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Tough to watch a Bears QB again take a beating in huge part due to bad O lines. I could only imagine how even uglier it'd be if CW wasn't so elusive.

Over a 150 on the ground not including the QB. Gonna say the OL did its part to win.


Romo pointed out that Amegadjie threw the crucial block on Swift's long run by taking out 3 defenders. Without that one play, Swift's numbers were pedestrian.

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That's really true of most backs. I thought he was doing a nice job getting five yards per pop.

Everyone praises Amegadije for that block. I'm glad he got in the way but if you watch it, he runs up to a corner and plays paddy cake with him, causing him to have to block him a second time and falling, resulting in taking out the second blocker. A good OL destroys that CB on the first block so there is no traffic. On the good side, it did reveal great mobility for an OL.

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A lot of melodrama in this thread lol


The Commanders have steamrolled most of their opposition and they needed a last second Hail Mary that was tipped by a Bears defender acting a fool to win the game. Their all world rookie QB was held 15% under his exaggerated completion %.. this considering the Bears were missing two of their best defenders in Gordon and Brisker..


The Bears have a coaching problem at this point.. it spans multiple seasons now and isn’t going to improve much. This was alway going to be an 8-9 win type team.. maybe 10 but they’d have to get a lucky break somewhere.


Caleb, the O-line, and the coaching/gameplan looked like shit but at least Caleb and co. recovered late and made a game of it. People need to take a step back and see this for what it is.


There were at least 3 drops by the rather ordinary Commnder Receiving corps and a missed field goal on a very makeable kick. And there isn't a person alive that would have viewed that game and came away thinking that Caleb is the better of 2 QBs either

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Tough to watch a Bears QB again take a beating in huge part due to bad O lines. I could only imagine how even uglier it'd be if CW wasn't so elusive.

Over a 150 on the ground not including the QB. Gonna say the OL did its part to win.


Romo pointed out that Amegadjie threw the crucial block on Swift's long run by taking out 3 defenders. Without that one play, Swift's numbers were pedestrian.

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That's really true of most backs. I thought he was doing a nice job getting five yards per pop.

Everyone praises Amegadije for that block. I'm glad he got in the way but if you watch it, he runs up to a corner and plays paddy cake with him, causing him to have to block him a second time and falling, resulting in taking out the second blocker. A good OL destroys that CB on the first block so there is no traffic. On the good side, it did reveal great mobility for an OL.


Fair points but it's not like the OL was particularly good in the running game (contrary to what USA is saying), and the unit was often wretched in pass protection.

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A lot of melodrama in this thread lol


The Commanders have steamrolled most of their opposition and they needed a last second Hail Mary that was tipped by a Bears defender acting a fool to win the game. Their all world rookie QB was held 15% under his exaggerated completion %.. this considering the Bears were missing two of their best defenders in Gordon and Brisker..


The Bears have a coaching problem at this point.. it spans multiple seasons now and isn’t going to improve much. This was alway going to be an 8-9 win type team.. maybe 10 but they’d have to get a lucky break somewhere.


Caleb, the O-line, and the coaching/gameplan looked like shit but at least Caleb and co. recovered late and made a game of it. People need to take a step back and see this for what it is.


There were at least 3 drops by the rather ordinary Commnder Receiving corps and a missed field goal on a very makeable kick. And there isn't a person alive that would have viewed that game and came away thinking that Caleb is the better of 2 QBs either

I've done my best to step back and credit Caleb for the 4th quarter. We talk about it very often that 4th quarters are what separates mediocre from good. But that 4th and 3 overthrow to Allen that was saved by penalty keeps poking at me. That was an easy throw.


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Their average 3rd down yardage was something like 8.8 until the 4th quarter. MANY inside runs stuffed for minimal gain are being cleaned up by the huge gainer. Anyone saying the O-line was proficient in run blocking needs a new TV.


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Tall Midget wrote:
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Tough to watch a Bears QB again take a beating in huge part due to bad O lines. I could only imagine how even uglier it'd be if CW wasn't so elusive.

Over a 150 on the ground not including the QB. Gonna say the OL did its part to win.


Romo pointed out that Amegadjie threw the crucial block on Swift's long run by taking out 3 defenders. Without that one play, Swift's numbers were pedestrian.

Further, Amegadjie looked lost on several passing plays and almost got Williams killed by whiffing on at least one of his pass block attempts.


He had some obvious failures, but I think you got something. He's still raw though.

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I've done my best to step back and credit Caleb for the 4th quarter. We talk about it very often that 4th quarters are what separates mediocre from good. But that 4th and 3 overthrow to Allen that was saved by penalty keeps poking at me. That was an easy throw.

I’m going to suspend my fourth quarter trutherism here for a minute. Even if he was “all world” or whatever completely baseless superlative you want to heave on him for a totally pedestrian fourth quarter, it doesn’t come close to making up for the first three quarters of truly historic (even by Bears standards) futility. That was arguably the worst I have seen since before Jay Cutler, it was completely hopeless.


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A lot of melodrama in this thread lol


The Commanders have steamrolled most of their opposition and they needed a last second Hail Mary that was tipped by a Bears defender acting a fool to win the game. Their all world rookie QB was held 15% under his exaggerated completion %.. this considering the Bears were missing two of their best defenders in Gordon and Brisker..


The Bears have a coaching problem at this point.. it spans multiple seasons now and isn’t going to improve much. This was alway going to be an 8-9 win type team.. maybe 10 but they’d have to get a lucky break somewhere.


Caleb, the O-line, and the coaching/gameplan looked like shit but at least Caleb and co. recovered late and made a game of it. People need to take a step back and see this for what it is.


There were at least 3 drops by the rather ordinary Commnder Receiving corps and a missed field goal on a very makeable kick. And there isn't a person alive that would have viewed that game and came away thinking that Caleb is the better of 2 QBs either

I've done my best to step back and credit Caleb for the 4th quarter. We talk about it very often that 4th quarters are what separates mediocre from good. But that 4th and 3 overthrow to Allen that was saved by penalty keeps poking at me. That was an easy throw.


I'm not sure that's an overthrow if he wasn't held. I think it's a visual illusion that makes it appear that way. Maybe I'm wrong.

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The only 2 games in which Caleb's QBR has been above 45 were against Carolina and Jacksonville

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You didn't rush the quarterback the last play. Daniels had all day to throw and was able to step into the throw and launch it 70 yards.

Had you been in his face, he would have never got the throw off like that, which made it possible for you to lose.

You could have taken a time-out and actually thought it over, but you didn't. This loss is on Eberfluss and the coaches with their bad strategy.


they also had a shadow on Daniels for the last play, just in case he was going to run 50 yards for the TD

And Sweat watched that play from the sidelines for some reason.


Sweat not being on the field on that play is inexcusable! Just bad coaching all around and Flush's excuses on Hood and Kap are just dumb.


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You didn't rush the quarterback the last play. Daniels had all day to throw and was able to step into the throw and launch it 70 yards.

Had you been in his face, he would have never got the throw off like that, which made it possible for you to lose.

You could have taken a time-out and actually thought it over, but you didn't. This loss is on Eberfluss and the coaches with their bad strategy.


they also had a shadow on Daniels for the last play, just in case he was going to run 50 yards for the TD

And Sweat watched that play from the sidelines for some reason.


Sweat not being on the field on that play is inexcusable! Just bad coaching all around and Flush's excuses on Hood and Kap are just dumb.

Biggs said Sweat was limping on the sidelines and may be questionable for the next game.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears @ Commanders
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Tall Midget wrote:
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Tough to watch a Bears QB again take a beating in huge part due to bad O lines. I could only imagine how even uglier it'd be if CW wasn't so elusive.

Over a 150 on the ground not including the QB. Gonna say the OL did its part to win.


Romo pointed out that Amegadjie threw the crucial block on Swift's long run by taking out 3 defenders. Without that one play, Swift's numbers were pedestrian.

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That's really true of most backs. I thought he was doing a nice job getting five yards per pop.

Everyone praises Amegadije for that block. I'm glad he got in the way but if you watch it, he runs up to a corner and plays paddy cake with him, causing him to have to block him a second time and falling, resulting in taking out the second blocker. A good OL destroys that CB on the first block so there is no traffic. On the good side, it did reveal great mobility for an OL.


Fair points but it's not like the OL was particularly good in the running game (contrary to what USA is saying), and the unit was often wretched in pass protection.


Don't forget the back to back offsides call that killed a late drive. OL was horrid yesterday. Caleb trying to play hero ball for 3 quarters did not help.


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Caleb tried to play hero ball with the pass to Moore in the end zone. That was a run call.

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Caleb tried to play hero ball with the pass to Moore in the end zone. That was a run call.

So was the 4th and 1 screen.


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Caleb tried to play hero ball with the pass to Moore in the end zone. That was a run call.


I'm fine with that play. He needs to be more aware of the clock though. A pass was not a good decision at that point.

Hero ball to me is holding on the ball for a big play when you have a short play in front of your face. 1,2,3 throw the ball. Too many times yesterday he tried 4,5,6 and made poor throws or was sacked.

In my opinion he was trying to win the Rookie Of The Year and not the game until he realized shit, I need to win this game and stop the bullshit. Hopefully he learns from this and goes back to what works at this point in his career.


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Caleb tried to play hero ball with the pass to Moore in the end zone. That was a run call.

So was the 4th and 1 screen.


Yeah, but that was the right call. DJ Moore has to run that guy over instead of dancing. The run would have been stopped because our 50 year old TE got his ass kicked.

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Caleb tried to play hero ball with the pass to Moore in the end zone. That was a run call.

So was the 4th and 1 screen.


Yeah, but that was the right call. DJ Moore has to run that guy over instead of dancing. The run would have been stopped because our 50 year old TE got his ass kicked.

Well it wasn’t the right call, it got stopped. If Waldron makes the play call it gets heaped into his (completely baseless) pariah status, if Williams makes the exact same call with the exact same result we get all these equivocations.


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Considering the corner was off, you had your $100M+ WR going against a minimum wage guy, the run call was blown up, and all you're asking Moore to do is go foward, I liked the decision. The goal line decision was SOLELY a Caleb wanting to be a hero thing. The coverage didn't call for the pass, and it wasn't close to being successful.

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I can't get that stupid "fridge play" out of my mind. When you think about, it was that fucking call that cost them the ball game because the last second heroics by the Skins wouldn't have happened. In general,Eberflush has made mind boggling stupid decisions in every fucking game that have cost them the game.

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That "fridge" call didn't cost them the game. It almost helped them win it. The Commanders were pinned at their 3 because of the fumble. That forced them to punt, and it gave the Bears offense decent field position for their potential game winning drive. Washington is more aggressive on their next possession if they're trailing.

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That "fridge" call didn't cost them the game. It almost helped them win it. The Commanders were pinned at their 3 because of the fumble. That forced them to punt, and it gave the Bears offense decent field position for their potential game winning drive. Washington is more aggressive on their next possession if they're trailing.


WHAT? are TDs bad now? imagine they score two TDs instead of one in the 4th. Hail Mary doesn't even matter.

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That "fridge" call didn't cost them the game. It almost helped them win it. The Commanders were pinned at their 3 because of the fumble. That forced them to punt, and it gave the Bears offense decent field position for their potential game winning drive. Washington is more aggressive on their next possession if they're trailing.


WHAT? are TDs bad now? imagine they score two TDs instead of one in the 4th. Hail Mary doesn't even matter.


I don't know if I should ask you to read my post or explain it in more detail.

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Ricky is feeling the delulu hard this morning. Two game winning drives for Caleb Williams in a game he lost! Now he can’t comprehend that the Bears only scored their second touchdown because the field position they had to start the drive.

:lol: Unless somebody thinks this Craigathan Quinnzel reincarnation they are starting at quarterback was gonna drive the field lmao but nah nobody is THAT retarded right?


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This article says it all, just what I have been talking about.

With how discombobulated they played, the Chicago Bears had no business beating the Washington Commanders on Sunday. Then, led by Caleb Williams, they scored an unanswered 15 points and held a 15-12 lead with just 23 seconds left. In almost every situation, it should've been a surefire victory from then on.

Then Chicago head Matt Eberflus' decision-making reared its ugly head to set up Jayden Daniels' heroic, game-winning Hail Mary. (Wait, was there a hold?)

First, Eberflus' mandate around a prevent defense literally gifted Washington a free 13 yards to get closer for a reasonable deep shot. (Why would you ever let them get closer for free?) Then, rather than call any of his three timeouts to organize the Chicago defense and get everyone set up in an optimal way, Eberflus let things lie, setting up ideal circumstances for Daniels to have nearly 13 seconds of time before launching his desperate, game-winning throw.

This was especially problematic because Eberflus had linebacker T.J. Edwards lined up as a quarterback spy (ON A HAIL MARY) while also keeping some of his shorter defenders on the field. The Bears would then only rush three players. That's not abnormal for a Hail Mary. What is abnormal is that Montez Sweat -- Chicago's best pass-rusher by far -- was not on the field. Oh, and the Bears' players on the field really let someone get behind them on a last-ditch play.

Basically, if Eberflus had used ANY of his timeouts, he would've likely prevented the perfect conditions for a Hail Mary.

Eberflus' reaction on the sideline after the fact almost understates his completely inept failure to prepare his team with the game on the line:

The Bears had no business winning this game. But a heroic effort from their defense and a gutsy finish by their quarterback had them in position to steal it. Then Eberflus' late-game coaching decisions threw it all away.

Eberflus is now 3-17 on the road in his Bears coaching career. He just might not be built for this.

This article originally appeared on For The Win: Matt Eberflus’ inexcusable late-game coaching for Bears set up the Commanders’ Hail Mary


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They have 10 more of these to play. I'm willing to be patient. They could win the next 10.

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That "fridge" call didn't cost them the game. It almost helped them win it. The Commanders were pinned at their 3 because of the fumble. That forced them to punt, and it gave the Bears offense decent field position for their potential game winning drive. Washington is more aggressive on their next possession if they're trailing.


WHAT? are TDs bad now? imagine they score two TDs instead of one in the 4th. Hail Mary doesn't even matter.


I don't know if I should ask you to read my post or explain it in more detail.


I understand what it says, the fridge call prevented them from scoring 2 TDs in the 4th, which would have won them the game outright, no hail mary to worry about. Fumbling at the opponents 1 yard line did not "almost help them win it" . I don't understand how people have gotten to this level of overthinking. Washington was going to try to win the game, the Bears fumbling helped them do that, it didn't help the Bears whatsoever.

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Ricky is feeling the delulu hard this morning. Two game winning drives for Caleb Williams in a game he lost! Now he can’t comprehend that the Bears only scored their second touchdown because the field position they had to start the drive.

:lol: Unless somebody thinks this Craigathan Quinnzel reincarnation they are starting at quarterback was gonna drive the field lmao but nah nobody is THAT retarded right?


First drive that resulted in the Fridge fumble: 9 plays 84 yards

Take your medicine dipshit.

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Ricky11Slade wrote:
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That "fridge" call didn't cost them the game. It almost helped them win it. The Commanders were pinned at their 3 because of the fumble. That forced them to punt, and it gave the Bears offense decent field position for their potential game winning drive. Washington is more aggressive on their next possession if they're trailing.


WHAT? are TDs bad now? imagine they score two TDs instead of one in the 4th. Hail Mary doesn't even matter.


I don't know if I should ask you to read my post or explain it in more detail.


I understand what it says, the fridge call prevented them from scoring 2 TDs in the 4th, which would have won them the game outright, no hail mary to worry about. Fumbling at the opponents 1 yard line did not "almost help them win it" . I don't understand how people have gotten to this level of overthinking. Washington was going to try to win the game, the Bears fumbling helped them do that, it didn't help the Bears whatsoever.


This post tells me that you don't understand it, though. That's fine. I’ve spent too much time on this game.

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Watching the hail mary replay again, and Bears rushed 4, but the one guy (can't see his number) is just hanging out like he's a spy. Did he think there was a chance Daniels was going to try and run for it??? Maybe if he actually rushed, Daniels wouldn't have had so long to run around and setup. Really, there were so many things wrong on the last 2 plays.


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Ricky11Slade wrote:
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Ricky is feeling the delulu hard this morning. Two game winning drives for Caleb Williams in a game he lost! Now he can’t comprehend that the Bears only scored their second touchdown because the field position they had to start the drive.

:lol: Unless somebody thinks this Craigathan Quinnzel reincarnation they are starting at quarterback was gonna drive the field lmao but nah nobody is THAT retarded right?


First drive that resulted in the Fridge fumble: 9 plays 84 yards

Take your medicine dipshit.

Somebody IS that retarded! Turns out its you, shocker.


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