They know coaching matters but want to keep trolling Caleb because Fields isn't doing shit in PITT except warming the bench for Wilson.

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Websites this year I've seen have the Bears OLine as mid tier .

And aren't you one of the guys (you're essentially interchangeable at this point given all of the lockstepping of thoughts around here) who claimed that Caleb wouldn't get sacked much because of his "pocket awareness"?

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And Benchwarming Fields has as MANY wins after being benched 2 MONTHS AGO as Caleb Has Currently.

And here's the problem with "coaching" it's "coaching". The Bears fired the 2 coaches that you 2 blamed for Caleb and he still sucks. He actually sucks worse.

And his play this season is "eerily" similar to his play against REAL defenses when he was a college player. Which gurus like you 2 summarily discounted whenever it was referenced in the summer.

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Surely someone on the internet has taken the picture of him laying on the bench and superimposed it with the picture of him lying in his parents arms under the blanket.

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That's my purse! I don't know you!

I don’t care if it’s for one game or an entire season -saying ‘coaching doesn’t matter’ is a dumb statement and a bad football thought. And that’s what you’re saying here. This isn’t a ‘if the Queen had balls she’d be the King’ statement.. unless you acknowledge coaching absolutely does matter because it’s obvious.. but you’re not doing that so don’t pretend you are.


If you can’t acknowledge how a QB going thru essentially 3 OC changes and an HC change during their 1st season in the league can have a negative effect then you don’t know too much about the game and any take you give going forward shouldn’t be given much regard.


I don’t read too many of your posts so I’m not sure where you sit when it comes to talking football but if this post of yours above sums up most of your responses.. well then I think I know all I need to here which basically is -you need to pick another sport.


And what’s funny to me about this is even considering all the Bears have been thru this year -and Caleb has been thru in his rookie campaign- he hasn’t played as terrible as most others probably would have. I mean Justin’s 1st year was no where near as chaotic, and he had guys like Robinson, Mooney, Monty and Kmet to help him out his rookie season and he didn’t look even close to this good.

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If the rule you followed lead you to this, of what use was the rule?

The league-leading amount of sacks and bottom-third rushing yards per game say otherwise. But please, entertain us with "the o-line isn't that bad, Caleb is responsible for all the sacks!" in G-minor, if you would.

Caleb can just throw the ball away, instead of holding it forever with a thousand island stare in his eyes as the defense collapses on him.

There You Go Working From a Faulty Premise Again Hartgrove . Hartgrove is the kind of dude that frequently hears "Whispers" isn't he?

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"thROw tHE bALl aWAy!!111" There it is! And how is he staring like dressing?

NME said it best,

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I have posts with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, and I believe Fields, saying that rookie production really doesn't matter all that much. But even then, it really isn't about what we expect. I expected him to not struggle as much as he has but also it doesn't really matter. This is a learning year.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

If this is Williams playing poorly then I can't wait to see what happens as he improves!

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Not QB his team to an 8 game (And Counting) losing streak perhaps? Just Asking A Question

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If you really believed this then you would never have made such a big deal about JFIELDS and Caleb's Rookie numbers.

In fact all you do is talk stats. WYC?

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Yes. I expect a better record in year 2.

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We've gone back and forth a lot but I am almost certain that you kept on mentioning Williams rookie stats and eventually it had to be pointed out to you how abysmal Fields was as a rookie.

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I will keep it simple Brick. Which example of Caleb "playing well" have you cited which doesn't involve the use of a statistic?

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I don't know how you can talk about how well anyone is playing a sport without at least vaguely referencing the statistics of how they are playing.

Well, I guess I could just not count anything good he does and make a non-sensical point that doesn't rely on statistics but you have a monopoly on that.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

It was rather odd that LTG absolutely insisted on comparing Caleb's rookie season to Season 2 and Season 3 of Justin Fields, and when it was pointed out that he was avoiding mentioning Justin's rookie season because of how awful he was LTG tried to pretend he was making the comparisons because of their similar age. Now that Caleb has out-performed Justin in any of his seasons as a Bear I wonder what comparison he'll dream up.

Nah Tee Time. The primary reason that it shouldn't be mentioned is because Justin Fields was 22 years old while Caleb is 23 doofus. Just as it would be stupid to compare Williams Rookie Season to that of Someone like Mahomes. Who was also 22 and benched as a Rookie.

You've never actually played or studied a real sport. Thus you do not understand concept of "age" as it relates to "stage" in terms of "Development".

Caleb Williams comp with respect to Fields is Fields 2nd year and not his first given both of their ages. However because you are a neophyte when it comes to sports it's tough for you to "grasp" this particular concept.

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I've addressed this. You're at step 2 before you've acknowledged step 1. You sir, are a step jumper.

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Caleb Williams started 10 games in the NFL as a 22 year old. Justin Fields started 10 games in the NFL as a 22 year old. Can we compare their performance as 22-year old rookie starters?

Caleb Williams is a 23 year old rookie stupid. At what point was Justin Fields EVER a 23 year old Rookie?

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Caleb Williams started 10 NFL games this season as a 22-year old. Do you not know that or are you desperately trying to avoid comparing even a sample of Caleb's rookie season with Justin's because you know how much better one is compared to the other?

Ok.now that we have established that they were not at the same stage when they were the same age, then what's your point dumbass?

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And anyone who "believes" this doesn't matter doesn't know Jack shit about sports.

To use the analogy of Caddyshack and Brick McCarver one would have to concede that Caleb Williams was better than Patrick Mahomes as a Rookie. Ponder that one for a second

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For whatever it's worth, Pro Football Reference determines "age x season" by their age on 12/31, so I guess it's technically Williams's "age 23 season," but I'm not sure how much that matters. It's not like Fields played his rookie season before undergoing puberty.

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In every sport it's determined that way. And again anyone that does not believe that it "matters" doesn't know Jackshit about "sports development".

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They both began their rookie seasons as 22 year olds. Look at the game logs.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... elog/2021/

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... elog/2024/

Justin Fields as a 22 year old rookie starter: 10 Games, 58.9 CMP%, 1800 YDS (180 Y/G) 7 TD 9 INT, 75.3 Rating, 386 YDS Rushing

Caleb Williams as a 22 year old rookie starter: 10 Games, 61% CMP%, 2016 YDS (201 Y/G) 9 TD 5 INT, 82.3 Rating, 306 YDS Rushing