Oh man now there is an "equivalency" if ever I saw one Hartgrove!

That's your measuring stick, not mine. No need to get upset when it's used against you.

Justin Fields is growing up right before our eyes. I was excited about the Bears when they traded for Cutler (didn't work out as planned, and wanted to be about (Pro Bowl QB) (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky but this kid looks like he will be good-great once they get a few weapons around him.

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Justin Fields finished 10th in MVP voting shortly after this comment was made Hartgrove. He also produced 25 Tds in 15 games. While you celebrated Caleb' merely producing 20. The essence of Derangement

40% of Justin's TDs in 2022 came in what you define as "garbage time". Does that not matter to you when assessing how good Justin Fields was?

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40% is the new 60%. Who knew? Those Goalposts sure are a moving aren't they Hartgrove?

Except “Williams good” has never really happened and he’s not even in the top six of ROY voting.

". And you think a guy with 15 "meaningful" TDs is a worthwhile MVP candidate

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No MVP voters did. Which is why I cited it Hartgrove.

No MVP voters did. Which is why I cited it Hartgrove.

But he was on a bad team which lost a lot of games, and he lost a lot of games he started. Why would you quote something which ostensibly recognizes QB production from a losing QB on a bad team, unless it is possible to recognize production from the position despite won-loss record?

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Duh? Because I fully understand the concept of tanking and how it works while you don't. Perhaps Peepshow, Brick or Moist will care to elaborate for ya Hartgrove?

Except "tanking" just describes how a team gets to be bad. Recognizing production from a QB on a team trying to be bad is no different than recognizing production from a QB on a team which just happens to be bad, right?

If there is a difference, what is it?

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Hey Tee Time. I get that the concept of "tanking" is rather "foreign" to you, but that cannot be my problem. You clearly have no clue as to how it works when a team tanks. Nor do you have a clue as to how "moral victories" fits in either. And to be honest, I have no interest in explaining to ya either. If you need it explained to you how tanking works, then you shouldn't be discussing sports Tee Time. Your ignorance cannot be my battle.

But he was on a bad team which lost a lot of games, and he lost a lot of games he started. Why would you quote something which ostensibly recognizes QB production from a losing QB on a bad team, unless it is possible to recognize production from the position despite won-loss record?

Caleb Williams isn't really a "true" rookie because he turned 23 late into his 1st season in the NFL!"

Except Justin was not actually 10th but tied with 5 other guys with 0.2% of the vote. He had one vote for MVP

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Just as an experiment, let's travel back to November, 2022. Justin Fields finished his rookie campaign 2-8, and after a lackluster start to the 2022 campaign, was 5-13 through his first 18 games as a professional.

Coming to town were the Miami Dolphins, a 5-3 team at the time who would finish just above .500 and squeak their way into the playoffs.

Justin, now in his 19th start as a professional, had a very decent game, combining for a touch over 300 yards from scrimmage and 4 total TDs against a defense that would finish the season 6th-worst in the NFL against the pass.

An anonymous poster had this to say during the game, an ultimately losing effort that put Justin's career record as a starter in the NFL to 5-14:



Flash forward a week, when the Bears lose to the 2-6 Lions, a game that saw Fields again accrue roughly 300 yards from scrimmage against a bad team but failed to crack the 100 Rating mark, and was finished by a 4th quarter drive that saw the Bears QB, more than a full season's worth of starts into his career, go 1/3 for 7 yards with 2 sacks. That same anonymous poster, who is literally anyone's guess at this point, had this to say:



Another week goes by, and on this particular Sunday in November '22, the Bears lose to the Falcons in Atlanta, a game where Fields has a paltry 153-yard 1 TD 1 INT game against a 4-6 team which sacked him 4 times on the day:



This anonymous poster even responded to someone else about the particularities of Justin's performance that day:



One more week into the future, and Fields loses his 5th straight start to the Packers, throwing for 254 with no passing TDs and 2 INTs, his record as a starting QB in the NFL now down to 5-17:



So what fuels them, because it certainly isn't logical consistency and an understanding of football.

Imagine the howling from you doofuses if anyone dared to sing Caleb's praises for his performance in a 45-point win in which he contributed 2 TDs, with 20% of his passing yardage and 50% of his scoring output coming from a screen play.

Imagine the howling from you doofuses if anyone dared to sing Caleb's praises for his performance in a 45-point win in which he contributed 2 TDs, with 20% of his passing yardage and 50% of his scoring output coming from a screen play.

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Keep in mind that Cahokia's Favorite "Flaming" Eagle Mascot was celebratory about the Garbage Time Stats that were accrued by Caleb when the game was essentially over against this very same team.
Now the blithering idiot is shitting on the performance of the dude that actually does win games and improved the performance of his team from last year to this year. Unbelievable!

Where did I "shit on the performance" of Jayden Daniels, Downs Syndrome Cowboy Curtis?

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It's known that you have mental health issues thus it makes no sense to provide evidence to support the assertion. Hint: It's highlighted.

You're telling on yourself, none of what you highlighted disparaged his performance last night. It definitely disparaged the likes of you.

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Only someone with severe mental health issues would deny that the highlighted statement is not an example of your shitting on that kid's performance.

Oh my goodness, you really are completely devoid of even a shred of self-awareness or appreciation for irony.

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