WYC? All you ever do is quote Caleb and his garbage time stats as validation that he will be a good player?

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Sounds like a defense problem to me. Was a time we just wanted our offense to score 20 points a game. Now we want our rookie QB with no coaches to look like Josh Allen.

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I'm almost always countering you and USA acting like Williams is about to fall out of the league because of how he is playing.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/5-worst-nfl-rookie-quarterback-seasons

3 HOF players. 1 good but not great QB. One of the all time busts.

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You can look at stats however you want to and use them to convince yourself or others of whatever narrative you want. If you watch the games you can look a little deeper than the 4th quarter stats. He did absolutely nothing in the 1st half. He had virtually now vertical air yards in the first half. I think the longest vertical air completion was a 5 yd swing pass to Kmet. This guy can not handle pressure and I'm not talking about pressure from the defense. The ONLY time he looked comfortable last night was in the 3rd I believe when the Vikings had 2 guys jump offsides and he had a free play. There also isn't much pressure late in the game down 3 scores when the D starts mass subbing players and going into eat clock/prevent mode.

I would also be concerned with him priding himself in asking teammates what its like to experience losing. He is not wired like most people. He has alot of Jaden Smith weirdness in him.

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His Stats are being compiled once the game has already been decided. No one but you is still falling for that routine.

The Bears offense was better during their tanking season than it is currently. That's atrocious.

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I'm not doing all the other stats, but he has 14 touchdowns and 5 interceptions in wins and games lost by 6 or less points.

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He also has been the QB of an offense that has been held to 3 points or less by halftime in 8 games out of 14.

As stated previously, no one is falling for the stat padding routine but you McCarver.

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The first halves have been rough. The second half still counts in games they came back to almost win, and in 2 of those games they had won and the other they should have taken it to OT.

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During this 8 game losing streak the Bears have probably had the lead in less than a 3rd of a quarter in all of the Quarters combined.This is more indicative of his ineptitude as a player than anything which happens when he was down 2 scores or more.

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The Bears have lost 8 straight. There is a lot of blame for that to go around including Williams. It's useless to discuss further if every answer is going to be "The Bears have lost 8 straight".

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This thread is specifically about Caleb Williams though And it's silly to focus so much attention on individual stats when the team has lost 8 straight McCarver.
It's also hypocritical to say that winning and losing isn't about Caleb after making post after post on winning and losing about Justin Fields. Even when the team was obviously tanking

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By the way, does anyone here besides Brick actually believe that Tee Time aka Caddyshack understands the concept of "tanking"? Just Asking A Question

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If you want to judge him solely by QB record go ahead. It just can't be your security blanket whenever you make an argument that has nothing to do with QB record. Just stick with it and leave all the other bad analysis out of it. Just say Caleb Williams will never be good because the Bears have lost 8 straight.

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Brick when you completely discount stats that are being accumulated when the game no longer matters it's tough for anyone to take what you say seriously. It's just the way sports discussions go. In the last 2 weeks alone he has thrown 3 touchdowns when the game is over and yet you still proceed to count his stats as if they mean anything.

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But again, 14 touchdowns came in games they won or lost by 6 points or less. Yet, you keep on repeating this over and over again.

The last two weeks he wasn't that good. You keep on also not wanting to count touchdowns in a game that went to OT.

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Brick he has thrown about 9 or 10 TDs while the Bears were down 2 scores or more. He doesn't have 1 TD pass this season when the score was tied either. He has 5 games where they were shut out at half time. Their avg offense during the first 3 quarters for the season is putrid. He has one of the worst QBrs ratings in the NFL. He also went nearly 5 games without throwing a TD pass

There is nothing besides "blind faith" which suggests he will be any good. That is the point "we" are at with this as Bears fans.

And your 14 Tds in close games is a lie too by the way. You sure that you want to keep repeating that stat? Just Asking A Question

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So what? Those count. I'm giving you that it doesn't count in games that don't end up close.

I'll recheck my work but he has 17 total touchdowns and 3 of them came in the last 2 games they lost by more than 6. The first two games they lost by more than 6 he had 0 touchdowns. What is the lie?

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The Bumslaying games weren't close.

And no one besides a sports neophyte counts stats accumulated in games in which the team was down 2 scores or more. Caleb has at least 9 such TDs.

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Again, 6 points or less in the final score is a close game.

This has to be a joke. The Bears should have won 2 of those games and tied another.

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When Justin Fields was down two TDs in the 4th:

But but... The Bears were tanking and Caleb's team that is not tanking lost 8 straight games. Nevermind that Caleb doesn't have any real coaches to coach him.

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1 game as opposed to 6 games displays "similar patterns" doesn't it? Mounting your comeback 2 scores down in the 3rd as opposed to.a minute and a half during the 4th are definitely "similar patterns" aren't they? Just Asking Questions.

I also have to remember that when it comes to playing "competent sports" Caddyshack's "Sport of Choice" involves Carts and "handicaps". What in the hell could he possibly know about the "Spirit of Competition" with this being the case?

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It's very simple, LTG, you want to discount Caleb's performance during parts of games "in which the team was down 2 scores or more". Those are your words, not mine. Yet, earlier this year, you praised Justin Fields for his performance against the Colts despite his performance coming at a time "in which the team was down 2 scores or more".

Can you explain that obvious hypocrisy?

Hey Caddy at the end of Quarters the score of the game you keep citing was 17-10

In the Vikings game that guys like you believed that Flus jagged the Score was 27-16 with a minute and a half

Hey Caddy at the end of 3 the score of the Bears Detroit game was 23-7

How in the hell are what you keep referencing and what I keep referencing "similar"

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Once again, you stated "And no one besides a sports neophyte counts stats accumulated in games in which the team was down 2 scores or more".

It was 24-10 Colts when the Steelers got the ball in the 4th quarter you drooling boob.

I forgot that you play golf. Justin Fields entered the 4th Quarter with his team losing 17-10. How is that analogous to the Bears being down 2 touchdowns entering the 4th numbnuts?

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Bears player from that season essentially told the world that they were tanking that season. But hey don't believe him, believe anonymous guys on the internet that haven't been correct about anything

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What was the score when Justin Fields first touched the ball in the 4th quarter? What was the score when he started his next drive with 6:00 remaining in the game?

Good lord, you are imeccably dishonest.