It's interesting but not surprising how many people don't understand your point here about possessions and just look at total points, instead of points per drive.

Both offenses played well yesterday. Neither defense played very well. I don't understand anyone who watched the game who came to a different conclusion.

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LGBTQ Time Guy will tell you field's played better then Caleb because he /xe had a game sealing run on only his second play of the day. No other bear's QB ever ended the game on there second play of the day.

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And here I was thinking it was the team with the most points who won at the end of the game.

Bears offense didn't "play well" unless you consider playing ball control offense and not scoring touchdowns once it was over "playing well".
Green Bay however did whatever it wanted too and between the pick and the inane call on 4th and goal likely left 10 points on the board.
The Bears defense is atrocious against the run. I think that is what has played out over the past 3 weeks. They don't stand a chance against power running backs. You can run it up the gut against them all day long if ya want.and there is nothing they can do about it if you have a power running game. 5 yards or better nearly each time.

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The two teams literaly averaged basically the same points per drive and ended up a point away from each other in agregate but for LGBTQ Time Guy one clearly did whatever it wanted to while the other sucked. I would say u can't make this shit up even if you tried but as a liberal non confirming transgenderist he/xe literaly makes shit up as a way of life.

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Another aspect which I don't see mentioned and I complained about at the time was the bears going for the 2-point conversion in the third quarter. In a game where points were clearly at a premium and YTD NFL success rate is 32.4%, that struck me as way too early.

Plus to me the call was bad, a pass to the northeast corner of the north endzone. The receiver had to look directly into the low, bright sun.

Had they instead kicked the extra point they would have had a chance in overtime.

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Part of it is moving the 1PAT back. Shifting the odds of that one point from basically automatic to 95% makes a huge difference.

"basically" doing a lot of work in this discussion.

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Not really. Missed PAT’s were one-in-three-hundred before the rule change. In every season I looked at before 2015 the vast majority of teams in the league were 100% on the year. It was as close to automatic as things get in the NFL, it happened (and sometimes in crucial moments) but those were gimme’s.

Now you have the inverse. The vast majority of teams have missed PAT’s at some point every season, and every year a couple of teams finish with a below 90% rate on them. In 2016 the Vikings were below 80%!

Yet, you think it was too dangerous to let Williams do a handoff to get the field goal closer and lined up correctly.

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I do. Maybe if the Bears didn’t have arguably the worst starting quarterback in the NFL I’d have a different take. Maybe if they drafted Bo Nix.

But we’re stuck with this bum, so no definitely take the ball out of his hands. Had he not taken two sacks to start that drive the Bears would’ve been ten yards further downfield and made the kick.

But again, you are arguing about a 94% success rate based on the last 5 years. It was 96% last year. Yet, even if we so with the absurd and assume that Williams will fumble 1% of his handoffs, and it's likely .01% of his handoffs, you still have a remarkably higher percentage than the chance of a missed extra point.

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He can do a lot more to fuck the drive up than fumble a handoff, though yes that is how he fucked up the Redskins game. Even so much as a false start (which the Bears were somehow miraculously getting away with yesterday) really hurts the Bears chances.

I trust Caleb’s ability to improvise some surprising way to lose a game. He’s gotten so good at it already.

you are really grasping to resort to him causing the OLineman to fumble the handoff

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Williams has 4 fumbles this year. Three of those fumbles were on pass plays; one came on a play where the backup center received a handoff in his stomach that may or may not have been a couple inches high, depending on one’s level of irrational hatred for Caleb Williams.

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It’s what happened. You can watch it if you want.

Well, he's put them in a position to win both the Commanders and Packers games. So I don't know why you wouldn't trust him to give them a chance to win in a close game.

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Three points against the Patriots. He should’ve been benched, instead they fired the offensive coordinator for Caleb’s sins. Now they’ve resorted to turning him into a runner, basically identical to what they did with Fields, which we know isn’t going to lead to team success but at least keeps it from being “three points against New England” bad.

Why are we talking about the Patriots game now?

Williams put them in a position where they had overwhelming odds to win the Commanders and Packers game. Yet, you aren't trusting him to keep them in field goal range?

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I think he stinks. You think he’s a guaranteed top ten quarterback in the NFL. We’ll see who is correct.

Hey let's not reference the game in which the offensive coordinator was scapegoated in order to placate our "Generational Talent" because he stunk just that bad

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Do people understand that even with all his garbage time stat padding against woeful opponents (he has played the easiest schedule of any quarterback in the NFL to date by far) he’s basically been about as bad as Daniel Jones and Anthony Richardson?

I just don’t think it’s set in at all with some of you. He could be statistically the fifteenth or so best quarterback in the NFL and you should be thinking “well yeah… but…” because of his opponents. Instead he’s basically tied with a few other guys for the second or third worst statistical quarterback in the NFL and still hope springs eternal because he ran the ball a little bit.

No, I didn't say top ten. I said league average or around top fifteen as a floor. It's a big gap between top ten and top fifteen though.

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Well currently he’s about tied for 29th after spending half a season scraping the dregs of the leagues worst passing offenses.

Well, it's a good thing I didn't say he would be top fifteen this year then.

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So you agree he’s been bad this year? You say right now he’s not top fifteen. OK, is he top twenty-five? Top thirty?

He's had some horrifically bad games this year. The first two were easy to excuse. The last 3 games prior to the Packers were really bad too. That's obviously concerning.

However, and I've been consistent on this even when Fields was a rookie, it doesn't really matter that much this year. Rookie stats for quarterbacks aren't predicative of much. Even rookie hero CJ Stroud is having a much worse season so far in year 2 though I think he'll be good long term.

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The goal post for "fairly quickly" will be moved next year just as it was this season.

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