In a couple more K.Cousin like seasons from Love, then 2023 could be Love's "outlier" year. Love had an elite year last year but has not duplicated it this year or any other year before 2023.

How can you say he is elite after one good year?

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Well, if you combine the last two years of each, Mayfield is far ahead of Love. Are we supposed to give Love credit for sitting the bench for 2 years while Mayfield bounced around after being launched by the Browns?

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Better year, without question. laughy face

Love’s been great this year. The only argument against him is volume and that’s been explained already.

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indeed.

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I watched Mahomes and Love this year so you didn't have to.

Big difference between "elite" and "great". Which is he?

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He's played poorly the latter part of the year. My guess is it's the accumulation of dings.

I just want FF to call him "elite" again

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Do you? Maybe do a little math on Baker's seasonal TD% and refresh yourself on what an outlier actually is.

People still treat a Mahomesian outcome for Caleb Williams as inevitable.

If it were Jordan Love playing for Chicago he’d already have a statue out front of the building. It is so funny to watch Bears fans try and argue this. Not quite literal LOL worthy but close.

Guess we all have our blind spots.

Kinda like thinking the White Sox are a couple tweaks away from competitive.

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They throw laughy faces around here like they're M&Ms. It's out of control.

There’s a lot of excuses for not being able to account for future unknowns, there’s not many excuses for being unable to interpret reality that has already occurred. Ask Molly Lambert for more explanation on the subject.

I don't really see a difference between the two words. It's semantics. I think he's around the 5-6th best QB in the league right now to be specific. I can understand someone having him as low as 9-10th. Having him outside the top 10 isn't really justified though.

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It's funny you edited this post and it still doesn't make any sense. Baker's never had a TD rate higher than 5.6% in his career before. In 4 of his previous 6 seasons it was below 5%. He had a 7.2% rate this year. That's called an outlier.

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I edited the post to take out what I thought was unnecessary hostility, but with your continued condescension while you clearly demonstrate that you have no idea what an outlier actually is, I think maybe I should have left it in. For a guy who likes to boast about how much he likes advanced metrics, you should educate yourself on what some of the terms mean in statistical analysis. It might help you look like less of an intellectual fraud.

The guy that calls people retards is editing his posts for politeness. How thoughtful. And don't worry about unnecessary hostility, I think you're a piece of shit so fire away if you want.

I don't particularly like advanced metrics. All stats and metrics are essentially like using DNA and fingerprints to solve a crime that was committed on camera. But in debates like on here where we can't agree and guys say idk I think Derek Carr might be better than Jordan Love, they are useful in at least establishing what tangibly occurred on the field that we can track through data.

And a 7.2% TD rate is an outlier in Baker's case.

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It isn't. You don't know what an outlier is.

FavreFan with the "What about Derek Carr?"

Meanwhile, Derek Carr's QB rating the last 2 years.
97.7
101.0

Jordan Love's QB rating the last 2 years.
96.1
96.7

How dare someone say that those two quarterbacks may be equally good!

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Now do the rest of their stats including QBR and EPA/play. QB Rating ignores sacks, which are a QB stat, and ignores down and distance situation. QBR takes both into account. EPA/Play takes sacks into account but not situation, but there are adjusted EPA numbers like the one I posted earlier that accounts for that as well as other things outside the QB's control like drops, YAC, etc.

This is why I say if you are going to use stats use as many as you can. If you look at Carr and Love's entire statistical profile there's no case to be made that Carr is equal to, let alone better, than Jordan Love. Or you can just watch them play and see that Derek Carr is a solidly average to below average QB while Love is clearly above average and at a minimum a good QB. This is why Jordan Love won a playoff game his first year as a starter. In 11 seasons can you tell me how many playoff games Derek Carr has won?

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Again, you are acting like EPA/play is the only thing that matters. It's an interesting stat for sure but you can't just use it as a definitive ranking.

For the record, I think Love is probably better than Carr but Carr was playing just as well as him before injury.

As for the playoff game win, both Love and Carr went 9-8 last year but Carr missed the playoffs.

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I literally said post all of their stats. I don't think it's the only thing that matters. I couldn't have been more clear.

How many playoff games has Derek Carr won in 11 seasons as a starting QB?

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But, EPA/play is the only thing that Love comes in as clearly better than all the guys you are saying he is better than.

But I have no real reason to argue about Derek Carr. Love is probably better than him. It's just not that big of a gap.

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That's not true either. You can use QBR from the past two seasons combined as well. And all of this is without even having to acknowledge the difference in caliber of players they are throwing to. Jayden Reed is a nice young player. I think every QB in the league would prefer to throw to Justin Jefferson, Amon-Ra St Brown, and Mike Evans though.

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The Packers roster may lack talent but at least it's young.

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Hard to go 11-6 while lacking talent even with an elite QB like Love. (there you go Homer). The nice thing about being the youngest team in the league is it suggests improvement moving forward, like how Green Bay was better across the board in all three phases this year compared to last year. Throwing to guys who are already on established HOF trajectories would likely improve the QB's stats though.

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It's just funny the one time you act like the Packers don't have a talented roster is to act like Jordan Love is playing with a bunch of nobodies.

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I never said or implied the Packers don't have a talented roster. They do. Their WRs also led the NFL in drops this year and Love would likely have better stats throwing to guys like Justin Jefferson and ARSB. Not sure why you are implying those are mutually exclusive things.

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Hypothetical Jordan Love!

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