If you think about it, the Bears really went 0-17 this year if you don't count the games they won.

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Bears offense was better with JFIELDS during the previous season when the Bears were obviously tanking Hartgrove.

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Caleb Williams now has more 300+ yards passing games as a rookie than Justin Fields had 280+ yard passing games in his entire tenure in Chicago.

Bears have lost 9 straight since this thread was created.

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I've never seen a person more overly impressed by an unimpactful stat than Hartgrove either.

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And seeing as "stats" are oh so important around here, is there anyone that can cite a QB who has more than 60% of his touchdown passes occur when his team is down 2 scores or more? Just Asking A Question

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Probably Stafford.

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This year not even close.
Stafford has 16 TD passes. 5 are when his team is down 2 scores or more

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Get this dumb ass to Pittsburg. He/they is basicaly saying all of Calebs touchdown's dont count and shold actualy be credited to field's. Calebs rookie season is already beter then field's third yeaar.

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568 yards from the Bears single season passing yardage record. Could get it.

I love it when you analyze. Dipshit.

Here ya Go McCarver. Have at it.
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You'll love this then: if he throws for 729 yards the last 2 games he'll break 4k.

I'd like nothing better for him to finish strong. Good for the morale of EVERYBODY. We get closer to saying, "the Bears picked the right QB."

His/their season Already surpased Field's best season in Chicago. What more validation do you need dumb ass.

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Now we are back to not counting some things while counting other things and then a few posts later we start counting some of those things and then not counting other things we were previously counting.

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There must be some predictions before the beginning of the season of the stats that, should Caleb meet them, we would be thrilled. I think that would give us better objectivity

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He/they pased the (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky/field's baseline but isnt on the level of other rookie's. B- season.

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Why all of the "deliberating" and "deflecting"?

It's not a tough sale for me.

I'll just simply start here.

In 2022 Justin Fields produced 25 TDs in 15 games
This Year Caleb Has Produced 19 TDS in 15 games Advantage Justin Fields.

If you think you have a Rebuttal then provide it. Otherwise you're smoked. There is nothing which you can provide about the performance of Caleb which tops that. Thus I fully expect you to start hemming and hawing once again to avoid what's directly in front of you.

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Picked the right QB in the draft. I give zero fucks about the failed QB now in Pittsburgh.

Trade the pick should have been the move. And I say this as someone who likes Jayden Daniels.

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I've pointed out the issues with QB rushing stats previously. While they matter, they also can lie. The 2022 Bears team had 18 total touchdowns in 17 games. The Bears have 12 in 15 games. Total was 37 touchdowns in 17 games in 2022 though Fields didn't play in all of those. Total is 31 in 15 games in 2024. The Bears were overall just a better running team in 2022.

But still, Fields was an elite running back in 2022 but it wasn't sustainable and eventually a QB has to throw and he can't.

So yeah, if we count running and passing equally, then maybe Fields was slightly better in 2022 than Williams has been this year.

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There are no "issues" with rushing stats. And now you want to play the "well they don't count" because they don't support my narrative. So what? He produced 25 TDs to The Garbage King's 19 in the same amount of games.

Next stat TD%
Justin Fields 5.3
Caleb 3.8%
The Garbage King has ONLY passed for more TDs because he has passed the Ball about 200 more times than Justin has. Thus I'm not going to ever be the guy to confuse "Activity With Accomplishment". You however are more than welcome to do so McCarver.

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Your doing this wrong. There is no debate. Less INT's, more TD's, better passer rating and better completion percentage. Stop giving life to LGBTQ Time Guys argument

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You told me no issues with rushing stats and then at the end provided one of the primary issues with rushing stats for QBs. The fact that Fields couldn't be trusted to throw isn't a good thing for him. Also, since you brought it up, the Bears in 2022 ran the ball about 7 more times a game but most importantly threw the ball 11 times less a game.

Fields was an elite running back that year but that wasn't sustainable.

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So now we're back to "parsing the numbers" in order to fit a flimsy narrative.

Just face facts. Your numbers game doesn't work when you really began to look more closely at them.

Bears offense avg more points with far fewer weapons with Justin Fields as QB than they do currently. Which is a huge indictment on Caleb Williams whether you are willing to admit it or not.

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I am happy to count everything. You never are willing to count everything.

But, when the main argument for your quarterback is that in one year he had 8 rushing touchdowns and the other one had 0 rushing touchdowns it isn't a compelling argument especially on two bad teams.

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The point is they've won 4 games with the great Caleb Williams. Turns out the team is a disaster and the GM didn't know it. The GM thought that by picking a QB, a receiver, and signing another receiver, that they were a 9 win team.

Why we got into the wilderness is a CFMB thing. All you dopes have let LTG drive you around crashing into shit and then you sign up to do it some more. It ain't on him. It's on all you dopes.

Suggesting that Caleb is a "better passer" when he needs 200 more passers and much better receivers in order to throw 2 more TDs doesn't exactly help yours.

See the problem for you is that you just can't admit the fact that Justin Fields was the more productive player while Cakeb is the "Garbage Time King". But that's a you problem more than anything McCarver.

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