Arguing about whether Caleb is playing poorly is a waste of time(he most certainly
is). He's here for 4 years. He could figure it out or he could not figure it out. You don't know and neither does Purdue Rick. You're both guessing. You're guessing because he's struggling in a rookie year. Purdue Rick is guessing because he was told he's good by virtue of him being the #1 pick. Neither argument holds water. We'll know when he's good or bad when it's time to know whether he's good or bad.

I’m really not guessing. He was not good in college his senior year and his draft stock should have tumbled. That should be excruciatingly evident with how thoroughly he’s been outplayed by other players in his draft class.

The problems are obvious. A player who cannot handle a pass rush combined with woeful accuracy means his interception numbers will explode in year two. In no other statistical category is a regression to the mean more certain for Caleb Williams.

So I combine that fact with the harsh reality that the only redeeming quality of his rookie year is that he avoided becoming a turnover machine and the judgment is simple. He’s a bust, it is very likely he’ll always be bad and if by some chance he does do what Sam Darnold has done it will come for another team. None of this is even arguable at this point.

A really well worded guess. If you knew, 32 teams would come banging on your door with blank checks.

the difference in QB play between Caleb and Daniels has been massive this year. That's shown when you look at their entire body of work statistically instead of cherry picking 3 stats that don't mean anything without additional context. I said Caleb was better than Daniels, still think he can be long term, but it's just simply disingenuous to pretend their rookie years are comparable in any way quality wise.

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Before the season you could say it’s a guess but after sixteen games the verdict is very obvious. There is enough body of work to know how this is going to end up. It’s case closed.

That Williams and Daniels are so close statistically really underscores the difference between football and baseball. Daniels is integral to an 11-win playoff team. Williams puts up numbers that amount to nothing.

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They really aren't close statistically.

QBR:

Daniels: 72.4 (4th in the NFL)
Caleb: 45.4 (30th)

Completion %:

Daniels: 69.4 (7th)
Caleb: 61.9 (37th)

YPA:

Daniels: 7.5 (13th)
Caleb: 6.4 (30th)

EPA/Play:

Daniels: .224 (5th)
Caleb: -.032 (31st)

In order to make them look somewhat close statisitically you have to ignore all the stats and metrics out there and just use the 2-3 that make them look close. It's just being dishonest.

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If you combine the TD Totals of Colts QBs Anthony Richardson and Joe Flacco, and those of Panthers QBs Bryce Young and Andy Dalton, you'd quickly discover that both combinations are exactly the same as Caleb Williams.

Further illustrating just how empty his stats actually happen to be.

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"Points production is all that matters for QB production!"

"Wow, then Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels are actually pretty close..."

"No they're not! QBR! EYP/A! STOP CHERRY PICKING STATS!"

I've legitimately never heard this sentence before in my life before just now

There's simply no statistical case to make that Daniels and Caleb were close this year. They weren't. Daniels was significantly better. There are legitimate reasons to explain the large gap, but denying there is a large gap is just being dishonest.

Also, QBR, YPA, Completion % have been statistical staples for a long time now. If you want to think EPA/play is bullshit because it tells you an uncomfortable truth, that's fine, but dismissing the others is just bragging about being ignorant.

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That is fine. Any way you look at it Daniel has been better. That is not really my point. My point in this is for people like USA and LTG to proclaim that he is a bust and will never amount to much is just beyond stupid. He may end up a bust. But no one knows enough right now to make that proclamation. His arrow is still pointing up IMO.

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What's beyond stupid is constantly discrediting or dismissing all of the numbers which strongly suggest that he is going to be a bust. His accuracy numbers beyond 10 yards alone strongly suggests that he will be a bust. His inability to generate offense when the game is actually still a competition strongly suggests bust too. There are numerous stats which suggests this that you and quite a few others routinely dismiss because you are firmly in Caleb's camp.

The Bears have a lot invested in him and thus will likely give him at least 2 more years before they pull the plug. But the problems that he has as a QB extend well beyond merely fixing the Oline or finding a better coach.

He cannot read defenses and he is inaccurate as hell. Those 2 aspects of his game strongly suggests that he will be a bust.

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Guess it depends on what you mean by firmly in Caleb's camp. I want him to be good because he is the QB of the team that I cheer for. Just like I wanted Fields and Mitch to be good. But I am not making any proclamations about him. I do not know if he will be good or not. There are definitely things to be concerned about. But there are also things to be impressed by. Time will tell just as it did with the others.

You and USA(especially him) are the ones making these broad proclamations about him already. And it makes it even crazier when you are making these while at the same time continuing to pump up a guy that cannot see the field now for his 2nd team and the rest of the league understands he is not a good starting QB in the NFL.

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So is there any news on the next Bears head coach?

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I'm beating the drums for a guy that outperformed Caleb Williams this season backup or not. And if he is ONLY A BACKUP, then so is Caleb.

There is a reason that Caleb was booed by Chicago Bear fans during the first game of the season. And there is also a reason that he was booed by MANY of those same fans during the last game of the season.

There is also a reason that guys who were firmly in his camp (like Chase Daniel) and believed him to be "special" are now providing reassessments and proclaiming that he "could still be a good QB" at some point.

It doesn't take much to see that he has sucked this season. Or that his stats are much closer to (Anthony Richardson/Joe Flacco) and (Bryce Young/Andy Dalton) than they are Jayden Daniels.

And the Bears scored more points during each and every season that Fields was QB. And what is also "stupid" is the notion that support for Fields is somehow an outlier that people such as myself happen to possess. The majority of the Bears fans polled last season wanted Fields to be the QB too. And after the disastrous season that we have just witnessed, it's clear as to why.

They were easily in position to have a 10 win season just last season with Fields as their QB.

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Whomever they select, we'll just be doing this same dance in 3 years if anyone is still around by then

Mike McCarthy is picking up steam I believe

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Can't argue that. Nothing will fundamentally change until ownership changes.

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Stop lumping me in on Justin Fields. From the moment he was drafted I was just as negative about him as I am now on Justin Fields. I have learned my lesson on the losers these Bears draft.

They are definitely part of the problem but Poles was close to turning the corner and blew it. 4 months ago they were considered a team on the upswing and now they are considered a dumpster fire.

Though I'm not as down on Poles as some I still believe you have to fire him. Start fresh with a new coach/gm combo and give them 3 years to put their stamp on the franchise. I don't want another "hotshot assistant" as my first or 2nd choice either. The Bears have did this at least 3 times over the past 30 years and it has yet to work out. Get an established Head Coach and take your chances.

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They will never hire an established head coach unless it is guy looking for a final retirement contract like John Fox. The Bears do not want a strong personality in that position.

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Tossing another name into the ring :

The Chicago Bears are doing "serious homework" on Miami Dolphins defensive coordinator Anthony Weaver to potentially take over as their next head coach, according to Dianna Russini of The Athletic.

No, which I think is conspicuous. The Jets are interviewing people.

I really think there is a chance it’s both Poles and Warren gone Monday. The Bears are keeping everything copacetic until it’s firing time. I refuse to really believe they are so out of touch on how disillusioned the fan base is. I know they have always been aloof, but this is the worst it has been in my lifetime they have to be noticing it.

that sounds like Eberflus part 2.

No thanks.

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Forgot to add :

In addition to Weaver, Russini reported the Bears are keeping an eye on former Titans coach Mike Vrabel, Lions offensive coordinator Ben Johnson, Lions defensive coordinator Aaron Glenn, Vikings defensive coordinator Brian Flores, and Commanders offensive coordinator Kliff Kingsbury for their head coaching vacancy. She did note that Weaver is garnering the most interest of the group, though.

That stuff was from a Dolphins writer

Hopefully just the guys agent trying to stir up interest in him by leaking a bullshit report.

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You obviously haven't been reading LTGs drivel on Caleb Williams.

And stop acting like you know anything about honesty or advanced metrics. You dismissed 3 stats as cherry picked only to rely on 4, one of which rated Zach Wilson's 2021 102 yard, 1 TD performance against Jacksonville as better than that week's performance than Joe Burrow, who threw for 500+ yards and 4 tds.

You use a deeply flawed QBR and dismiss other stats because they fit the narrative you want to spin, while you accuse everyone else of cherry picking. And LOL at the logic of "hey pal, QBR has been used for awhile so deal with it" while you say passer rating, TDs and Yards are bogus and haven't been around much, much longer.

Everyone knows your routine Hartgrove. You dismiss any and everything that doesn't jive with whatever bullshit narrative you happen to be pushing at that particular moment.
Jayden Daniels and Caleb Williams aren't even in the same conversation currently. Neither statistically nor eye test wise and only the most egregious of Kool Aid drinking, meatball Bear fans would dare say this

And to sit here and prioritize yardage stats over points displays a fundamental lack of understanding with regards to sports. Which is likely why Golf has been your "sport of choice" over the years.

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This is literally how you guys sound every single week saying Caleb Williams shit doesn’t stink. Seriously the lack of self awareness you must have to even write this is off the charts.

Compare him to Peyton Manning again for me. Just once, for old times sake.

Wtf..? I mean it would be very cheap-ass Bears to do this but why the fuck would this guy get so much interest? The Dolphins are a shit team imo, sure the defense is good.. but didn’t we just get done launching a cheap defensive minded candidate that no one else wanted before the Bears hired him?


This legit irritates the hell out of me. Fire every single one of these fucking idiots right fucking now.

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