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 Post subject: Re: 2024-2025 Season
PostPosted: Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:27 am 
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saw that the canucks got smoked by the jets last night -another loss for vancouver, only 1 goal scored. nothing from miller/pettersson. canucks in a dogfight for the last wild card spot in the west, hopefully will compel them to pull the trigger and make a trade.

sharks go into detroit and beat the hot red wings, 6-3.

celebrini 2 assists/will smith 1 assist.

if nazar gets 1 point every 5 games, BN guy tells us that nazar is 'making plays'. too early to shake your head, but nazar needs to start producing more. don't worry about the hair and the bobby-sox girl cheering section, make some plays and the points will come.

canadiens win again in utah, hutson with 3 assists. korchinski has his role model.


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 Post subject: Re: 2024-2025 Season
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I was listening to the radio feed while texting someone about non-hockey matters. Turned it off at 3-1... WTH happened to this defense? Maybe LR knew something about how to keep games close by playing boring non-offense hockey.


I'd be interested to know what the GAA under Sorenson with and without Jones in the lineup.

I thought of that too. It all went to shit when Jones came back, but that would have also been enough time for other team's advance scouting to pick apart the differences between LR and AS's systems and be able to exploit it.


No doubt about other teams being able to scout the new system. Just a coincidence than when Jones came back, the team started playing worse.


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 Post subject: Re: 2024-2025 Season
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Jones has also been awful since returning. He puts absolutely no effort into anything in the defensive zone. He plays the body like a 5'10 165 lb Swedish forward. I like that the media is starting to turn on him and call him out for being completely useless. I hope Folilgno's comments about players not wanting to be there and not willing to block shots was aimed at his dead ass. They need to make a decision on him sooner than later. If he is deemed a completely sunk cost then start healthy scratching him. If you think there is any value at all in trading him then figure out what you would have to do to make him look more attractive and get him on his fucking way.......along with the prospects , picks and cash it will take to get anyone to take him.

You can not build a roster and develop talent with your highest paid player just standing around and fucking off every shift.

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 Post subject: Re: 2024-2025 Season
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Hawks move Phillips (who seemed to be the odd man out) to Winnipeg for a Belarusian to hang out with Lev.

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 Post subject: Re: 2024-2025 Season
PostPosted: Thu Jan 16, 2025 1:02 am 
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don't like the trade at all. i believe the goal is to get rid of D deadweight; jones/murphy/brodie/martinez. rinzel and levshunov won't be ready for awhile, the assumption is that KK and del mastro 'should'/'could' be ready for the nhl roster next year. if we let guys like phillips go, yes, the blackhawks can't get into the ugly reality of buying out/waiving/trading and retaining $$ of the deadweight defense.

everyone loves frenchie crevier, well, because he's quebecois. i don't think he's been as good as forced-fed to us by the media and phillips has a heavier shot than crevier. crevier has a more accurate shot. also, saw del mastro last year. scrutinized his play - he's a terrible skater. he's big and can hit like phillips, is a better fighter than phillips, can't skate - not sure how much improvement he's made, i guess we'll find out soon enough. hopefully, the progress of kaiser, crevier and allen is linear and vlasic levels off to 4-5 good games, 1 blah game ratio.

i would have resigned phillips - willing to have given him $1.5 million (nhl)/$1.1 million (rockford) per on a 2-way contract. i believe phillips is a #5/#6 d-man in the nhl right now and a greater benefit of having him around will be in 2 years.

if we got a 5'10 d-man that was taken in the 2nd round and winnipeg traded him and was hot for a blackhawks 5th round pick phillips, because we want to reunite peaches & herb, then bedard should be screaming bloody murder because the blackhawks let raddysh go. raddysh and bedard were butt-brothers last year.


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 Post subject: Re: 2024-2025 Season
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don't like the trade at all. i believe the goal is to get rid of D deadweight; jones/murphy/brodie/martinez. rinzel and levshunov won't be ready for awhile, the assumption is that KK and del mastro 'should'/'could' be ready for the nhl roster next year. if we let guys like phillips go, yes, the blackhawks can't get into the ugly reality of buying out/waiving/trading and retaining $$ of the deadweight defense.

everyone loves frenchie crevier, well, because he's quebecois. i don't think he's been as good as forced-fed to us by the media and phillips has a heavier shot than crevier. crevier has a more accurate shot. also, saw del mastro last year. scrutinized his play - he's a terrible skater. he's big and can hit like phillips, is a better fighter than phillips, can't skate - not sure how much improvement he's made, i guess we'll find out soon enough. hopefully, the progress of kaiser, crevier and allen is linear and vlasic levels off to 4-5 good games, 1 blah game ratio.

i would have resigned phillips - willing to have given him $1.5 million (nhl)/$1.1 million (rockford) per on a 2-way contract. i believe phillips is a #5/#6 d-man in the nhl right now and a greater benefit of having him around will be in 2 years.

if we got a 5'10 d-man that was taken in the 2nd round and winnipeg traded him and was hot for a blackhawks 5th round pick phillips, because we want to reunite peaches & herb, then bedard should be screaming bloody murder because the blackhawks let raddysh go. raddysh and bedard were butt-brothers last year.



fi Hawks get #1 pick they'll be adding a sure fire #1 stud dman to the mix in Shaeffer. I know we need forwards, but Shaeffer is BPA by a noticeable margin based on the little I saw of him at WJC.

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 Post subject: Re: 2024-2025 Season
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NWsider4-3-3 wrote:
don't like the trade at all. i believe the goal is to get rid of D deadweight; jones/murphy/brodie/martinez. rinzel and levshunov won't be ready for awhile, the assumption is that KK and del mastro 'should'/'could' be ready for the nhl roster next year. if we let guys like phillips go, yes, the blackhawks can't get into the ugly reality of buying out/waiving/trading and retaining $$ of the deadweight defense.

everyone loves frenchie crevier, well, because he's quebecois. i don't think he's been as good as forced-fed to us by the media and phillips has a heavier shot than crevier. crevier has a more accurate shot. also, saw del mastro last year. scrutinized his play - he's a terrible skater. he's big and can hit like phillips, is a better fighter than phillips, can't skate - not sure how much improvement he's made, i guess we'll find out soon enough. hopefully, the progress of kaiser, crevier and allen is linear and vlasic levels off to 4-5 good games, 1 blah game ratio.

i would have resigned phillips - willing to have given him $1.5 million (nhl)/$1.1 million (rockford) per on a 2-way contract. i believe phillips is a #5/#6 d-man in the nhl right now and a greater benefit of having him around will be in 2 years.

if we got a 5'10 d-man that was taken in the 2nd round and winnipeg traded him and was hot for a blackhawks 5th round pick phillips, because we want to reunite peaches & herb, then bedard should be screaming bloody murder because the blackhawks let raddysh go. raddysh and bedard were butt-brothers last year.



fi Hawks get #1 pick they'll be adding a sure fire #1 stud dman to the mix in Shaeffer. I know we need forwards, but Shaeffer is BPA by a noticeable margin based on the little I saw of him at WJC.


Not to mention, you can trade the excess D for forwards.


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 Post subject: Re: 2024-2025 Season
PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 3:22 pm 
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i've always liked pettersson, was hoping he'd come over last year, but, resigned with vancouver for $11.6 million per. now, the news is that pettersson and j t miller are feuding and the canucks are suffering as a result.

this writer from the hockey news, throws out 3 trade proposals for the blackhawks to acquire pettersson.

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To Blackhawks: Elias Pettersson

To Canucks: Frank Nazar, Marek Vanacker, 2025 First-Round Pick (TOR)


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To Blackhawks: Elias Pettersson

To Canucks: Sacha Boisvert, Oliver Moore, 2025 First Round Pick (TOR)


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To Blackhawks: Elias Pettersson

To Canucks: Jason Dickinson, Taylor Hall, Artyom Levshunov, 2025 Sixth Round Pick


https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/chicago-blackhawks/latest-news/3-realistic-trade-packages-that-could-land-blackhawks-elias-pettersson


I'd do #3 for sure as you're only giving up one future piece. The other two, you're giving up two pieces and a first. I'd have to think about the other two...


mark lazerus, former sun-times blackhawks beat guy and current athletic guy, came up with this brainstorm, a week after the previous hypotheticals:

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He throws out a package of Nazar, Kevin Korchinski and Toronto’s 2025 first-round pick for Elias Pettersson.


i feel as though that's a bit too much and it will shift all of GM kyle's job security axis on how well pettersson plays and produces with bedard.

i've been hard on nazar and korchinski, i do believe in them - nazar had a very good game last night - great skating, alert...just couldn't finish. if he gets 3 high-chance scoring opportunities a game, he'll end up with 100+ points. if he disappears the next 2 weeks, then we won't care and the canucks won't want him either. he's got to play like this more often.

korchinski? he'll be back and i'll be anxious to watch him. the canadiens give hutson PP minutes, blackhawks prefer seth jones there. even over vlasic, 4th highest velocity shot from the point this year? hopefully, paired with a stay-at-home type, and i don't mean murphy.


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 Post subject: Re: 2024-2025 Season
PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 3:36 pm 
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shakes wrote:
NWsider4-3-3 wrote:
don't like the trade at all. i believe the goal is to get rid of D deadweight; jones/murphy/brodie/martinez. rinzel and levshunov won't be ready for awhile, the assumption is that KK and del mastro 'should'/'could' be ready for the nhl roster next year. if we let guys like phillips go, yes, the blackhawks can't get into the ugly reality of buying out/waiving/trading and retaining $$ of the deadweight defense.

everyone loves frenchie crevier, well, because he's quebecois. i don't think he's been as good as forced-fed to us by the media and phillips has a heavier shot than crevier. crevier has a more accurate shot. also, saw del mastro last year. scrutinized his play - he's a terrible skater. he's big and can hit like phillips, is a better fighter than phillips, can't skate - not sure how much improvement he's made, i guess we'll find out soon enough. hopefully, the progress of kaiser, crevier and allen is linear and vlasic levels off to 4-5 good games, 1 blah game ratio.

i would have resigned phillips - willing to have given him $1.5 million (nhl)/$1.1 million (rockford) per on a 2-way contract. i believe phillips is a #5/#6 d-man in the nhl right now and a greater benefit of having him around will be in 2 years.

if we got a 5'10 d-man that was taken in the 2nd round and winnipeg traded him and was hot for a blackhawks 5th round pick phillips, because we want to reunite peaches & herb, then bedard should be screaming bloody murder because the blackhawks let raddysh go. raddysh and bedard were butt-brothers last year.



fi Hawks get #1 pick they'll be adding a sure fire #1 stud dman to the mix in Shaeffer. I know we need forwards, but Shaeffer is BPA by a noticeable margin based on the little I saw of him at WJC.


so, didn't blackhawks scouting have an idea about the prospects of the 2025 draft? i believe the nhl itself, provides lots of info on those eligible. maybe GM kyle was confident he could work a trade with columbus and get the second top 5 pick, last year? just didn't happen. what if a LW was the best player available in the draft for 4 consecutive years when you're in a tank-a-thon patch of time?

the prospect analyst on zawaki's show told me what you're saying. schaeffer, by far, best player available. then a tier consisting of martone, misa and hagens.

my post was about transitioning between older, expensive d-men and homegrown, younger d-men. i mean, phillips isn't an all-star, but his size and skating make him a very serviceable 5/6 d-man at a very friendly cost. del mastro has the same written all over him, 5/6 d-man. this leaves KK, vlasic, allen, kaiser and crevier. if rinzel and levshunov were around the corner, i'd understand. we got jones/murphy/brodie/martinez who won't be anywhere near this club when they make the playoffs.


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 Post subject: Re: 2024-2025 Season
PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2025 4:29 pm 
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had time and watched zawaski/tirabassi podcast and then read boysen and not sure what they were watching. i thought the theme of the game was neutral zone play. generated a few breakaways and clean, quick entries.

forecheck?? bedards goal came due to a nashville turnover because bertuzzi sealed the wall. this what other clubs do to us, all the time in our d-zone, because we have plenty turnover machines.

i like this because this is exactly how minnesota plays and i believe the blackhawks roster and skill-sets, favor this type of play.


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NWsider4-3-3 wrote:
so, didn't blackhawks scouting have an idea about the prospects of the 2025 draft? i believe the nhl itself, provides lots of info on those eligible. maybe GM kyle was confident he could work a trade with columbus and get the second top 5 pick, last year? just didn't happen. what if a LW was the best player available in the draft for 4 consecutive years when you're in a tank-a-thon patch of time?

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I think as recently as a few months ago Hagans was locked at #1 with Matones/Misa next and Shaeffer wasn't considered a contender for that spot. But then he blew up this season.

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