Indiana is not a great solution but the Bears aren't being provided any solutions that are even good in Chicago besides "Just stay in Soldier Field as it is". I don't totally understand why they don't just move to AH but there is something that has stopped that completely and I can't imagine Kevin Warren wanting the Bears to play close to water is it.

But ultimately, just like the Jets and Giants learned, you can't work with a government that doesn't want to work with you and you have to take the option that isn't ideal but is still better than anything else.

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What duty does anyone have to provide the Bears with options to replace the tenth newest stadium in the NFL? The notion alone is preposterous, and as the Bears are finding out just having the gall to ask isn’t winning them any hearts or minds.

Indiana of course won’t do it, they don’t want to set that precedent with the Colts & Pacers. They’re also not going to add a venue only two hours drive from Indy to compete with Lucas Oil Stadium. Also there’s no affinity from crimson red Indiana to start handing out free cash to the DEI-crazed Bears.

It's a little disingenuous to say it's the "tenth newest stadium". I get there was a large renovation in 2003 but I don't think that makes it newer than stadiums built in 1997.


What precedent? The Colts got a deal remarkably better than what the Bears have ever had.

Northwest Indiana basically exists to leech from Chicago. They'd be more than happy to have the Bears too.

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The Jets were like "give us a free stadium in midtown Manhattan." Wow, can't imagine why that didn't work out.

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Is this meant to disagree with me? Aren't you on the "Bears deserve nothing and they should stay in Soldier Field as it is for the next 50 years" bandwagon?

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It was completely rebuilt. They kept the columns purely for aesthetics.

It’s only five years older than Lucas Oil is. Indiana is not going to give cover for the Colts to come crying that if the Bears get a new stadium on the public dime why can’t they.

The Warrenization of the Bears has made this much more complex than it needs to be.

The Bears have land; a giant, desire parcel in a relatively convenient location. What they don’t have is money, which forces them into a spot where they bicker about immaterial property tax raises because they were too dumb to check a box on a form.

Somebody with money solves the latter and buys the former with the sale of the team.

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A potential buyer of the Bears doesn’t need the money from Football Disneyland. They’ll probably prefer the heritage and status of the current location and won’t want to go to war against all the non-financial reasons people in Illinois do not want to see this happen.

It’s just not happening.

The thing is that funding has never stopped an NFL stadium. I doubt this is the first time it happens. There is something Kevin Warren really doesn't like about Arlington Heights. Eventually, they'll probably fire him and then go back to the most logical place to build it once they exhaust all the options to stay near the water.

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Your argument is that a legitimate billionaire won’t want Bearsville because that person won’t care about making more money?

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Not with the Bears, no they won’t. Right now you’ve got a one-of-a-kind priceless gem that none of your billionaire friends could buy their way into no matter how much they want to. You’re gonna trade that in for some generic trashy shit in the hinterlands?

Nah, the only reason the McCaskeys need to do this is because they have no money. Their only source of wealth is the Bears, without it they are nobodies. They must maximize the asset and they need somebody else to pay for it.

A new owner isn't buying the Bears to keep them in Soldier Field for the next 50 years. Soldier Field is done. It's illogical to not have a domed stadium in a city like Chicago.

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You have no idea what you’re talking about. Not particularly out of the ordinary for you but in this particular case its just so funny to see you insisting all these things that are demonstrably false.

NY/NJ seem fine without.

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It's only a question of timing when the Bears leave Soldier Field unless somehow they turn it into a domed stadium but that sounds very hard to do.

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Jews and Asians?

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If this was ever going to happen it would’ve happened already.

Nobody wants it, and certainly nobody wants to pay billions of dollars for it. The Bears dramatically overestimated the enthusiasm for this project, and they totally didn’t figure that it would garner so much opposition among people who like the Bears playing outside, on the lakefront.

As are Los Angeles, DC, and San Francisco.

The whole notion of the MegaJumboDome has always been for mid-tier cities trying to make names for themselves, like Houston and Indianapolis. It's illogical for "a city like Chicago" to have one. It's a waste of money!

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LA has a domed stadium now. Though, the weather in California is far better than Chicago weather. Washington is likely getting a domed stadium at some point.

If Chicago didn't currently have a football stadium and was going to build one would it be illogical to build a domed stadium in a place where the weather isn't good for outdoor activity about 6 months of the year?

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The Bears don’t have a gem. They don’t have anything.

They lease a community park district venue several times a year and have done so for about 50yrs.

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If the city and state didn't have the money for it and football is traditionally played outdoors in inclement weather anyway? Then yeah, it wouldn't make sense.

New York tried to build a dome for the Dodgers. Basically Shea with a roof. Everyone hated it, the Dodgers left, and they built Shea without it for the Mets.

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In terms of pure location, the Chicago lakefront has the most prestige in the league. The Giants and Jets are in a swamp over in Jersey, the Rams, Cowboys, 49ers, and Redskins are all in nondescript suburbia, the Eagles are in Philly's weird Designated Stadium Zone, and the Patriots are in a strip mall halfway to Providence. There's something to be said for being that close to downtown. But it sucks to drive to, like everything in downtown Chicago, and it's ugly.

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I don’t really have a view on power ranking NFL stadium locations.

But - and this is where the real owner part comes in - that location doesn’t benefit the franchise or its owner in any discernible way. If they could own a stadium in that spot, sure. But they can’t so we’re back to debating whether people worth billions of dollars would rather own a cash machine irrespective of location or if they’re happy to continue renting a municipal venue like they’re hosting a kid’s birthday party 8 times a year.

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What I’m saying is you get a midlife refresh which is exactly what Pittsburgh is doing.

What!?

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A lot has changed since then. If you've ever been to a football game in a dome like in Indy and Detroit you have to question why Chicago doesn't have one.

I get the funding part of not wanting to pay for it but to act like a dome for the Bears and other events isn't a far superior option to Soldier Field is just being stubborn.

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The Steelers have been kicking the tires on some renovations to their stadium rather than a full replacement.

It's interesting how the Rooneys actually are what the McCaskeys think they are. The Steelers, who have won two of three Super Bowls over the lifespan of their current stadium, are quietly seeking modest updates. The Bears, who play sub-.400 football, demand a new stadium and call a weird press conference where a preacher thanks God for the opportunity to ask for public money.

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I tend not to make it to Detroit Lions games, but I've been to Brewers games at Miller Park with the roof closed and never once thought "I wish the Cubs and Sox had this." There's an uncanny-valley feel to it, and that's even with Milwaukee still using real grass. I guess it's nice since one of those games would have been a rainout, but I'm fine with it being an environment that someone else's team has.

Honestly, football in person is not really on my to-do list, but I would rather sit outside. And if the weather is really not conducive to sitting outside, I can watch it on TV and let more serious football fans sit outside. The whole outdoor-sport-indoors experience just doesn't captivate me.

I don't know. Attendees of Colts and Lions games, what do you think?

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That’s what seems lost in this discussion: watching an NFL game on TV is VASTLY superior to seeing it in person. It’s like the point of the new stadium would be for everything except the Bears games.

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They also Flores rumors they need a new stadium in 10 years. Nothing is happening now.

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