The only time Caleb isn't terrible is when the defense of the opposing team stops competing. Which is the problem. It was the same problem that he had in college. Against NFL caliber players he mostly played like dogshit. And the numbers back that up. He's a bumslayer. Very few athletes in sports (if any) have ever gotten props for that. Nor should they

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The #1 pick gets a lot of rope and creates some inherent bias. That's really all there is to it. The best you're ever going to get is "he's played poorly.....AT TIMES." Normally, I would 100% agree rookie years don't mean a whole lot but the thing that keeps nipping at me like an ankle biting mutt, is 3 other rookies that have played better. Two rookies are inexplicably in the playoffs after Vegas had them at 6.5 and 5.5 wins.

Bears were 13th in pts allowed with 4 playoff teams behind them so the defense was good enough. One of them was a rookie's team.

Enough evidence for concern? I think so. Bring in Ben Johnson. Please. It HAS to be him.

Since when is dropping more defenders into coverage specifically to stop the passing game evidence that a team has "stopped competing"?

Hey why are Brick and resident stooge like Hartgrove (AKA JLN) always so eager to yell about Detroit and Minnesota

Yet never say anything about
1. Tennessee
2. Houston
3. Washington
4. Arizona
5. N.E.
6.GB (1st game)
7.Sea
0 TDs in any of these games
Don't these games "count" too when factoring in Caleb and his "empty stats"? Just Asking A Question

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The Bears were 27th in yards allowed. They gave up those yards on the 6th least amount of plays, and as a result were 2nd-worst in the league in yards/play.

Yards allowed = drives
Yards per play = sustained drives
Sustained drives = burned game clock

Teams ran on the Bears more than 50% of the time in the 4th quarter when the league average is under 50%. In the 2nd half teams ran 49% of the time while the league average was 43%. They were burning clock because they knew they could get first downs nearly at will.

It's like everyone here needs an explainer on the pitfallls of "bend, don't break". Limiting touchdowns is important, but it means a whole hell of a lot less if you are helpless to stop the opposing offense between the 20's.

What determines winning and losing in a football game is not allowing fewer points than your opponent. Its allowing fewer yards than your opponent. Who knew?

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I have no problem if you don't count any of the touchdowns thrown in those games as real.

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The primary objective for any defense is not to prevent the opposing team from scoring points. The primary objective is to prevent the opposing team from obtaining yards. Who knew?

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In an extreme example, how many points can an opposing offense score if they gain zero yards? Is it more or less than the number of points an opposing team can score if they can move the ball at will but never score a TD?

Welcome to understanding football outside of "Justin Fields is gone and now I can't get it up."

Lookey Here! Lookey Here! CFMB'S resident ball washer is back to theorizing for YOUR APPROVAL! I know one person (Peep Show)who just loves it when your clown ass "theorizes"?
.Even an "ardent supporter" of yours such as he will have a hard time "rear ending" you on this one Hartgrove.

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When there is a page of discussion and debate about "the chosen one" vs Malik Willis, I think it speaks very loudly about where King Caleb stands in the league.

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There were discussions on here this year if Willis was better than Jordan Love too.

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Yep. When you step away from this cultist retreat, the perspective on him is quite different. Bears management has to continue to play the game regarding him as a "Generational Talent" publicly at least, but I doubt very seriously if any of them are buying that shit privately anymore. I'm sure they will bring in a capable backup next season as insurance.

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Pack didn’t start scoring until Willis came in the Bears game.

Some people say he outplayed both Williams and Love this year.

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you could certainly make the argument that Willis' starts were the most critical contribution to the entire Packer season

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Surest sign that Green Bay didn't give a shit about this particular game (Besides Love having a chance to return but choosing not too) was the fact that Jacobs, whose arguably the key to their squad, ONLY had 6 carries for 44 yards.

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It's kind of funny that you get so upset with my idea that rookie stats don't really matter for quarterbacks but here you are making yet another point about how things that happened during Caleb's rookie year didn't count.

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My point had absolutely nothing to do with Caleb being rookie.

And if you were so hellbent on Writing off this season because Caleb was a Rookie, then why wasn't any of this professed in the Summer when you were expecting him to be better "fairly quickly"? Just Asking A Question

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Caleb was better than your crush as a rookie fairly quickly. For one it didn't take him until his 3rd season to have a 300+ yard passing game.

Hey stupid. I know you've never actually studied sports or played it, but that's not how it works dumbass. The Bears weren't looking for him to be "better than 1st year Justin" jackass. And neither were CFMB'S Football Gurus.

They repeatedly claimed that he was better than 3rd year Justin. Well the numbers validate that he was not. The Bears offense regressed despite having more weapons this year.
Fewer points, fewer yards from scrimmage, which led to fewer wins.

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1. "Study" sports?! Fucking comic book loving dork, shut up.

2. Caleb Williams was a much more productive passer than your crush in 2023, are you high? Rookie Caleb bested your crush in completion%, yards, Passing TDs, Passer Rating AND the vaunted QBR. And that's not even accounting for the fact that you curiously want to compare Caleb's rookie season, late during which he turned 23, to a season your crush started midway through his 24th year.

Nah I'm going to keep it a "Buck" which ya Hartgrove. When has a non athletic clown like you ever "laced up" anything besides a pair of golf shoes?

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I'm not doing the "Where'd you play your ball?" sports resume thing with you, Radio.

Caleb Williams was a much more effective passer in his rookie season than your crush was when he was 24 and a third year vet. Live with it.

The point is that you are crossing out pretty much anything good that Caleb did as a rookie through various convoluted methods yet you can't wrap your head around me thinking that rookie year QB stats don't really matter that much.

Me: Ignore all of it.
You: Ignore anything good he did.

We're almost at the same place. After you take a deep breath you'll probably realize that not all the bad stuff that Caleb did was excuse free either and then we can both shake hands and agree that it all resets for season 2 which matters much more.

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Because you can't stupid. What you "know" about Sports was taught to you courtesy of Dan Bernstein with your clown ass.

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Remind me again how M.Willis rookie season went for him? So your saying with coaching and a couple seasons under his belt he became a better QB? Imagine that...

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No, I won't because it is stupid and meaningless. To wit: you don't even claim to have played football at any meaningfully competitive level. You just claim to have played basketball to some degree and that gives you carte blanche to spew idiocy about numerous sports.

But let's face reality: Caleb Williams was a much more accomplished passer as a rookie than your crush in his 3rd year in the league, and that hurts your ego.

Make the case of all of the good things that he has done this season and I will make the case of all of the bad that he has done and see where we end up. Deal?

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Just because you play Madden doesn't mean that you know what the hell you are talking about clown. And no amount of "Right Winged incestuousness" here will change that

Your knowledge of sports is so rudimentary that you don't even know how to evaluate stats . You're just that stupid.

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