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Eberflus is out on the first train smoking that Monday following the last game of the season.

While I think he's not a bad DC, hid team is simply too undisciplined and loses too many close games. Someone has to pay for that. Coupled with the terrible season that they are having, there is no way that you can bring him back

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Safety Theo Jackson said the Vikings knew they had a chance because Santos kicks with “a low trajectory” and linebacker Pat Jones II said he was surprised to see the team didn’t change their protection scheme after last Sunday’s debacle.

“That’s kind of rare, because normally teams will go clean up what they need to clean up . . . You always expect teams to fix stuff, but we knew if they didn’t get it fixed, we’re going to go get us one,” Jones said, via ESPN.com.

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Caleb progressing with a new OC is a fact. Clumsy, stupid coaching and sloppy play is also a fact.

The head coach has got to go. Today. He's a dead man walking anyway. Pull the switch.


The tricky thing is to determine whether to keep Thomas Brown when the new head coach comes in and wants his own people.

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can we blame eberflus for challenging the addison out of bounds play? because at the stadium it was pretty clear on this "boundary cam" that he stepped out when they showed it on the scoreboard.... it was interesting during the TV timeout the dumb ref announced the call stands to the stadium. during replay reviews, in the stadium they show the fans the same feed the ref is watching. it was noticeable that the boundary cam was not used during review....

wtf is the point in showing anyone the boundary cam if it cant be used to correct a call? i though the nfl pretty much fixed all calls with their "official assistance" or whatever bullshit name they use when new york just fixes all the ref fuckups.


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I don't think they are firing him in season, but definitely not on a short week. Maybe after Thanksgiving if things go bad on Thursday.

Another factor is if they really want to see what Brown could do as an Interim HC. If they do then that will clearly impact their decision on when to fire Flus.

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The Bears firing Flus and hiring the OC would be the most Bears thing ever.

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I know I don't know much about football,but for those in the Eberflus is a defensive guru club :

Lombardi- " he runs such a generic scheme"

"they're too simple,there's not enough complication within their defensive scheme


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The Bears firing Flus and hiring the OC would be the most Bears thing ever.

However it goes the Bears will select the wrong route. If they do not consider him he will get another HC job at some point and be great. If they do select him he will be terrible and be one of those Bears things.

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His "above average defense" gave up nearly 500 yards yesterday, including 120 rushing yards and letting TWO Vikings receivers run wild with over 100 receiving yards each. Caleb Williams was the only reason they were in that game until the end, and even then Eberflus tried to lose it with dumb decisions on 4th down and clock management.


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The defense also got the 3rd & 1 stop it needed to get the ball back to the offense. And kept the game from drifting into outright blowout territory in the third quarter when Caleb and the special teams kept fucking up. It wasn’t a great performance, but they also held the line when they absolutely needed to a couple times.

Realistically it was two special teams plays that did the heavy lifting. Carter’s monster return put the Bears within scoring range and the onside kick recovery was the miracle play the Bears needed to force overtime. Without either of those plays the mood today is much less jubilant.


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"Bend, don't break" defensive principles are ruinous in close games, especially late in close games, because by design they allow the opposing offense to march down the field and get into FG range with ease.

There were also at least 7 plays where the "above average defense" gave up 20 yards or more, and 3 of those went for 40 yards or more. And that's not even counting the penalty yards, offsides gifts, and completely undisciplined tackling that turned minimal gains into first downs. Eberflus is a mid DC talent at the absolute best.


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The defense also got the 3rd & 1 stop it needed to get the ball back to the offense. And kept the game from drifting into outright blowout territory in the third quarter when Caleb and the special teams kept fucking up. It wasn’t a great performance, but they also held the line when they absolutely needed to a couple times.

Realistically it was two special teams plays that did the heavy lifting. Carter’s monster return put the Bears within scoring range and the onside kick recovery was the miracle play the Bears needed to force overtime. Without either of those plays the mood today is much less jubilant.


The same drive as the 3rd & 1 stop they gave up a 3rd & 13 first down pass to just off the bench Nick Mullins and a 3rd & 12 pass for 34 yards to Hock. Stopping either of those 3rd downs prevents the field goal and keeps it a one score game where they don't need the heavy lifting of the kick return after the FG or onsides kick to get to OT.


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can we blame eberflus for challenging the addison out of bounds play? because at the stadium it was pretty clear on this "boundary cam" that he stepped out when they showed it on the scoreboard.... it was interesting during the TV timeout the dumb ref announced the call stands to the stadium. during replay reviews, in the stadium they show the fans the same feed the ref is watching. it was noticeable that the boundary cam was not used during review....

wtf is the point in showing anyone the boundary cam if it cant be used to correct a call? i though the nfl pretty much fixed all calls with their "official assistance" or whatever bullshit name they use when new york just fixes all the ref fuckups.

Except it wasn’t clear he stepped out. If you zoom in on the picture showing the key moment his foot appears to be in bounds.
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I know I don't know much about football,but for those in the Eberflus is a defensive guru club :

Lombardi- " he runs such a generic scheme"

"they're too simple,there's not enough complication within their defensive scheme





His base is a cover-2 which is about as non complex as it gets.. but that’s kind of on purpose. It’s a personnel heavy defense meaning you add as much talent as possible and let them try and make plays by keeping everything in front of them, having the coverage facing the offense in order to watch the QB’s eyes and so on. It’s a ‘bend but don’t break’ approach. It’s one of the reasons why they’re always so tough in the red zone.


So as usual Lombardi is stating the obvious.


The biggest issue with this defense is you have to have more talent to run it. So, when guys get injured this becomes problematic because it’s not a scheme driven philosophy as much as it’s a player driven philosophy. That’s why you’ll constantly hear about needing a good ‘3 technique’ to run it properly and so on.


The 2nd biggest issue with this defense -and we saw this plenty during the Lovie years- is that it sucks to run in a close game on the final drive when the opposing team just needs to get into FG range. Due to its ‘bend but don’t break’ nature and typical rushing of just 4 guys.. it’s usually not hard to work the soft spots in the zone identified during film study to get into FG range.


This scheme relies heavily on the discipline of each player individually and ‘trusting’ the guy next to you rather than scheming a playmaker into position to get a sack or make a big play using mixed coverages, blitz packages, or moving a guy around on the field.

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billypootons wrote:
can we blame eberflus for challenging the addison out of bounds play? because at the stadium it was pretty clear on this "boundary cam" that he stepped out when they showed it on the scoreboard.... it was interesting during the TV timeout the dumb ref announced the call stands to the stadium. during replay reviews, in the stadium they show the fans the same feed the ref is watching. it was noticeable that the boundary cam was not used during review....

wtf is the point in showing anyone the boundary cam if it cant be used to correct a call? i though the nfl pretty much fixed all calls with their "official assistance" or whatever bullshit name they use when new york just fixes all the ref fuckups.


"The boundary cam shows it, but we can't use the boundary cam, because not every stadium has one." Then why doesn't every stadium have one? Didn't realize you guys were that hard up.

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billypootons wrote:
can we blame eberflus for challenging the addison out of bounds play? because at the stadium it was pretty clear on this "boundary cam" that he stepped out when they showed it on the scoreboard.... it was interesting during the TV timeout the dumb ref announced the call stands to the stadium. during replay reviews, in the stadium they show the fans the same feed the ref is watching. it was noticeable that the boundary cam was not used during review....

wtf is the point in showing anyone the boundary cam if it cant be used to correct a call? i though the nfl pretty much fixed all calls with their "official assistance" or whatever bullshit name they use when new york just fixes all the ref fuckups.


"The boundary cam shows it, but we can't use the boundary cam, because not every stadium has one." Then why doesn't every stadium have one? Didn't realize you guys were that hard up.




Seems like a really dumb reason to eliminate something. I remember them saying that in the broadcast and laughing to myself but whatever.


Also, I thought it showed on that replay (the boundary cam) that he did not step out anyway

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I don't think they are firing him in season, but definitely not on a short week. Maybe after Thanksgiving if things go bad on Thursday.

Another factor is if they really want to see what Brown could do as an Interim HC. If they do then that will clearly impact their decision on when to fire Flus.




I think this is a bad idea. If Brown is put in that role then he has to take on the responsibility of the entire team, leaving the offense in the hands of someone else. And to do that just when Caleb is starting to turn another corner would be a mistake imo. This team is cooked playoff wise so salvaging the season is kind of a waste of time. I think the rest of the season should be dedicated to continued development of Williams and at the moment this is their best option for that.


The other side of this is its actually kind of unfair to Brown as well. To go from assistant, to OC, to interim HC in the span of a few weeks wouldn't allow him much time to settle either. I actually think the best chance to evaluate Brown this season is to leave him where he is now and see how he can progress the offense. There will be plenty of time to interview him for the role at seasons end.


Laslty, putting Caleb in the hands of a 3rd OC in his rookie year could have some severe consequences and I don't think its worth the risk.


Like it or not, Eberflus staying put for the rest of the season provides some stability and that helps give the Bears more time to evaluate a guy like Brown where he is now. Not to mention it allows the Bears brass to maintain their status quo by not firing a coach in season, whether or not that actually means anything to the rest of the league I don't know, but there it is.

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For me, defense yesterday was the final nail in the coffin to get rid of him today. Short week is a better time, not worse. It's Detroit, for chrissake. You aren't winning anyway. It's basically an exhibition game and just an opportunity for a new HC to get his feet wet. Like a spring training game. I don't know what the big deal is.


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For me, defense yesterday was the final nail in the coffin to get rid of him today. Short week is a better time, not worse. It's Detroit, for chrissake. You aren't winning anyway. It's basically an exhibition game and just an opportunity for a new HC to get his feet wet. Like a spring training game. I don't know what the big deal is.

The big deal is that these parvenu bog apes think they're serious old money and have to conduct themselves as pure gentlemen. Just fire the bad coach.

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I don’t see a ton of value in launching him now as opposed to black Monday.

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I don’t see a ton of value in launching him now as opposed to black Monday.

The value is telling your players we see what you see. Do what you can next game but it's a throwaway and then get a mini-bye and go to work.


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I don’t see a ton of value in launching him now as opposed to black Monday.

The value is telling your players we see what you see. Do what you can next game but it's a throwaway and then get a mini-bye and go to work.

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I don’t see a ton of value in launching him now as opposed to black Monday.

In terms of wins and losses, it doesn't really do anything. It's really just a public relations move: throw red meat to the baying masses to show them that you're not consumed by some imagined upper-class code of ethics that forbids firing a coach midseason, or worse, that you can't afford to get rid of him while you're asking for billions of dollars in public money.

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I don’t see a ton of value in launching him now as opposed to black Monday.

The value is telling your players we see what you see. Do what you can next game but it's a throwaway and then get a mini-bye and go to work.


And, losing becomes a habit and a culture.

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I don’t see a ton of value in launching him now as opposed to black Monday.

The value is telling your players we see what you see. Do what you can next game but it's a throwaway and then get a mini-bye and go to work.


And, losing becomes a habit and a culture.

Antioch said "ehh" so that's the end of it. He's my measuring stick.


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I don’t see a ton of value in launching him now as opposed to black Monday.

The value is telling your players we see what you see. Do what you can next game but it's a throwaway and then get a mini-bye and go to work.


And, losing becomes a habit and a culture.

You aren’t going to cut that rot out of this team until you get people to stop gloating after losses because the offense scored more than three points.

This team’s culture is fucked and it’s deeper than the head coach, it comes from the media & fans. The Bears need an extremely strong personality in here to squash that noise from outside Halas Hall, but due to George being George they will never hire that man.


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They are a loser organization. The defense is either bad or quit when Billings got hurt. I don’t see an in-season move changing those things.

All you can hope for the rest of the way is that Williams continues to play well, but not really because his good plays could have actually been bad. Does firing Flus with a few weeks to go further that cause? Ehh.

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I don’t see a ton of value in launching him now as opposed to black Monday.

I don’t either.

I also don’t necessarily blame him the way others do. He’s a bad coach, the record he has earned is a reflection of his quality. But honestly this five game skid is because this team is simply not good, never was good and will never be good. Three points against New England kiddos, that’s the lowest point total any time has mustered league wide this year and it happened against a shit team at home.

I don’t care who is coaching, that is a reflection of the players.


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can we blame eberflus for challenging the addison out of bounds play? because at the stadium it was pretty clear on this "boundary cam" that he stepped out when they showed it on the scoreboard.... it was interesting during the TV timeout the dumb ref announced the call stands to the stadium. during replay reviews, in the stadium they show the fans the same feed the ref is watching. it was noticeable that the boundary cam was not used during review....

wtf is the point in showing anyone the boundary cam if it cant be used to correct a call? i though the nfl pretty much fixed all calls with their "official assistance" or whatever bullshit name they use when new york just fixes all the ref fuckups.


So now the Bears got penalized for actually having the correct technology in place for deciding if a play was correctly called. What a farce the NFL officiating as a body is. That play call was ridiculously decided.

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