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Anyone else see or hear the stuff saying that Poles is really frustrated and could possibly even resign as GM?

If Ryan Poles wants to be GM again in his career the right move is to resign. Sticking around to be Kevin Warren’s fall guy isn’t worth one more year on the job. Pulling the chute on this Bears thing makes you look smart and prescient.


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Pretty sure Silvy is the one reporting it. He was the “Bears players want Bagent to start” guy, so make of it what you will.


Yeah, good point. Silvy is no more informed than I am, and I am not reporting this.


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Pole's legacy is eberlose and a high draft pick top 19 secondary. He/they need's to go and so does LGBT time guy.

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If true,why would a Ben Johnson-ish in-demand type want to come here?


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If true,why would a Ben Johnson-ish in-demand type want to come here?

They don’t. That has also been reported too since the Uberloss firing, that candidates are very turned off by Kevin Warren, George McCaskey and the entire Bears power structure.


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Silvy broke the story some Bears wanted Caleb Williams benched for his own protection. It was later corroborated by the big Athletic locker room leak article.


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Silvy broke the story some Bears wanted Caleb Williams benched for his own protection. It was later corroborated by the big Athletic locker room leak article.

Feel free to quote the section of the Athletic locker room article which corroborates Silvy.

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Silvy broke the story some Bears wanted Caleb Williams benched for his own protection. It was later corroborated by the big Athletic locker room leak article.

Feel free to quote the section of the Athletic locker room article which corroborates Silvy.

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That's a little different from benching him because he sucks.

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The 2022 and 2023 draft classes are looking worse by the day.

You have Gordon, Brisker, and Braxton Jones from the 2022 class, Gordon looks to be a solid nickle back, Brisker cannot stay healthy, and Braxton Jones is swing tackle next year. You found one starter with you 11 picks, the reaches for Velus Jones and Dominique Robinson looked silly at the time and are now embarrassing.

The 2023 draft class was flawed from the top where you were too scared to draft Jalen Carter, so went what seemed to be a safe pick in Wright who will eventually be a solid NFL guard, took a project in Dexter who could be a solid starting DT, passed on o line to take yet another DB, reached for Pickens who looks to be a bust, took Roschon Johnson who at 6' 225Lbs is your short yardage back and cannot stay healthy, and then the took what looked to be at least a solid kick returner in Tyler Scott who inexplicably cannot get on the field.

Will not even get into the odd free agency approach where he waits until all the solid guys are signed and then loads up on inexpensive marginal players.

There really is no reason to bring Poles back and it makes total sense that they are forcing him to report to Warren because there has to be an adult in the room to ask him what the hell he is thinking in the draft room.


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The problem with that thinking is that the adult in the room holding Poles accountable appears to be an even bigger idiot.

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The 2022 and 2023 draft classes are looking worse by the day.

You have Gordon, Brisker, and Braxton Jones from the 2022 class, Gordon looks to be a solid nickle back, Brisker cannot stay healthy, and Braxton Jones is swing tackle next year. You found one starter with you 11 picks, the reaches for Velus Jones and Dominique Robinson looked silly at the time and are now embarrassing.

The 2023 draft class was flawed from the top where you were too scared to draft Jalen Carter, so went what seemed to be a safe pick in Wright who will eventually be a solid NFL guard, took a project in Dexter who could be a solid starting DT, passed on o line to take yet another DB, reached for Pickens who looks to be a bust, took Roschon Johnson who at 6' 225Lbs is your short yardage back and cannot stay healthy, and then the took what looked to be at least a solid kick returner in Tyler Scott who inexplicably cannot get on the field.

Will not even get into the odd free agency approach where he waits until all the solid guys are signed and then loads up on inexpensive marginal players.

There really is no reason to bring Poles back and it makes total sense that they are forcing him to report to Warren because there has to be an adult in the room to ask him what the hell he is thinking in the draft room.


In time, people will realize that the 2024 draft class is worse than the previous two.


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The 2022 and 2023 draft classes are looking worse by the day.

You have Gordon, Brisker, and Braxton Jones from the 2022 class, Gordon looks to be a solid nickle back, Brisker cannot stay healthy, and Braxton Jones is swing tackle next year. You found one starter with you 11 picks, the reaches for Velus Jones and Dominique Robinson looked silly at the time and are now embarrassing.

The 2023 draft class was flawed from the top where you were too scared to draft Jalen Carter, so went what seemed to be a safe pick in Wright who will eventually be a solid NFL guard, took a project in Dexter who could be a solid starting DT, passed on o line to take yet another DB, reached for Pickens who looks to be a bust, took Roschon Johnson who at 6' 225Lbs is your short yardage back and cannot stay healthy, and then the took what looked to be at least a solid kick returner in Tyler Scott who inexplicably cannot get on the field.

Will not even get into the odd free agency approach where he waits until all the solid guys are signed and then loads up on inexpensive marginal players.

There really is no reason to bring Poles back and it makes total sense that they are forcing him to report to Warren because there has to be an adult in the room to ask him what the hell he is thinking in the draft room.


You can't honestly believe Kevin Warren has any better ideas about football than Poles can you? Warren was literally in the draft room both years, not to reign in Poles, but to get himself on camera. Kevin Warren, seen on Hard Knocks commenting on the panache levels of different chairs, is a self aggrandizing lawyer. The idea he's a competent personnel evaluator is just wish casting.

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Poles has made 26 draft picks. To Claw’s point, I think maybe 10 of them are guys you could see getting playing time for a decent franchise.

I’m not sure what his strength is, to the extent he has any strengths. Maybe evaluating DBs?

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Poles has made 26 draft picks. To Claw’s point, I think maybe 10 of them are guys you could see getting playing time for a decent franchise.

I’m not sure what his strength is, to the extent he has any strengths. Maybe evaluating DBs?


His only strength is having a personality that George likes. That is it. That's also the only requirement for the job. The next GM will likely possess whatever weird non-football related trait that Kevin Warren decides is very important. The Bears will continue to be a laughingstock so long as the owners are McCaskeys.

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Poles has made 26 draft picks. To Claw’s point, I think maybe 10 of them are guys you could see getting playing time for a decent franchise.

I’m not sure what his strength is, to the extent he has any strengths. Maybe evaluating DBs?

Trading 1.1 for a 1.1 and 1.? plus DJ Moore was kind of a fleecing, but can a GM hang his entire career as a leading executive on one trade?


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Clawmaster wrote:
The 2022 and 2023 draft classes are looking worse by the day.

You have Gordon, Brisker, and Braxton Jones from the 2022 class, Gordon looks to be a solid nickle back, Brisker cannot stay healthy, and Braxton Jones is swing tackle next year. You found one starter with you 11 picks, the reaches for Velus Jones and Dominique Robinson looked silly at the time and are now embarrassing.

The 2023 draft class was flawed from the top where you were too scared to draft Jalen Carter, so went what seemed to be a safe pick in Wright who will eventually be a solid NFL guard, took a project in Dexter who could be a solid starting DT, passed on o line to take yet another DB, reached for Pickens who looks to be a bust, took Roschon Johnson who at 6' 225Lbs is your short yardage back and cannot stay healthy, and then the took what looked to be at least a solid kick returner in Tyler Scott who inexplicably cannot get on the field.

Will not even get into the odd free agency approach where he waits until all the solid guys are signed and then loads up on inexpensive marginal players.

There really is no reason to bring Poles back and it makes total sense that they are forcing him to report to Warren because there has to be an adult in the room to ask him what the hell he is thinking in the draft room.


You can't honestly believe Kevin Warren has any better ideas about football than Poles can you? Warren was literally in the draft room both years, not to reign in Poles, but to get himself on camera. Kevin Warren, seen on Hard Knocks commenting on the panache levels of different chairs, is a self aggrandizing lawyer. The idea he's a competent personnel evaluator is just wish casting.


Not saying he has better ideas, just saying that Poles seems to require someone to refocus him on draft day and in free agency.

Someont to say, "Hey Ryan, do you really want to draft a punter in the 4th round when you could get a backup offensive or defensive lineman with development upside", or "Hey Ryan, do you really want to pass up a second tier FA DT that would give you desperately needed depth", or maybe even, "Hey Ryan, what in the hell are you doing drafting Velus Jones" in the third round".


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Ricky11Slade wrote:
Clawmaster wrote:
The 2022 and 2023 draft classes are looking worse by the day.

You have Gordon, Brisker, and Braxton Jones from the 2022 class, Gordon looks to be a solid nickle back, Brisker cannot stay healthy, and Braxton Jones is swing tackle next year. You found one starter with you 11 picks, the reaches for Velus Jones and Dominique Robinson looked silly at the time and are now embarrassing.

The 2023 draft class was flawed from the top where you were too scared to draft Jalen Carter, so went what seemed to be a safe pick in Wright who will eventually be a solid NFL guard, took a project in Dexter who could be a solid starting DT, passed on o line to take yet another DB, reached for Pickens who looks to be a bust, took Roschon Johnson who at 6' 225Lbs is your short yardage back and cannot stay healthy, and then the took what looked to be at least a solid kick returner in Tyler Scott who inexplicably cannot get on the field.

Will not even get into the odd free agency approach where he waits until all the solid guys are signed and then loads up on inexpensive marginal players.

There really is no reason to bring Poles back and it makes total sense that they are forcing him to report to Warren because there has to be an adult in the room to ask him what the hell he is thinking in the draft room.


You can't honestly believe Kevin Warren has any better ideas about football than Poles can you? Warren was literally in the draft room both years, not to reign in Poles, but to get himself on camera. Kevin Warren, seen on Hard Knocks commenting on the panache levels of different chairs, is a self aggrandizing lawyer. The idea he's a competent personnel evaluator is just wish casting.


Not saying he has better ideas, just saying that Poles seems to require someone to refocus him on draft day and in free agency.

Someont to say, "Hey Ryan, do you really want to draft a punter in the 4th round when you could get a backup offensive or defensive lineman with development upside", or "Hey Ryan, do you really want to pass up a second tier FA DT that would give you desperately needed depth", or maybe even, "Hey Ryan, what in the hell are you doing drafting Velus Jones" in the third round".


That's just an argument for getting a good GM rather than the shitty one the Bears have now. Poles has made so many huge errors I'm not going to list them all, but he fundamentally doesn't understand how to build a team. Football is always about the lines, always will be. Without good lines, you will never win anything.

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Poles has been mediocre but that's an upgrade over the past few GMs. I'd give him a chance to pick a coach rather than having it be some weird package deal by his agent. Though, maybe his agent is going to pick the new coach too.

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He essentially had 2 Rookies as his #1 and #2 on the depth chart. Which only means that he was REALLY sold on Caleb being a "Generational Talent"


I thought you said 23 was too old to be a rookie QB in the NFL? Make up your mind.

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Anyone else see or hear the stuff saying that Poles is really frustrated and could possibly even resign as GM?

If Ryan Poles wants to be GM again in his career the right move is to resign. Sticking around to be Kevin Warren’s fall guy isn’t worth one more year on the job. Pulling the chute on this Bears thing makes you look smart and prescient.


Warren didn't make him neglect the offensive line and defensive lines. Warren didn't hire Eberflus or Waldren. Warren didn't make him prioritize the secondary over the inside guys.

He needs to own his mistakes and stop pouting in the corner. Warren said enough is enough with this shit and took over, like he should. Warren should be looking for a new GM and kick Trace Armstrong's boy out the door.

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Clawmaster wrote:
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The 2022 and 2023 draft classes are looking worse by the day.

You have Gordon, Brisker, and Braxton Jones from the 2022 class, Gordon looks to be a solid nickle back, Brisker cannot stay healthy, and Braxton Jones is swing tackle next year. You found one starter with you 11 picks, the reaches for Velus Jones and Dominique Robinson looked silly at the time and are now embarrassing.

The 2023 draft class was flawed from the top where you were too scared to draft Jalen Carter, so went what seemed to be a safe pick in Wright who will eventually be a solid NFL guard, took a project in Dexter who could be a solid starting DT, passed on o line to take yet another DB, reached for Pickens who looks to be a bust, took Roschon Johnson who at 6' 225Lbs is your short yardage back and cannot stay healthy, and then the took what looked to be at least a solid kick returner in Tyler Scott who inexplicably cannot get on the field.

Will not even get into the odd free agency approach where he waits until all the solid guys are signed and then loads up on inexpensive marginal players.

There really is no reason to bring Poles back and it makes total sense that they are forcing him to report to Warren because there has to be an adult in the room to ask him what the hell he is thinking in the draft room.


You can't honestly believe Kevin Warren has any better ideas about football than Poles can you? Warren was literally in the draft room both years, not to reign in Poles, but to get himself on camera. Kevin Warren, seen on Hard Knocks commenting on the panache levels of different chairs, is a self aggrandizing lawyer. The idea he's a competent personnel evaluator is just wish casting.


Not saying he has better ideas, just saying that Poles seems to require someone to refocus him on draft day and in free agency.

Someont to say, "Hey Ryan, do you really want to draft a punter in the 4th round when you could get a backup offensive or defensive lineman with development upside", or "Hey Ryan, do you really want to pass up a second tier FA DT that would give you desperately needed depth", or maybe even, "Hey Ryan, what in the hell are you doing drafting Velus Jones" in the third round".


+1. Claw always the sane voice around here.

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Anyone else see or hear the stuff saying that Poles is really frustrated and could possibly even resign as GM?

If Ryan Poles wants to be GM again in his career the right move is to resign. Sticking around to be Kevin Warren’s fall guy isn’t worth one more year on the job. Pulling the chute on this Bears thing makes you look smart and prescient.


Warren didn't make him neglect the offensive line and defensive lines. Warren didn't hire Eberflus or Waldren. Warren didn't make him prioritize the secondary over the inside guys.

He needs to own his mistakes and stop pouting in the corner. Warren said enough is enough with this shit and took over, like he should. Warren should be looking for a new GM and kick Trace Armstrong's boy out the door.





Yep. Basically both Warren and Poles are idiots.



When Poles traded the 2nd for Claypool I knew we had a problem on our hands. Add in the Fields trade where Poles wanted to do right by Justin instead of doing right by the Bears, crying when cutting fringe players, refusing to build the O-line properly, trading for players who are about to be cut (Bates).. there’s just too many red flags with the dude. He doesn’t belong anywhere near a front office. He’s not built for it.

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He essentially had 2 Rookies as his #1 and #2 on the depth chart. Which only means that he was REALLY sold on Caleb being a "Generational Talent"


I thought you said 23 was too old to be a rookie QB in the NFL? Make up your mind.


Comprehension not a strong suit I see..

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Anyone else see or hear the stuff saying that Poles is really frustrated and could possibly even resign as GM?

If Ryan Poles wants to be GM again in his career the right move is to resign. Sticking around to be Kevin Warren’s fall guy isn’t worth one more year on the job. Pulling the chute on this Bears thing makes you look smart and prescient.


Warren didn't make him neglect the offensive line and defensive lines. Warren didn't hire Eberflus or Waldren. Warren didn't make him prioritize the secondary over the inside guys.

He needs to own his mistakes and stop pouting in the corner. Warren said enough is enough with this shit and took over, like he should. Warren should be looking for a new GM and kick Trace Armstrong's boy out the door.


The reality of the situation is that both Poles and Warren are terrible at what they do. Warren has moved the stadium deal exactly nowhere and Poles is looking at maybe a one game improvement from 2022 in his 3rd year. This is all on George. He hires people for their politeness above all else. If I owned an NFL team and I hired a guy to get a stadium built and two years later that guy had made absolutely zero progress, I would be livid. George is just totally AWOL.

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Anyone else see or hear the stuff saying that Poles is really frustrated and could possibly even resign as GM?

If Ryan Poles wants to be GM again in his career the right move is to resign. Sticking around to be Kevin Warren’s fall guy isn’t worth one more year on the job. Pulling the chute on this Bears thing makes you look smart and prescient.


Warren didn't make him neglect the offensive line and defensive lines. Warren didn't hire Eberflus or Waldren. Warren didn't make him prioritize the secondary over the inside guys.

He needs to own his mistakes and stop pouting in the corner. Warren said enough is enough with this shit and took over, like he should. Warren should be looking for a new GM and kick Trace Armstrong's boy out the door.





Yep. Basically both Warren and Poles are idiots.



When Poles traded the 2nd for Claypool I knew we had a problem on our hands. Add in the Fields trade where Poles wanted to do right by Justin instead of doing right by the Bears, crying when cutting fringe players, refusing to build the O-line properly, trading for players who are about to be cut (Bates).. there’s just too many red flags with the dude. He doesn’t belong anywhere near a front office. He’s not built for it.


I cannot stop thinking about the crying when cutting that guy. GMs have to do that dozens of times per year, you're not cut out for the job if cutting a non-descript player is that upsetting to you. And that doesn't even begin to speak about how bad his judgment on team building and players is.

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Do you remember the tears at his opener?

Those weren’t reflective, look where I am type tears. He was blubbering. It betrayed a lack of emotional stability and surely conman Warren has picked up on that by now.

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How about when he (allegedly) took a lesser offer for Fields so that he could prioritize Fields’ desires & happiness over his actual fucking job of improving the Bears?

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