good start and I need them to cover 10.5.


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I absolutely love college football!!!

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Maybe Miller Moss slips to the Bears at 32.

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