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at what point is it on the players for execution?

It’s always on everybody.

I blame a 100yr old woman for most of their issues and she hasn’t been on the field in a couple few years.

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How many teams do the Bears own a coaching edge against?


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You claimed players run every team. That’s a dumb take. We’re talking about a player commenting on some guys not being ‘practice’ guys. That’s not a players responsibility to handle that -that’s coaching. Coaching handles that or they lose the locker room and lose the team. End of story.


What the hell are you talking about?


Why do you think the Patriot Way disappeared when Brady left? Why do you think the Bears locker room went to shit when guys like Peppers, Urlacher, and Olin had their keys given to Cutler? Why do you think Mercedes Lewis is still in the NFL? A coach's message is only as strong as the players who are enforcing it. I have no clue how anyone can challenge this.

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Why do you think the Patriot Way disappeared when Brady left? Why do you think the Bears locker room went to shit when guys like Peppers, Urlacher, and Olin had their keys given to Cutler? Why do you think Mercedes Lewis is still in the NFL?



We are not talking about the same thing, and I think you know that. Youre intentionally moving the goal posts here.. or gas lighting.


Dude the locker room is not practice. The locker room is not the team, its part of the team but not the whole. We arent talking about the locker room here -Kmet commented that there are players who 'arent practice guys'. Where does practice take place Nas, who organizes the practices, the playbook, sets the starting roster for the upcoming game?

Thats the coach. Thats the coaches job, and thats one of the areas the coaches control. And if players are allowed to act that way without any response from the coach? You get what we're seeing here in interviews and what we're seeing on the field. An undisciplined team, and finger pointing.


But since you brought it up.. I hope youre familiar with the very common term in regards to the coach 'losing the locker room'.. well, this is the sort of stuff that starts to happen when that starts to happen.


Players don't lose locker rooms, coaches do. Go ahead and do the math on that.




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A coach's message is only as strong as the players who are enforcing it. I have no clue how anyone can challenge this.



Again, you're talking about something completely different. A coaches message in regards to a player slacking off during practice (and in games) is different than what goes on in the locker room. Players don't enforce that kind of stuff. They don't bench other players, or fine them for being late, or cut them for being lazy and not performing. Coaches do that.


Coaches can discipline players for shit like that, and thats what this is about. Kmet seems to be saying that we have a coach letting certain players get away with that stuff. And again, the coach controls this part of a team.


I have no clue why the context has to be explained to you here, unless you just arent reading what this is in regards to. The coaches job is literally to keep this thing together and everyone on the same page. Thats not what the players are there for, its what the coach is there for.

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Again, it would be helpful if you read my posts. No goalposts were moved. I was clear from the beginning about what I was talking about. Also, players hold one another accountable on and off the field. Mayfield described how tight of a ship Brady had, and Stevenson talked about someone telling him on the field that it wasn't the Bears' standard when he got a personal foul.

Despite your dislike of Eberflus, the Bears culture is fine by all accounts. You can credit the players or Eberflus for it. It’s your choice. You can even credit both. A poorly coached defense isn't giving up fewer than 21 points for more than a year, particularly with Stevenson as a starter and an offense that rarely scores points.

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Well this is just starting to feel like a good old fashioned Bears season collapse. They narrowly avoided the spiral last year and everyone got a mulligan because people got caught up in the euphoria of the Carolina trade windfall.

I don't think I'd call what's coming a collapse. They'll go 3-7 at best but that's just because they have a really lopsided strength of schedule. 7-10 was always how they were going to end up.

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Well this is just starting to feel like a good old fashioned Bears season collapse. They narrowly avoided the spiral last year and everyone got a mulligan because people got caught up in the euphoria of the Carolina trade windfall.

I don't think I'd call what's coming a collapse. They'll go 3-7 at best but that's just because they have a really lopsided strength of schedule. 7-10 was always how they were going to end up.


Does 7-10 get the Flus fired? You really cannot waste another year of your rookie QB contract window.

Still do not understand he did not call time out to make sure the DB's know where to line up and to get his four best pass rushers in the game?

He continues to blow simple NFL HC duties, and he is not getting any better.


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Winning 3 of their last 11 games would get Eberflus fired. Winning fewer than 6 of these last 10 games would be problematic for him, IMO. WHY? Because the next 2 should be wins. That gives him room to go 4-5 in his last 9.

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I think Nas is right. Eberflus is not running a Nagy country club, the team does really play with intensity and focus. They just might not be good, somewhere between the high end of being bad and low end of being average.

That said this little three game win streak against the dregs of the NFL and a Rams team that was pretty much dead on arrival got them believing they were the real deal. What can you really do about that though? Eberflus has never had experience leading a team on a real win streak.


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Winning 3 of their last 11 games would get Eberflus fired. Winning fewer than 6 of these last 10 games would be problematic for him, IMO. WHY? Because the next 2 should be wins. That gives him room to go 4-5 in his last 9.
Then according to my crystal ball, he's as good as gone. Not much chance there's 5 more wins. No chance there's 6.

Sunday is a pick 'em game and the bears haven't proved anything. Cardinals are done with their tough end of the schedule and survived. They could be a 10 win team.


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Winning 3 of their last 11 games would get Eberflus fired. Winning fewer than 6 of these last 10 games would be problematic for him, IMO. WHY? Because the next 2 should be wins. That gives him room to go 4-5 in his last 9.
Then according to my crystal ball, he's as good as gone. Not much chance there's 5 more wins. No chance there's 6.


The Packers are the toughest team on their schedule if Love is healthy. I thought they had no shot against the 49ers when the season started. I now believe every game is winnable because of their defense. They can keep them in every game.

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Winning 3 of their last 11 games would get Eberflus fired. Winning fewer than 6 of these last 10 games would be problematic for him, IMO. WHY? Because the next 2 should be wins. That gives him room to go 4-5 in his last 9.
Then according to my crystal ball, he's as good as gone. Not much chance there's 5 more wins. No chance there's 6.


The Packers are the toughest team on their schedule if Love is healthy. I thought they had no shot against the 49ers when the season started. I now believe every game is winnable because of their defense. They can keep them in every game.

I'm taking Arizona. I have to. I've seen them, I've seen the Bears. Don't blame me, blame my eyes.


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Well this is just starting to feel like a good old fashioned Bears season collapse. They narrowly avoided the spiral last year and everyone got a mulligan because people got caught up in the euphoria of the Carolina trade windfall.

I don't think I'd call what's coming a collapse. They'll go 3-7 at best but that's just because they have a really lopsided strength of schedule. 7-10 was always how they were going to end up.


Does 7-10 get the Flus fired? You really cannot waste another year of your rookie QB contract window.

Still do not understand he did not call time out to make sure the DB's know where to line up and to get his four best pass rushers in the game?

He continues to blow simple NFL HC duties, and he is not getting any better.

He is not improving in game management particularly at the end of games and halves. Unforgivable not to call a time out. The play before was just as bad. He will not improve. The time to launch him was last year after the Cleveland game, which exhibited many of his shortcomings. He is just no good as a head coach.

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Does 7-10 get the Flus fired? You really cannot waste another year of your rookie QB contract window.

Not necessarily. If they play hard and close but repeatedly come out on the ass end of games with Seattle, San Francisco, and the division, which is entirely possible, the risk-averse McCaskeys may figure that they have a good thing going and just got unlucky. And they wouldn't be wrong in that assessment. The Bears are a talented team staring down a meat grinder of a remaining schedule. But they should have fired Eberflus halfway through last season.

I don't know what to make of the Cardinals. I don't think they're very good, and Kyler Murray appears to be well short of what they need him to be, but that Marvin Harrison Jr., yikes. If they beat the Bears this week it'll be because he wills them to it.

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Winning 3 of their last 11 games would get Eberflus fired. Winning fewer than 6 of these last 10 games would be problematic for him, IMO. WHY? Because the next 2 should be wins. That gives him room to go 4-5 in his last 9.
Then according to my crystal ball, he's as good as gone. Not much chance there's 5 more wins. No chance there's 6.


The Packers are the toughest team on their schedule if Love is healthy. I thought they had no shot against the 49ers when the season started. I now believe every game is winnable because of their defense. They can keep them in every game.

I'm taking Arizona. I have to. I've seen them, I've seen the Bears. Don't blame me, blame my eyes.


What specifically makes you prefer the Cardinals?

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Winning 3 of their last 11 games would get Eberflus fired. Winning fewer than 6 of these last 10 games would be problematic for him, IMO. WHY? Because the next 2 should be wins. That gives him room to go 4-5 in his last 9.

Caleb Williams, along with a few other stars on the team, get to decide if Eberflus is fired.

Which means Kingsbury is the next coach of the Bears.

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Winning 3 of their last 11 games would get Eberflus fired. Winning fewer than 6 of these last 10 games would be problematic for him, IMO. WHY? Because the next 2 should be wins. That gives him room to go 4-5 in his last 9.

Caleb Williams, along with a few other stars on the team, get to decide if Eberflus is fired.

Which means Kingsbury is the next coach of the Bears.


I rather have Johnson.

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Winning 3 of their last 11 games would get Eberflus fired. Winning fewer than 6 of these last 10 games would be problematic for him, IMO. WHY? Because the next 2 should be wins. That gives him room to go 4-5 in his last 9.

Caleb Williams, along with a few other stars on the team, get to decide if Eberflus is fired.

Which means Kingsbury is the next coach of the Bears.


I rather have Johnson.

You need to start demanding Johnson and not just blithely hoping for Johnson.

Johnson ain’t walking through that door without some effort.

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Winning 3 of their last 11 games would get Eberflus fired. Winning fewer than 6 of these last 10 games would be problematic for him, IMO. WHY? Because the next 2 should be wins. That gives him room to go 4-5 in his last 9.

Caleb Williams, along with a few other stars on the team, get to decide if Eberflus is fired.

Which means Kingsbury is the next coach of the Bears.


I rather have Johnson.

You need to start demanding Johnson and not just blithely hoping for Johnson.

Johnson ain’t walking through that door without some effort.


Johnson is surprisingly elusive.

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Winning 3 of their last 11 games would get Eberflus fired. Winning fewer than 6 of these last 10 games would be problematic for him, IMO. WHY? Because the next 2 should be wins. That gives him room to go 4-5 in his last 9.
Then according to my crystal ball, he's as good as gone. Not much chance there's 5 more wins. No chance there's 6.


The Packers are the toughest team on their schedule if Love is healthy. I thought they had no shot against the 49ers when the season started. I now believe every game is winnable because of their defense. They can keep them in every game.

I'm taking Arizona. I have to. I've seen them, I've seen the Bears. Don't blame me, blame my eyes.


What specifically makes you prefer the Cardinals?


they're the real Chicago football team? (/my late father)

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Winning 3 of their last 11 games would get Eberflus fired. Winning fewer than 6 of these last 10 games would be problematic for him, IMO. WHY? Because the next 2 should be wins. That gives him room to go 4-5 in his last 9.

Caleb Williams, along with a few other stars on the team, get to decide if Eberflus is fired.

Which means Kingsbury is the next coach of the Bears.


I rather have Johnson.

Always go with a Johnson

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Winning 3 of their last 11 games would get Eberflus fired. Winning fewer than 6 of these last 10 games would be problematic for him, IMO. WHY? Because the next 2 should be wins. That gives him room to go 4-5 in his last 9.
Then according to my crystal ball, he's as good as gone. Not much chance there's 5 more wins. No chance there's 6.


The Packers are the toughest team on their schedule if Love is healthy. I thought they had no shot against the 49ers when the season started. I now believe every game is winnable because of their defense. They can keep them in every game.

I'm taking Arizona. I have to. I've seen them, I've seen the Bears. Don't blame me, blame my eyes.


What specifically makes you prefer the Cardinals?

The running game, the mobile QB, the schedule, the come from behind wins, and the Bears offense. Am I supposed to look at 2 drives in an entire game and go, "OK, they're fine now?" That's nothing but hope. It isn't tangible.


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Winning 3 of their last 11 games would get Eberflus fired. Winning fewer than 6 of these last 10 games would be problematic for him, IMO. WHY? Because the next 2 should be wins. That gives him room to go 4-5 in his last 9.

Caleb Williams, along with a few other stars on the team, get to decide if Eberflus is fired.

Which means Kingsbury is the next coach of the Bears.


I rather have Johnson.


I don't want anyone who looked in the mirror for 2 years in a row and didn't think they were good enough.

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Winning 3 of their last 11 games would get Eberflus fired. Winning fewer than 6 of these last 10 games would be problematic for him, IMO. WHY? Because the next 2 should be wins. That gives him room to go 4-5 in his last 9.

Caleb Williams, along with a few other stars on the team, get to decide if Eberflus is fired.

Which means Kingsbury is the next coach of the Bears.


I rather have Johnson.


I don't want anyone who looked in the mirror for 2 years in a row and didn't think they were good enough.

He has a misguided sense of duty to Dan Campbell.

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Nas wrote:
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Winning 3 of their last 11 games would get Eberflus fired. Winning fewer than 6 of these last 10 games would be problematic for him, IMO. WHY? Because the next 2 should be wins. That gives him room to go 4-5 in his last 9.

Caleb Williams, along with a few other stars on the team, get to decide if Eberflus is fired.

Which means Kingsbury is the next coach of the Bears.


I rather have Johnson.


I don't want anyone who looked in the mirror for 2 years in a row and didn't think they were good enough.

He has a misguided sense of duty to Dan Campbell.


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Winning 3 of their last 11 games would get Eberflus fired. Winning fewer than 6 of these last 10 games would be problematic for him, IMO. WHY? Because the next 2 should be wins. That gives him room to go 4-5 in his last 9.

Caleb Williams, along with a few other stars on the team, get to decide if Eberflus is fired.

Which means Kingsbury is the next coach of the Bears.


I rather have Johnson.


I don't want anyone who looked in the mirror for 2 years in a row and didn't think they were good enough.


Eberflus thought he was good enough.

Sometimes our self-perceptions are deceiving.

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TM good news good news!

Report out that our guy Johnson was watching chicago job last offseason and was a place he was interested in.

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I don't want anyone who looked in the mirror for 2 years in a row and didn't think they were good enough.


Head Coaches come out the womb thinking they should be top dawg. HC as much about vibe and attitude and irrational self-confidence as x's and o's. If a guy doesn't believe he has what it takes, how can he expect the players to buy into what he's selling.


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I don't want anyone who looked in the mirror for 2 years in a row and didn't think they were good enough.


Head Coaches come out the womb thinking they should be top dawg. HC as much about vibe and attitude and irrational self-confidence as x's and o's. If a guy doesn't believe he has what it takes, how can he expect the players to buy into what he's selling.


Yeah, professional arrogance is a must.

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