I agree a reset was a better idea in hindsight.

But now we know for sure that Poles is in over his head every bit as much as Eberflus is.

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The scheme definitely sucked, but for his part Williams has demonstrated that he will pass on checkdowns to try to find someone open downfield for a bigger play. That's something we knew about him coming in, and it's not surprising he hasn't shed that habit by his ninth NFL game. Outside of a few errant throws to guys who were open, the receivers have been absolutely blanketed in the games where the offense has struggled. Some of that early on was due to lack of effort by guys like Moore and Allen, and maybe it still is on guys like Moore and Allen when they're shown completely whiffing on blocks or quitting on entire plays.

A lot of it has also been scheme combined with an inconsistent run and blocking game. A first down play for 1.5 yards puts you behind the sticks early, so there's a tendency to call plays with longer-developing routes. But 5-step drop routes are hard to convert on when the offensive line is a sieve, so you have to keep a TE and/or RB inside to help, resulting in a 3-route pass play against a full drop of backers.

He's trying to be Mike Vick a little too much. It's ok when there is one defender close but he's trying to make three guys miss.

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Williams is a bust. End of story.

Are they counting the seconds after the pocket has collapsed and he is surrounded by defenders trying to make them miss? Big difference from he had 4 seconds to make a decision or 4 second until he was lying on the ground.

No, legit 4 seconds in the pocket.

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Probably true. But context makes a difference too -how many of those were coverage sacks, how many were Caleb escaping the 1st rusher within the 1st second or two then getting sacked after running around, and how many are just bad sacks on his end? There’s definitely a mixture of all that in there just like there was for Justin.


I look at it this way -struggling is normal for a rookie QB. S some of the bad that’s on him is expected because he’s learning the game. Either way you don’t place entire blame on the rookie when this Coach has had the same results with multiple QB’s over several seasons now. Can’t blame Caleb for what we saw last year, and last year looked just as bad


The Bears have a management problem, and it bleeds everything else.

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Overall, the advanced stats on pocket time and time to throw indicate that Williams is about the league average.

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Yeah, we see Poles is a failure.. but the management above him will run this back at least a couple more seasons before admitting it.



Tbh, even if they canned everyone at the end of the year I’m not sure who they could even find to fix it. At this point there has to be many outsiders who won’t touch this shit pile.

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It's not a zero-sum game. Caleb is definitely a deer in headlights right now. He does not look good. Scheme and surrounding players do not look good, either. I'm not ready to call Caleb a bust yet, but it might be good to see how Bagent responds running the offense.

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Chase Daniel broke down film of the Cardinals game and the majority of his criticism was reserved for Caleb Williams. Repeatedly demonstrated where he refused to take the checkdown. And completely missed guys that were open. One was D.J. Moore which would have resulted in a touchdown. He's looking just as he looked whenever USC played against NFL caliber defenders.

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I have no argument to make on behalf of Caleb Williams...he has not looked good.

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Time will tell. And that’s what sucks — we have to wait. Waiting can be boring and frustrating. He will develop or not develop. I do want every single god dam draft pick this coming April to be an offensive lineman.

There does seem to be a stench that permeates from the Payton Manning QB camp type guys, they all want to hit a home run on every play and refuse to take the easy check downs, often checking out of run plays or to the wrong run play. In high school and college it worked because they hand-picked where they went to school in order to insure that had superior talent around them, in the NFL everyone has superior talent.

The problem is that NFL defenses have adjusted, using two deep safeties, daring teams to run the ball, they feel that NFL QB's will eventually become impatient and try to force throws, or hold the ball forever. It does seem defenses are making this work for the most part, except against teams that can run and throw the ball where it does not work.

That one of the biggest differences I noticed watching Daniels, he just keeps moving the chains, takes easy drop off passes, or scrambles just enough, then waits for a deep one on one shot, but Caleb refused to drop the ball off in the flat to the back and instead circles around waiting for someone to get open deep, that one second delay allows the pass rush to get home.

As Moose Johnston said, "Caleb is struggling with NFL style football".

Caleb doesn’t refuse to check down, he just can’t do it because he doesn’t have the arm. He doesn’t have the accuracy to hit those passes.

Post the tweets. It’s all out there. Caleb can’t hit those throws.

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Speculation from a DEI-crazed Caleb fan who wanted his Big Gay Quarterback to be Mahomes v 2.0 and now has to go into full cope mode.

RollodDuctTape or Grim Cutty?

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Here’s the much simpler explanation: Aside from a two-game stretch against the dregs of the NFL and a Jacksonville team that sleepwalked into the stadium in London there is almost no competition for Caleb Williams as the NFL’s worst quarterback. Bryce Young has looked better.

Vets are fed up. Players wants to win and get paid. Caleb is getting in the way of that, hence they want him benched.

Not some 8D chess by Tyson Bagent’s dad.

I don't understand why they kept Tyson Bagent. If they had to ship out Justin Fields to make it clear who the #1 quarterback is, then you probably have to ship out the other young guy who stepped in admirably last year and got people to think he could be a #1 quarterback in Bagent. Ryan Tannehill was right there. At least calling for an established veteran to come in would make sense, unlike this gossiping noodle-armed hick.

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The rumor made no sense, unless of course it was just DJ Moore who seems to be a malcontent.

You don't fire the OC AND bench the QB at the same time. If the OC is the problem, you give the QB at least a few games to prove it was also his fault. Williams is the future of the Bears for better or worse. You don't bench that player 9 games in and every Bears player knows this. It's possible you bench a QB in his second year, as they did with Bryce Young, and then the player finds his way back into the starting lineup.

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These guys don’t give a shit about the Bears little pet DEI project to redefine masculinity with some queer quarterback. These games are precious moments for them to showcase what they’ve got. Williams is holding them back, they are sick of dealing with it and it is costing them money.

Once again, you don't fire the OC and bench the QB at the same time. It would be completely illogical to do that.

You really do need to get over the fact that Williams paints his fingernails. There is enough in his on field performance to critique.

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Right, the on-field is abysmal so why is he still playing? Even if he does improve, it’s just different degrees of “not good enough”. For him to actually ascend to a decent level would require one of the greatest turnarounds ever in league history.

So why does he still play? Why does he still get such exalted status in the local media? It’s because he’s a burrito and everyone has to be very delicate when they say anything about him that is not lauding.

I'm getting the feeling that you aren't interested in actually responding to what I wrote.

You don't fire the OC and then bench the QB at the same time. If the OC is the problem, the QB gets a chance to show improvement now that they are gone.

It wouldn't be one of the greatest turnarounds ever in league history. As a rookie, he's better than Drew Brees through his first 3 years and Steve Young through his first 2 years. Obviously, Williams rookie year isn't over so that could change. I'm also not saying he will end up being a HOF player but it's irrational to act like no QB has ever struggled like Williams and ended up a great QB.

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Caleb Williams is arguably the worst quarterback to see consistent starting time in fifteen years. He benefits from a rule book that is designed to ensure he cannot fail. Do not compare him to Drew Brees and Steve Young who came from an entirely different era of pro football.

And I read what you post Brick. You said there is a precisely zero percent chance he’s not a top ten quarterback next year. Crazy talk. He can’t even hit guys five yards past the line of scrimmage, he is a complete zero.

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And he’s even worse on the short stuff! And ugh you passed on Jayden Daniels and Drake Maye to get him? WTF were they thinking this was all extremely obvious from USC.