Maybe the WRs will be better with a good quarterback!

I know the media and idiot fan lovefest with teflon boy Orton is beyond control but why don't we ever hear that said?

We know if Rex was the starter and putting up the same performance we'd be hearing it was him not the receivers because his receivers were bad in 06 and especially when he started in 07 and we heard it was all him.

Shut up.

The WRs and Oline were better in '06, as was the Defense.

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Besides from Hester, who could be a useful #2, the WRs are awful. Simply terrible. If you watch the games you should know this. It could also be that Orton is mediocre at best, but there is no chance that Rashied Davis is some diamond in the rough.

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Exactly. Say what you will about Orton, but please: let's not go praising this receiving corps.

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No doubt the WRs are horrible.

But it is useless to have Hester play WR if the QB cannot throw a good deep ball. Hester should have at least 3 long TD catches this year, but Orton has under thrown him on every one.

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Everyone is in agreement about how questionable our receiving corp has been all year (was that an Earl Bennett sighting last night?!), but a good amount of the errors Orton has made the past few weeks is just terrible reads on his part. If the WR's aren't open you can't be forcing the ball or just somehow missing a free safety sitting in the middle of the field.

Let neckbeard know he's our #1 going into next year, sign a WR or two, maybe try to draft a QB in the 3-5th round range, but no way should we offer Kyle any kind of an extension. If he hasn't dramatically improved by this point in 09, well time to start over again at QB

Please take a look at what Bernard Berrian is doing with bad QB's in Minnesota.

Please take a look at what Moose is doing in Carolina.

Are you telling me that Brandon Lloyd would be doing that anywhere? He's our #2 WR! Even Hester isn't a very good WR but is better than he was. If the ball hits your hands, your #1 WR is supposed to come down with that. I saw 3 or 4 catches that hit Hester right in the hands and were dropped. He just flat out isn't a #1 WR. He's a #2 WR at best.

Rex Grossman sucked, deserved to be benched. Just keep in mind that your favorite player Rex Grossman was outplayed in preseason by Orton. Rex also got some time this season and didn't exactly light the world on fire.

Kyle Orton may not be the future answer at QB, but Rex Grossman definitely isn't.

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I agree completely.

It's funny that people want Kyle Orton's head on a platter. They must have watched a different game than I did because I saw a lot of problems. Orton was one of them but not the only one.

It was nice of Forte and the offensive line to actually show up on a series. It's 7 degrees out. It's in general easier to run than pass and our run game was completely none existent for almost the whole game. If you look at our scoring drives, they were primarily Kyle Orton throwing short passes.

Our defense was lucky they didn't give up a lot more points in that game. Aaron Rodgers was nearly untouched by our defensive line for most of the game and our secondary tried hard but got beat because of it.

The coaching staff looked foolish on that 4th down fake that the Packers got. Who would have guessed that on a 4th and short within the 40 yard line the Packers may fake it?

The tight ends and Devin Hester were the only pass catching options to show up in the game. Dropped passes were a problem.

Kyle Orton played very bad. His two interceptions were terrible. He flat out can't do that. Don't forget though that this is the same guy who earlier went a record amount of time between interceptions. That doesn't make it any better though.
I think he does a poor job of judging how fast Devin Hester is. He should throw it as far as he can and let Hester grab it. I don't think it's an arm strength issue because he's almost always just a few yards behind Hester. If he can't figure out how to hit Hester in stride next year he won't be in Chicago for long.

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Rex Grossman IS NOT AN NFL QUARTERBACK - He'll probably land somewhere next year and then he'll be...BAD. And then he'll be out of professional football. Orton has most definietely sucked it up ever since he was injured (and trust me, I'm not giving him a free pass), but he has a better presence out there. He doesn't throw off of his back foot like Grossman and he actually tries to avoid the rush - something that Rex-is-our-quarterback didn't do on a consistent basis (probabably because he couldn't see it coming). Grossman played in the Bears system long enough to get his timing down, and never connected with his receivers from one series to the next. I know that Angelo and Lovie aren't going to be so fast to start over again with a new guy at the position, because the fact of the matter is that our coaches cannot develop someone in that role. I don't know what the perfect answer is, but it sure as hell is NOT Rex-is-our-quarterback!

Grossman is not the answer.

And I am beginning to think Orton is not the answer either. He is Jim Miller with a neckbeard.

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He threw a pick off his back foot about 12 hours ago on National Telivision

Only a moron thinks Orton has proven to be the better Qb. Neither has.

Only a moron thinks Grossman is lucky to have a job next year.

And only a complete moron thinks there's no chance Grossman goes on and outperforms Orton.

Orton gets all the credit when we win and none of the blame when we lose.

Im not even saying he's all that bad but he is the the teflon man.

How do we know these guys aren't decent WRs if they had a good QB? we always here that Orton would be the greatest QB in football history if he had good wideouts.

Maybe they cut down the playbook in 05 because they knew he wasn't very good.

Also the hatred of Grossman is done by some very stupid and classless fans and they need a comeuppance.

And do you really trust these coaches etc to make the right decision.


If there's any justice Rex goes to Minnesota or Detroit and outperforms Orton and turns and gives the meatballs who threw things, made obscene gestures and called in death threats the double middle finger.

And the real fans (those that did those things are not real fans) should give those fans not Rex the finger too.

Do you really exist or am I imagining you?

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This is a great point. I saw Hester two full strides ahead of double coverage at least once yesterday and I think maybe twice last Thursday game, and the ball was short to him every time (a couple PI's IIRC). Maybe Grossman hits him for 6. Does Hester catch that ball if it's there in stride? Hell if I know, I ain't really seen him catch one like that yet.

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They were talking about this same thing today on the postgame show I think it was. Making reference to the fact that the Bears haven't had a pass play over 30 yards this year and they are the only team in the NFL that hasn't...saying that Rex at least gave you the big play potential with his arm. And if Kyle continues to throw awful Grossmanesque picks and not give you any deep threat, what good is it to play Kyle over Rexy


However, I still think Orton has a better arm than we've really seen this season. His ankle has to be bothering him more than anyone really knows. I'd want to give him another year, let him work all offseason with Devin and whoever else we bring in to catch the ball and see what we've got.

If I recall at the end of last year at Soldier against Minny he hit Devin on a bomb that had to travel 45-50 yards in air. I think/hope he has it in him...

Orton hasn't proven he's a better QB, but Rex proved he was not the answer at QB for 6 years. He also proved that he was better than Rex in preseason by beating him out.


The same Rex Grossman who's best option last year was to return to a team that he failed to establish himself as a starter for half a decade and a fan base that thinks he sucks? I'm sure he really improved his value with his great performance this year.


With better WR's and offensive line he could. I'd be shocked if there was a team with as few playmakers on offense as the Bears. If they didn't have Matt Forte they'd have almost nothing.


Have you not been reading about people saying Orton sucked the last two games? Matt Forte has gotten the credit for most of the wins.


Speaking of teflon, how long until you realize that Rex Grossman sucks? Does he have to suck for 10 years? 15? It's clear 6 isn't enough for you.

By the way, even Orton supporters like me think we should draft a QB and it should be an open competition next year.


They aren't. They drop a lot of balls. They are slow. The announcers yesterday even mentioned how they never seemed to have separation. The fact that we use the tight ends so much is an indication that our WR's aren't exactly great assets.


Or a rookie who was drafted with the idea that he wouldn't be playing as the scout team QB. You don't draft a QB in the fourth round and expect him to see anything more than practice time.


Boo hoo for Rex. He's made millions from being a QB for years with the Bears.


Well, they went with Orton and we have 9 wins with a crippled defense compared to what Rex had. I think they made the right decision.


Yes, because it's the Bears fans fault that Rex Grossman had a chance to be the starter for 6 years and failed at it. If there were any justice, he wouldn't have wasted the Bears time for 6 years and retired after his rookie season.


Being a blind Rex supporter doesn't make you a real fan. I support Orton but if he fails to deliver this year or next I won't be whining about how bad he was treated. The NFL is a big boy game.

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Boilermaker is everything that is wrong with fans today. Thinks making death threats, throwing things and making obscene gestures makes you a real fan. No it makes you a POS of a person let alone a fan.

If you got that from his post, you must think David Letterman is sending you secret messages through your TV too.

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I was trying my best to put my brain on the same path as cubbiegirlshamus but I think that sums it up best.

Let me say that Rex should move on after this season and I had no problem with the Bears starting Orton this year, so I don't think I am a Rex fan boy.

But I don't quite understand the vitriol Rex receives from the fans like the quotes above. Sure he drove me crazy with some of his ill advised throws, but he also made some big throws in the playoffs in '06, the bomb to Berrian and the throw to Davis in OT against the Seahawks, the throws to Berrian in the clinching TD drive against the Saints. The Bear defense late in '06 wasn't exactly 85 vintage either, so please don't say the defense carried the Bears to the SB.

And since Orton and Grossman have nearly the same career QB rating after the about the same number of games, is it safe to say that both Orton and Grossman have sucked and that both QB's have wasted the Bears time?

WOW - So much love for someone who has proven that he cannot excel in the sport(or even keep us competetive for an entire season) and so much hatred for Bears fans in general - You know what?? Take your MORONIC love for Rexisourquarterback to the team that is MORONIC enough to take a chance on him and get the fuck out of Bears nation - AND Cubs nation, while we're at it (you're probably goin ape-shit 'cuz everyone's been doggin Fukudome, right?) No, wait - I wanna get on your good side, SO PUT REXISOURQUARTERBACK IN THE HALL OF FAME!!! Orton sucks, but is better than the alternative that we have now...

Is it possible that cubbiegirlshamus is the poster formerly known as parkridgesteph?

The clues:

Use of the word 'shamus', exclusive to members of the Trixie Belden Fan Club, of which parkridgesteph was a card carrying member.

Insane over-the-top love for a particular player, no matter how ridiculous they are. Parkridgesteph had some serious Kerry Wood issues.

Hmmmmmm. I wonder what Keeping Score would say about this one.

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Seriously?

I thought I explained I can't access the email I was at with parkridgesteph so I had to change.

I have no problem with the good fans and them wanting a change. But the hate spewing towards Grossman has gotten completely out of hand.

I don't hate real fans. I can't stand those that throw things, make obscene gestures, shout obscenities and make death threats and root for the team to lose when someone they don't like starts.

People that say he'd be lucky to even be a 3rd stringer next year are the ridiculous people I'm talking about. I find those people 100 times more ridiculous than any fan of Rex is.

The bad guys need a comeuppance. The bad guys are anyone who shouts obscenities, makes obscene gestures and throws things on the field. Those aren't real fans. They are drunken meatballs. I don't even have a problem with simple booing. Even a little stupidity but constant?

I will root for Rex unless he is playing the Bears although him beating the Bears would be poetic justice. But being a good person I always root for former Bears and Cubs unless they are playing us. OR they were jerks here or something else.

And when they do I hope for them to have a good game but the Bears or Cubs to still win. A good example is a starting pitcher in baseball. I'd want him to have a good game but the Cubs to beat the bullpen. Unfortunately it is not likely that Rex would have a good game and the Bears to win with this offense.

I am making more of a point of the one sided coverage of this. Everything got blamed on Rex and nothing gets blamed on Orton.

I don't even have as much faith in Rex as I do lack of faith in the judgement of our front office and coaches when it comes to offensive decision making. Also face it this is Chicago. We never keep the right guy!

And typical of the meatball fan is telling me to go away because I don't drink the Kyle Orton kool aid and think that throwing things on the field is wrong.

And these same people spewing this hate will be the same people calling in the Score next season whining about getting rid of Rex when he's doing well elsewhere.

And come on guys and girls wouldn't it be typical Chicago sports to have him go to a rival and beat us twice a year when the guy we kept is not good.

I can even see Orton being pretty good. He will never be able to go as high as Rex but he won't hit the lows either.

The other thing is the 6 year thing. Kyle has been in the NFL four years. Rex's first full season as a starter was 06. This is Kyle's second full season as a starter.

How about we compromise. He goes to the AFC and sets the world on fire. Everyone with any sense of decency would hope for that. Only complete and total scumbags would not. There is no reason not to root for him to do elsewhere unless he's playing us.

Sometimes bad play does not make someone a bad guy. The greatest athlete in Chicago and maybe team sports history was a real piece of work. Michael Jordan.

Boilermaker Rick thinks Grossman was treated fairly by the fans. Therefore he thinks the obscene gestures, throwing things and such make one a real fan. That's why he thinks that behavior is what he thinks makes a real fan.

And you can't whine Orton was treated unfairly because he hasn't. His butt has been kissed from here to Tuesday by the media and fans.

The pregame on channel 7 was the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen on Monday night. I thought Jim rose was going to propose to Kyle during that piece.

Welcome aboard Cubbiesgirl.
Grossman had plenty of opportunity. He played himself out of favor with the Bear fans. This isn't about the big bad Bear fans. This is about poor QB play. When Orton tells us he had a bad game becasue he was thinking about a party later on, well then I think he'll lose his nonstick coating.

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He was not given a chance by the fans. First bad game they started the ridiculous.

And I'm sorry it got way over the top the fans behavior. There is no excuse for that. Never any excuse for the throwing things, obscene gestures and obscene language constant.

The lowest point in fan history had to be the POS who booed the TD against the Lions.

And anyone that couldn't tell he was kidding about the party thing I want to play poker with because it was obvious to even my dog he was kidding.

Antonio Bryant
Bryant Johnson

Wanted them last year and will take again this year both UFA

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BigFan, there's no reward for completing the entire shitty WR collection.

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What do you want them for, the garbage heap?

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