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You can't let this guy walk into the building tomorrow except to clean out his office. He's openly lost the locker room.


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I think Caleb needs to get better at situating receivers and setting the protection faster, but he's right that managing timeouts relative to the game clock is squarely on the coach. Also good on him for bus-tossing his idiot head coach.


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This Ends in Antioch wrote:

How do you not get a whiff of this level of incompetence during the hiring process? Aren't timed game management questions a standard part of the interview?


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This is like Ken Lay and Skilling saying they liked the way they ran Enron it just didn’t work out like they wanted it to.


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This Ends in Antioch wrote:

How do you not get a whiff of this level of incompetence during the hiring process? Aren't timed game management questions a standard part of the interview?



The thing about today is that the right call was so obvious that you’d never even ask a question that elementary. It would be like asking a coach if he would want his team to watch film.


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Midseason coach firings around the NFL since 2010:

RAIDERS!: Dennis Allen '14, Jon Gruden '21, Josh McDaniels '23
Broncos: also Josh McDaniels '10, Nathaniel Hackett '22
Chiefs: Todd Haley '11
Chargers: Brandon Staley '23
Texans: Gary Kubiak '13, Bill O'Brien '20
Colts: Frank Reich '22 (the hilarious Jeff Saturday experiment)
Jaguars: Jack Del Rio '11, Gus Bradley '16, WOAT Urban Meyer '21
Browns: HUUUUUEEEEE! Jackson '18
Bills: Rex Ryan '16 (DICK JAURON! was a year before my cutoff)
Dolphins: Tony Sparano '11, Joe Philbin '15
Jets: Robert Saleh '24
Cowboys: Wade Phillips '10, they had never fired a coach midseason until him
Giants: Ben McAdoo '17
Redskins: Jay Gruden '19
Eagles: Chip Kelly '15
Rams: Jeff Fisher '16
49ers: CAN'T DO IT '10
Falcons: Dan Quinn '20
Panthers: Ron Rivera '19, Matt Rhule '22, Frank Reich '23
Saints: Dennis Allen '24
Vikings: Brad Childress '10
Packers: Mike McCarthy '18
Lions: Matt Patricia '20

Teams that haven't:
Ravens: it's just been John Harbaugh
Steelers: it's just been Mike Tomlin
Seahawks: it had just been Pete Carroll
Patriots: c'mon
Bengals: they had to be cattle-prodded into firing Marvin Lewis
Buccaneers: they just fire the coach every two years or so
Titans: maybe the closest comp to the Bears, after the decent enough Jeff Fisher, a long parade of underachieving lunkheads
Cardinals: maybe even closer, another old NFL family that likes to be polite, unless you count fucking over St. Louis
Bears: it's just not a Lake Forest thing to do!

So in the last 15 seasons, counting this one, almost three-quarters of the league has fired a coach midseason. Of the ones that haven't, you have teams who have achieved sustained dominance in Baltimore/Pittsburgh/Boston, a revolving-door situation with the Bucs, three bumbling family businesses, and a bumbling family business that went to the Super Bowl a couple years ago. Teams who are far more accomplished than the Bears have been able to do it and so should they.

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WR DJ Moore
"I don't know why we ain't call a timeout."


WR Keenan Allen
"I feel like we did enough as players to win the game."


S Jaquan Brisker
"You can't make it up.."


CB Kyler Gordon
"Next question. No comment."

K Cairo Santos
"I didn’t see that happening. We rehearse these scenarios and I imagine myself kicking that. I know we want to play for the win, but I just kind of imagine myself at least getting a shot there."


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WR DJ Moore
"I don't know why we ain't call a timeout."


WR Keenan Allen
"I feel like we did enough as players to win the game."


S Jaquan Brisker
"You can't make it up.."


CB Kyler Gordon
"Next question. No comment."

K Cairo Santos
"I didn’t see that happening. We rehearse these scenarios and I imagine myself kicking that. I know we want to play for the win, but I just kind of imagine myself at least getting a shot there."

100% lost the locker room.

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The McClaskeys are out of their minds if they don't pull the plug on this guy. This might be worse than when Trestman bottomed out. Gross incompetence.

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Kamala Eberflus.

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The McClaskeys are out of their minds if they don't pull the plug on this guy. This might be worse than when Trestman bottomed out. Gross incompetence.

What was the lowest point of Dr. Death, again? I know this is without question the worst failure of coaching in modern team history but I can't think of the runner up.


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You saw first hand why he didn’t fuck around against Green Bay and just took the field goal attempt. I’ve never seen a Bears offense that moves backwards like this one.


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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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The McClaskeys are out of their minds if they don't pull the plug on this guy. This might be worse than when Trestman bottomed out. Gross incompetence.

What was the lowest point of Dr. Death, again? I know this is without question the worst failure of coaching in modern team history but I can't think of the runner up.

I feel better about this team than Trestman’s given the way Marc (with a C!!) handled Cutty at the end. But this whole losing streak, improbable losses, inability to admit coaching mistakes…I don’t recall this amalgamation of suck from a Bears HC.

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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
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The McClaskeys are out of their minds if they don't pull the plug on this guy. This might be worse than when Trestman bottomed out. Gross incompetence.

What was the lowest point of Dr. Death, again? I know this is without question the worst failure of coaching in modern team history but I can't think of the runner up.

Either the 55-14 loss to the Packers on Sunday night off the bye week and a Patriots blowout, or losing 5 in a row to end the season 5-11. I guess it's a matter of perspective but I'd say the Packers game was the moment it was all over.

This losing streak is worse than either of those, though, because on some level you kinda have to shrug off getting owned by Brady and Rodgers in their prime, and after those games, the season was over, so who cares if they lost the rest of the way. But this? Four of these six losses were eminently winnable games that they screwed up in completely avoidable ways. They could be 8-4 right now or even just 6-6. This is the most incompetence we've ever seen from the Bears and it's not even close.

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It’s the sheer asininity of these losses. The D in DC. The clock management here. The end of game management against GB.

They’ve had routine, play-like-shit losses during this steak but they have a bunch of crotch kicks mixed in that ought to trigger a good old fashioned firing.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
It’s the sheer asininity of these losses. The D in DC. The clock management here. The end of game management against GB.

They’ve had routine, play-like-shit losses during this steak but they have a bunch of crotch kicks mixed in that ought to trigger a good old fashioned firing.

OK but you can’t really hate on him too much for the Green Bay field position management considering he was worried about the Bears offense doing exactly what it did here against the Lions backing them out of field goal range.

Should he be fired? Yes. And he will be.

But he is also being held up as a scapegoat for issues that run a lot deeper than him. This team finds itself deeply overmatched by opponents, and really between the Lions losing about one defensive starter every other play and the special teams wizardry last week these games are only close by the grace of god.


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I will say that it's notable that Williams never gets intercepted but often gets sacked. I know a lot of that is the offensive line but is some of it just perfectionism on his part, where he'd rather move backward looking for the right opening than turn it over?

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
It’s the sheer asininity of these losses. The D in DC. The clock management here. The end of game management against GB.

They’ve had routine, play-like-shit losses during this steak but they have a bunch of crotch kicks mixed in that ought to trigger a good old fashioned firing.

OK but you can’t really hate on him too much for the Green Bay field position management considering he was worried about the Bears offense doing exactly what it did here against the Lions backing them out of field goal range.

Should he be fired? Yes. And he will be.

But he is also being held up as a scapegoat for issues that run a lot deeper than him. This team finds itself deeply overmatched by opponents, and really between the Lions losing about one defensive starter every other play and the special teams wizardry last week these games are only close by the grace of god.

I know it’s a bit and all that, but the complaint with GB is that he didn’t hand the ball off to get a couple yards and move the ball to the right hash. So literally not exactly the same thing Dr. USA. Nobody would argue that there’s been multiple times Caleb has moved the Bears out of FG range handing the ball off

The sack today had two guys hit him inside of two seconds running clear on both ends. If that’s the play design then sure, Caleb fucked up.

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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
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This Ends in Antioch wrote:
It’s the sheer asininity of these losses. The D in DC. The clock management here. The end of game management against GB.

They’ve had routine, play-like-shit losses during this steak but they have a bunch of crotch kicks mixed in that ought to trigger a good old fashioned firing.

OK but you can’t really hate on him too much for the Green Bay field position management considering he was worried about the Bears offense doing exactly what it did here against the Lions backing them out of field goal range.

Should he be fired? Yes. And he will be.

But he is also being held up as a scapegoat for issues that run a lot deeper than him. This team finds itself deeply overmatched by opponents, and really between the Lions losing about one defensive starter every other play and the special teams wizardry last week these games are only close by the grace of god.

I know it’s a bit and all that, but the complaint with GB is that he didn’t hand the ball off to get a couple yards and move the ball to the right hash. So literally not exactly the same thing Dr. USA. Nobody would argue that there’s been multiple times Caleb has moved the Bears out of FG range handing the ball off

And how does that prevent there from being an offensive penalty? Or some pre-snap bullshit (this Bears team loves those, and got baited once again by the oldest trick in the book today).

Should he be fired because the Bears are a mess of procedure penalties and are literally like the one NFL team in the last ten years who actually gets fooled by 4th & 1 hard counts? Yes.
Should he be fired because he knows this about his team and tries to limit their ability to fuck the team out of field goal range? No.


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If he believes his team consists of so many fuck ups they can’t hand the ball off without a fumble or penalty, he should be fired.

If he made the call that he can’t risk a handoff, he should be fired.

If his offense can be baited into false starts in those situations, he should be fired.

If his preferred strategy results in a blown game, he should be fired.

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If he believes his team consists of so many fuck ups they can’t hand the ball off without a fumble or penalty, he should be fired.

If he made the call that he can’t risk a handoff, he should be fired.

If his offense can be baited into false starts in those situations, he should be fired.

If his preferred strategy results in a blown game, he should be fired.

And where have I said he should keep his job?

I am simply saying that with this particular team the risk of getting a couple yards or centering the ball isn’t worth the reward. Unfortunately another flaw of this team is that they struggle blocking on field goals, I mean what a fucking shit show genuinely but I am also CERTAIN that you have a serious issue with players that is going to take years to fix.

Uberloss is not the guy who signed Nate Davis. The Bears have a tolerance for bullshit that goes above him.


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Fire Poles too. He lucked into his better moves and he’s been objectively bad too many times.

The biggest fuck up here is allowing Poles to keep Flus, draft a QB 1/1 and then put him in a spot to fire Flus. These guys should be a package deal.

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Fire Poles too. He lucked into his better moves and he’s been objectively bad too many times.

The biggest fuck up here is allowing Poles to keep Flus, draft a QB 1/1 and then put him in a spot to fire Flus. These guys should be a package deal.

This is why I’m OK not firing Uberloss now. Let Poles live with his creation and endure full accountability for it. When the Bears finish this season 4-13 every goes.

Though the mess to clean up is profound. And the attitude around the franchise will be dismal. Keep in mind the Bears were only five years separated from an NFC Championship game appearance when Pace embarked on his rebuild, and Poles began his with 2018 (sad that this is what passes for a legendary season in Bearsworld) still a somewhat recent memory. Now you are firmly in a dark age. The Bears are in a true circle of despair, the world the Lions inhabited for fifty years. The Browns have been wondering who their new roommate would be.


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Poles should probably go, not firing Eberflus at two different junctures is a fireable offense, but the howling for Eberflus to go is just so deafening right now that the McCaskeys have to do it tomorrow to show they live on the same planet as the rest of us. But then again, we never thought they did.

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Poles should probably go, not firing Eberflus at two different junctures is a fireable offense, but the howling for Eberflus to go is just so deafening right now that the McCaskeys have to do it tomorrow to show they live on the same planet as the rest of us. But then again, we never thought they did.

If George gets up in front of the press and talks about his centenarian mommy’s feelings, I’ll shit my pants. I’ll do it. I don’t care.

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Fire Poles too. He lucked into his better moves and he’s been objectively bad too many times.

The biggest fuck up here is allowing Poles to keep Flus, draft a QB 1/1 and then put him in a spot to fire Flus. These guys should be a package deal.

ehh, I guess.


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Fire Poles too. He lucked into his better moves and he’s been objectively bad too many times.

The biggest fuck up here is allowing Poles to keep Flus, draft a QB 1/1 and then put him in a spot to fire Flus. These guys should be a package deal.

ehh, I guess.

I need an accountabili-buddy. Ehh won’t cut it.

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Dumbass NME wanted too keep Eberflu's around for "continuity'. Hahahaha this game is exactly why you fire bad people u don't just keep them around becuse the alternative scare's you. weak ass cuck thinking

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