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Crevier is playing today. I'd hope that Brodie and Folgino get the day off on the back to back.

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yeah, they're hanging in there. hoping they can get more shots (quality or not) on fleury. never thought he was the greatest shot-stopper. some hard work and a lucky bounce and the man who never met a shot he didn't like, donato - with the killer turn around snapper in front.

saw crevier in the pre-game, usually blackhawk media gets the lineups correct...they posted that a few hours before opening face-off. no problem with crevier in. may not show in 2024-25 scores, blackhawks look to have a very deep D by the end of 2025-2026.

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wow, haunted house period. a 2023-24 blackhawks hockey period in 2024-25 st. paul.

fluery playing well. credit to minnesota for a great first goal. then murphy's law took over and it looks like a steep hill to climb, just to get to OT and secure 1 point. all that bad stuff, after blowing another lead. 2-0 road lead. i guess the mire of rebuild hockey is a tough rut to get out of.

again, the good news is that murphy's $4.4 million per will disappear after next season. sack of crap playing on the 1st D pair and getting too many minutes. as if the club didn't have other albatrosses around it's neck. martinez, crevier, brodie playing well. vlasic and kaiser below par, and murphy has been murphy. mrazek is allowed a howler today. not every day, but, today.


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Can they manage to retain half of Murphy's salary at the deadline and move him along for a token draft pick? So many young defensemen who need minutes.

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if they choose to, they are still under the cap by nearly $7 million. they're still paying $2 million per of mccabe's leaf contract. lots of money will be available next season and mccabe's & josh bailey's salary retention also come off the books.

hockey showed us it's predictability. the predictability that i believe turns off some potential fans. the home ice/penalty situation. when the road blackhawks got their 3rd consecutive PP in the 3rd period, trailing 3-2...you knew they better score here because the wild would get some gifts and the blackhawks weren't getting anymore PPs - unless a wild player slashed a hawk player in the face and drew blood. the predictability became reality and the blackhawks lost 4 mins killing nonsensical penalties in the 3rd. if one club is moving it's legs and it happens to be the road club, why not give the road club a 4-1 PP advantage? i guess not. they also messed up a clear empty net goal for the wild. amateur hour.

hall with a fuck-up that you have to credit minnesota for scoring. murphy and mrazek with fucking up a cup of coffee moments. oh well. minnestoa getting great looks from the slot on their PPs. hawks can't get 2 seconds of time and space on their PP.


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The interference call on Donato was absolutely ridiculous, and it seemed like he got it for complaining about the earlier non-call.

Broissoit (sp?) had another surgery and is out for 6 more weeks, so that means that Soderblom probably sticks in Chicago for the entire season. They may as well give him 40% of the starts and see if the start of the season was a fluke or if he's really improved enough to be counted on if they get an offer for Mrazek.

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yeah, hockey-nato has been around a bit, should have known that the wild were 'due' a PP. i'm sure mrazek feels terrible, they couldn't pick him up.

shame, club is much better than last year with around the same point totals. really need the 2 points on sunday against columbus. tough stretch after that - could start seeing some major separation between the blackhawks and playoff pretenders. the classy martinez hit the bar...it's one thing to be snake-bit, another to get 'murphied'. hard to moan about luck when some of these guys make the same mistakes, game after game and are lucky charms for the opposition. a stay at home D-man, not good when that stay at home D-man has poor eye-stick-foot coordination. even brodie has played better than murphy and murphy is getting 20+ mins a night. some nifty stuff from brodie today.

murphy is 31, prime age for a veteran stay-at-home D-man. the usa is in the 4 nations cup. no one would ever talk about murphy for team usa, the talk is for vlasic and i feel much of that is desperation from hawk people. i doubt vlasic makes team usa..but this is my point of how a $4.4 million per year d-man is not rated at all as a talent. i know he tries hard, just not good enough. soon, he'll be gone and the club will be better - a better d-man and more money for salary.


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Can they manage to retain half of Murphy's salary at the deadline and move him along for a token draft pick? So many young defensemen who need minutes.


contract rules tell us that there is a maximum of 3 retained salaries. the bailey salary can be bought out, which leaves mccabe. so the club has 2 spots. i hope murphy and maybe hall (on $6 million per in his last year) is the other obvious trade candidate with a high salary. the most the club can retain is 50% of salary, which means $3 million for hall and clubs that may want him would have to be at least $3 million under the cap.

nashville traded former dallas star G wedgewood to colorado. colorado being proactive with squirrely goalie georgiev. if wedgewood plays well, takes colorado out of the mrazek sweepstakes and basically, out of cap space.


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wyshinski of espn tells us that coach luke's seat is 'burning up'. a 'coaching source' tells him that it's a matter of 'when', not 'if'.

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Meanwhile, the situation in Chicago has caught the attention of the coaching community for several reasons.

Richardson, 55, is in his third season coaching the Blackhawks. According to reports, the first three years were guaranteed, and the Blackhawks have the option for a fourth season.

The Blackhawks are in a deep rebuilding mode, which is why Richardson has a .342 points percentage after 184 games behind the bench. They're slightly better season over season in the standings so far, but near the bottom of the league and nowhere near relevance. That has led to frustration within the Chicago locker room, especially with their franchise savior Connor Bedard.

Bedard, 19, had three goals and 12 assists in 20 games for Chicago. He's openly expressed frustration with his own game, recently saying there were "100 things" he'd like to change about it, but also with the constant losing he has experienced in his first two seasons in the NHL. To get Bedard's confidence back, Richardson recently shifted him to the wing and cast him in a more defensive role.

The way Richardson handled the benching of veteran Taylor Hall raised some eyebrows, admitting that he should have communicated that it was a possibility with the former NHL MVP before making him a healthy scratch.

Through 20 games, the Blackhawks were 30th in offense, but their team defense was in the top half of the league.

Of the internal candidates, only assistant coach Derek King has NHL head-coaching experience, having led the Blackhawks for 70 games in 2021-22 after the firing of Jeremy Colliton.

Again, it's still a considerable rebuild for Chicago, but they did invest in some veteran free agents in the offseason such as Teuvo Teravainen and Tyler Bertuzzi. Would it be worth it for GM Kyle Davidson to make a change now, or would this decision wait until the offseason? Or does he have faith that Richardson's commitment to defense will ease some of the headaches about losing, even if it doesn't juice Bedard's scoring stats?

"To me right now, it's more of a 'when' and not an 'if' on Richardson," a coaching source said.





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the guy from bleacher nation is now officially the bruce levine of hockey. the nhl has nothing better to do, so, they're coming up with an 'all 21st century team' for every club - despite the fact that only 25 years have gone by in this century.

the guy selects connor murphy as the 4th d-man. can't think of nothing else but brown-nosing a current hawk player. marcus kruger as the club's 2nd best C in the past 25 years. ok.


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the hockey bruce levine:

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The first big non-Blackhawks specific date on the calendar is this coming Wednesday, Dec. 4 when the full rosters for the 4 Nations Face-Off are announced. As of right now, it sounds like the only Blackhawks player who’s a lock to be in the showcase is Teuvo Teräväinen for Finland. We’ll see if Connor Bedard makes it for Canada (he should) and Alex Vlasic makes it for the United States (he should, too).


he should and he should, too. sure.

haven't seen one current projected roster with bedard or vlasic. why not joey anderson? he's a defensive wizard.

here's craig button's and michael johnson's consensus canada picks:

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team usa? here's 3 guys from the hockey news on team usa's D:

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Quinn Hughes Charlie McAvoy
Jaccob Slavin Adam Fox
Zach Werenski Brock Faber


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Quinn Hughes Charlie McAvoy
Jaccob Slavin Adam Fox
Zach Werenski John Carlson
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Quinn Hughes Charlie McAvoy
Jaccob Slavin Adam Fox
Zach Werenski Brock Faber
Jake Sanderson


the sanderson extra d-man spot seems to be a personal reach for the selector.


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worst loss of the season. could be a springboard to propel them unto worse performances and results.

shoddy everything. what the fuck was that on columbus' 2nd goal? brodie and crevier did nothing to stop the puck carrier, 1 vs 4. brodie and crevier kept backing off and gave the puck carrier the zone and 6 seconds later, it's 2-1 columbus. sorry. last year, bedard tried that and got his jaw fractured. last year, kaiser got embarrassed by fabbri of the wings and got immediately sent down. you can send crevier down and put brodie in the press box in time for the leaf game. kurashev was out to lunch...mishandled everything, passing off. he's making it easy for coach luke to pick on him and be the whipping boy.

i was for kurashev getting signed and he's turned out to be the moody hockey player that some people feared. the media turns to foligno for answers and he's one of the problems. not his attitude nor work ethic, just his declining skill level and lower endurance.


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worst loss of the season. could be a springboard to propel them unto worse performances and results.

shoddy everything. what the fuck was that on columbus' 2nd goal? brodie and crevier did nothing to stop the puck carrier, 1 vs 4. brodie and crevier kept backing off and gave the puck carrier the zone and 6 seconds later, it's 2-1 columbus. sorry. last year, bedard tried that and got his jaw fractured. last year, kaiser got embarrassed by fabbri of the wings and got immediately sent down. you can send crevier down and put brodie in the press box in time for the leaf game. kurashev was out to lunch...mishandled everything, passing off. he's making it easy for coach luke to pick on him and be the whipping boy.

i was for kurashev getting signed and he's turned out to be the moody hockey player that some people feared. the media turns to foligno for answers and he's one of the problems. not his attitude nor work ethic, just his declining skill level and lower endurance.


I think Richardson will be launched, maybe before the end of the year. I think Davidson expected them to be bad but not this bad.


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Richardson was The Next Hot Head Coach for like ten years, it felt. He wasn't in a position to succeed here but he's still been a dud.

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Richardson was The Next Hot Head Coach for like ten years, it felt. He wasn't in a position to succeed here but he's still been a dud.


They are better this year, no doubt. They aren't getting blown out much and are (mostly) in every game. Hasn't translated into wins, though, even with a more veteran team. Sure, the guys they signed sucked so far this year but is that the fault of the system Robinson is running or is it just that those guys suck? I think it's probably a bit of both.


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Richardson was The Next Hot Head Coach for like ten years, it felt. He wasn't in a position to succeed here but he's still been a dud.


They are better this year, no doubt. They aren't getting blown out much and are (mostly) in every game. Hasn't translated into wins, though, even with a more veteran team. Sure, the guys they signed sucked so far this year but is that the fault of the system Robinson is running or is it just that those guys suck? I think it's probably a bit of both.


I don't think they're better anywhere except in goal maybe. I heard that they are on pace for the lowest scoring output the league has seen in nearly 20 years.

At the end of the day the game is about putting the puck in the net.

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as an ex leaf, mike johnson can show up at any leafs home game and sit in the leaf alumni suite. he went last night and asked, are the leafs this good in the first 10 mins, or, is it the blackhawks, not playing well?

there were a few examples in the 1st period of the leafs holding the zone because the blackhawks appear to buy into having a 'dangler' cherry-pick in the neutral zone. more than once, it was bedard and another time, it was reichel. able to hold the zone because the hawks tried finesse passes to spring them - easily intercepted at the blue line and the leafs looked dangerous as they immediately attacked the goal, having the numbers.

another game. they played hard. paid for their mistakes, unable to make the opponent pay for their mistakes.


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shakes wrote:
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Richardson was The Next Hot Head Coach for like ten years, it felt. He wasn't in a position to succeed here but he's still been a dud.


They are better this year, no doubt. They aren't getting blown out much and are (mostly) in every game. Hasn't translated into wins, though, even with a more veteran team. Sure, the guys they signed sucked so far this year but is that the fault of the system Robinson is running or is it just that those guys suck? I think it's probably a bit of both.


I don't think they're better anywhere except in goal maybe. I heard that they are on pace for the lowest scoring output the league has seen in nearly 20 years.

At the end of the day the game is about putting the puck in the net.


they are getting ZERO from the back end, in terms of offense. believe that vlasic will get better and kaiser is a definite puck-mover. other than that...jones is jones. once out of 100 times, will lead a dangerous rush. other times, lazy backwards pass, here 98, you do it. i agree with the coaches' obvious push to get vlasic to shoot more from the point. his shot has improved and his slapshot has decent velocity/heaviness. the others have piss-poor, weak shots. no real threat on the PP.


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worst loss of the season. could be a springboard to propel them unto worse performances and results.

shoddy everything. what the fuck was that on columbus' 2nd goal? brodie and crevier did nothing to stop the puck carrier, 1 vs 4. brodie and crevier kept backing off and gave the puck carrier the zone and 6 seconds later, it's 2-1 columbus. sorry. last year, bedard tried that and got his jaw fractured. last year, kaiser got embarrassed by fabbri of the wings and got immediately sent down. you can send crevier down and put brodie in the press box in time for the leaf game. kurashev was out to lunch...mishandled everything, passing off. he's making it easy for coach luke to pick on him and be the whipping boy.

i was for kurashev getting signed and he's turned out to be the moody hockey player that some people feared. the media turns to foligno for answers and he's one of the problems. not his attitude nor work ethic, just his declining skill level and lower endurance.


I think Richardson will be launched, maybe before the end of the year. I think Davidson expected them to be bad but not this bad.


i'm not exactly sure what parameters kyle set. he did say last year was unacceptable, from all angles. if it becomes obvious the club is spinning it's wheels, messages to players being ignored...etc...i agree with you.


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worst loss of the season. could be a springboard to propel them unto worse performances and results.

shoddy everything. what the fuck was that on columbus' 2nd goal? brodie and crevier did nothing to stop the puck carrier, 1 vs 4. brodie and crevier kept backing off and gave the puck carrier the zone and 6 seconds later, it's 2-1 columbus. sorry. last year, bedard tried that and got his jaw fractured. last year, kaiser got embarrassed by fabbri of the wings and got immediately sent down. you can send crevier down and put brodie in the press box in time for the leaf game. kurashev was out to lunch...mishandled everything, passing off. he's making it easy for coach luke to pick on him and be the whipping boy.

i was for kurashev getting signed and he's turned out to be the moody hockey player that some people feared. the media turns to foligno for answers and he's one of the problems. not his attitude nor work ethic, just his declining skill level and lower endurance.


I think Richardson will be launched, maybe before the end of the year. I think Davidson expected them to be bad but not this bad.


i'm not exactly sure what parameters kyle set. he did say last year was unacceptable, from all angles. if it becomes obvious the club is spinning it's wheels, messages to players being ignored...etc...i agree with you.


I agree that last year was unacceptable in that they won too many games. no excuse to finish 2nd to last and lose out on the best chance for Celebrini.

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Richardson was The Next Hot Head Coach for like ten years, it felt. He wasn't in a position to succeed here but he's still been a dud.


They are better this year, no doubt. They aren't getting blown out much and are (mostly) in every game. Hasn't translated into wins, though, even with a more veteran team. Sure, the guys they signed sucked so far this year but is that the fault of the system Robinson is running or is it just that those guys suck? I think it's probably a bit of both.


I don't think they're better anywhere except in goal maybe. I heard that they are on pace for the lowest scoring output the league has seen in nearly 20 years.

At the end of the day the game is about putting the puck in the net.


I agree, can't win if you can't score. I didn't realize they were THAT bad in scoring.

When I said better, I meant not getting their brains beat in every night. They are in just about every game so in that respect, they are "better".


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Somehow my antenna up a county north of milwaukee is picking up this 24.4 station which is CHSN. I just found it the other day and while the Bulls are blacked out the Hawks are not. I could get most of the games on HULU but getting all the pre- and post as well is fucking awesome.....aside from the Hawks looking like an AHL team most nights.
There are bits and pieces that work but they can not string together anything with all 5 guys on the ice. I am concerned that they have little to nothing to show for all their draft picks at this point other than a pedestrian Bedard.

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Terrible effort against the Bruins (who played OT at home the night before) last night. Pissed I spent money to see TJ Brodie play as many minutes as Connor Bedard and passing that is worse than my kid's ACHA team. Luke Richardson and his crew need to go.


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yeah, great point. thought the same (boston played OT, traveled...should i play the chicago hockey club??). in the old days, that scenario was a winner 85% of the time.

watched much of the game. not much to add. overall, mrazek has been very good this year, clearly regressing to his career norms. been subtle, but, it's happening. not as sharp and tidy as the first 2 months.

clearly, coach luke has a soft spot for d-men, martinez included. the classy martinez is now a classic, as in, formerly.

tough night. the opponents have been targeting martinez for hits on every forecheck. he's taken a beating. doesn't seem to be responding well at age 37.

got some 'confirmation' on just how slow the blackhawks are - defense very slow, handful of slow forwards. likely, the slowest club in the nhl. not surprised, we all see the product. conflicts with davidson's stated vision of what type of hockey club he's building and all the blackhawks media and employees who tell us the blackhawks will be skating at mach 1 speed by 2026.

yeah, murphy, martinez and brodie.

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yeah, great point. thought the same (boston played OT, traveled...should i play the chicago hockey club??). in the old days, that scenario was a winner 85% of the time.

watched much of the game. not much to add. overall, mrazek has been very good this year, clearly regressing to his career norms. been subtle, but, it's happening. not as sharp and tidy as the first 2 months.

clearly, coach luke has a soft spot for d-men, martinez included. the classy martinez is now a classic, as in, formerly.

tough night. the opponents have been targeting martinez for hits on every forecheck. he's taken a beating. doesn't seem to be responding well at age 37.

got some 'confirmation' on just how slow the blackhawks are - defense very slow, handful of slow forwards. likely, the slowest club in the nhl. not surprised, we all see the product. conflicts with davidson's stated vision of what type of hockey club he's building and all the blackhawks media and employees who tell us the blackhawks will be skating at mach 1 speed by 2026.

yeah, murphy, martinez and brodie.

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haha. yeah, it's equally as bad - if not worse, at FWD.

https://forums.hfboards.com/threads/fastest-and-slowest-nhl-forwards-and-defensemen.2981847/

geekie is on the list and he embarrassed the blackhawks last night. speed isn't everything, i guess.


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Richardson gone...


https://www.nhl.com/blackhawks/news/release-blackhawks-announce-coaching-changes

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yep, just saw it and not surprised at all.


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 Post subject: Re: 2024-2025 Season
PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2024 5:13 pm 
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Good to see the GM is at least half awake....


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 Post subject: Re: 2024-2025 Season
PostPosted: Thu Dec 05, 2024 5:20 pm 
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Makes sense that they would do it today with a couple of days off before Saturday's game and no travel.

This has got to mean that phone lines are now open for anybody who would like to acquire a veteran, with the probable exception of the captain and maybe Mrazek.

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