I believe it's February 1st for the NHL.

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CH already explained it to ya Caddy. If you cannot comprehend what he meant then reread what he sajd.

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Yeah? That's odd. But it does matter in terms of assessing players and their development.

For instance Caleb's nearest comp in terms of age and where he SHOULD be at this stage is actually C.J. Stroud given their respective ages. Stroud is only a month older than Caleb though he is light years ahead in terms of his development and accomplishments. And it's easy to see why he'll be the better player going forward as a result of this.

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Oh ok I get it, you're desperately trying to avoid having to admit that Caleb Williams' rookie season has been better in every measurable way than Justin's rookie season.

That much was obvious, but you could have at least maintained some dignity and not tried to pretend that Caleb and Justin didn't both start their rookie campaigns as 22 year olds.

But because I like to make fun your foolishness, I gotta ask: How old was Caleb Williams when he took his first regular season NFL snap?

As You are the "Archduke Of Asinine Arguments" around here, I'm perfectly content to allow you to make an ass of yourself trying to argue a point that is inarguable Caddy.

Justin Fields was a 22 Year Old Rookie.
Caleb Williams is a 23 year old rookie

During Justin Fields 2nd year he was 23 years old. Thus this is the Comp year.

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Was Caleb Williams 23 years old for his first 10 games in the NFL?

Was Justin Fields ever a 23 Year Old Rookie Like Caleb Williams?

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Why don't you want to admit that Caleb Williams was 22 years old for the majority of his rookie season? You're trying so hard to avoid it you're just going to respond to this with another question.

No one but you actually believes Caleb Williams is a 22 Year Old Rookie Hartgrove. Which is sort of deranged when you think about it

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Well he's not 22 now, but he was a 22 year old rookie for the majority of this season.

Look, I get it, You want to compare Caleb Williams this year to 2022 Justin Fields because that was Justin's best statistical year, and you've convinced yourself that Fields is better than Williams and this comparison "proves it" in your mind, so let's dispense with all your bluster about the purity of comparing the two players based on not their calendar age, but how old they are at a certain arbitrary point in the year. After all, comparing 2022 Fields to 2024 Williams is comparing a guy with an entire season of experience in the NFL against a rookie, so you don't really have much room to talk about getting the comps right.

The reality is, Justin Fields was 22 years, 205 days old when he got his first start in the NFL. Caleb Williams was 22 years, 295 days old. Now it's true that Justin didn't start right away, but even accounting for that difference, Caleb Williams is a mere 3.5 months older as a rookie than was Fields, so it is totally appropriate to compare the QBs on their rookie seasons. Again, you're clinging to this notion that Caleb is a "23 year old rookie" so you can compare the more statistically favorable 2nd season of Justin Fields to Caleb's rookie season performance, a rather dishonest ploy so you don't have to admit that Caleb Williams is better as a rookie than Justin Fields was (which he is, clearly), and is already a more accomplished passer as a rookie than Justin Fields ever was in Chicago.

The really funny part, is that you're so desperate to compare Caleb Williams to 2022 Justin Fields despite the fact that Fields closed out that season with an 8-game losing streak and passing statistics that Caleb has already surpassed. So what you've really convinced yourself of is that Justin Fields is better than Caleb Williams because in his second season in the NFL Justin ran for over 1000 yards, a statistic that is buoyed by outlier yardage totals from games against Detroit and Miami, all of which were losses.

Stating facts is an act of "desperation" to Hartgrove. Using your "logic" Drake Maye and Caleb Williams are also the same age during their rookie seasons too.

And So Are Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels. As states previously, you sound deranged

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They seem to do it on Sept 1.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2024/draft.htm

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It's more apt to compare rookie seasons by QBs who were 3.5 months apart in age in their respective seasons than it is to compare a QB's rookie season to another QB's second season.

But even then, Caleb Williams has surpassed Justin Fields' passing output from 2021, 2022 and 2023.

Not this stupid shit again... 22, 23, 24 who cares! It's his first season in the NFL.

Can't believe I have to explain this but a rookie is: a person with little experience who is just starting to work in a job or to play on a sports team.

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They seem to measure it differently for draft and the regular season. Hm. Interesting.

Point is, this isn't really going anywhere. It'd be one thing if we were comparing against an 18-year-old or 19-year-old rookie season like you get in the NHL and occasionally the NBA, but everyone's at least three years out from high school here.

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This is one of the most doesn’t-fucking-matter pedantic arguments I’ve seen.

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And yet you keep coming back for more.

What these dumb ass Caleb fan's dont understand is Caleb is having a better season then field's 2023 year not just his/there rookie year. Dumb ass people

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If a guy is good or sucks or is ok or is fine…doesn’t matter how many months older/younger he is than his peers.

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OK. If you truly believe this then let's stop with the 4th Year Justin Fields vs Rookie Caleb Garbage. I only started to hear this when Caleb started sucking as bad as he does. Before that all I heard was that he'd be better from the moment he laced em up as a Rookie at mini camp

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I don’t know what you mean with “let’s stop…”

I’ve said repeatedly that Williams is better than Fields right now. He was better when he walked into camp and he’ll end the year with numbers Fields is incapable of putting up.

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I think your mistake is not just counting Fields last 6 games as a Bear. He wasn't better than Williams in those games either but his team went 4-2.

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Only he isn't better right now however. The Bears offense was better the year they were tanking than it is now. Which says all you need to know about Caleb and his garbage time "numbers"

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In Fields last 8 games as a Bear the team avg 25 ppg.
In Calebs last 8 games as a Bear the team avg 14 ppg. Which clearly illustrates that he was better then too.
Team also went 5-3 whereas Generational is 0-8.. it's clearly evident who the better player was is and will be going forward

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This is wrong. They averaged 21. He also had 8 touchdowns both rushing and passing.
This is correct. However, Williams also had 8 touchdowns.
4-4, but mostly a bumslaying 4 wins.

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As previously stated. You dudes only started whining about his being a Rookie when he started sucking ass the way that he did. And If his being a Rookie was going to be so "problematic" for him and the team, then why in the hell were you and YOUR compatriots so ENTHUSIASTIC about handing him the damn job? Just Asking A Question

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On September 1st, there was guarded optimism for Caleb. There still is. I have guarded pessimism because of the organization. I have guarded pessimism over accuracy and an unwillingness to get rid of the football. He has to risk the interception because you can't learn where the line is until you cross it now and then. He needed to do it this year but he's refused. Why? is what I want to know.

Because he prefers to chase Stats as opposed to try and place his team in a position to win. He doesn't want the int stat on his stat line. It's the same thing NBA guys do when they refuse to Chuck the 60 foot heave at the end of qtrs because they don't want it to impact their shooting %

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The Bears were not 4-4 and did not put up 25ppg in his last 8 games.

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Yes they did. He was hurt in the first half of one of those games and didn't finish. That doesn't count. His last 8 full games as a Bear they avg 25 ppg. And went 5-3

Caleb's last 8 games they are 0-8 and avg 14 ppg and you're fallaciously claiming that he is still the better QB? Based on what? Your hatred of Justin Fields? Going to need a little more than that to go off of here

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