White Sox fans, I heard ESPN Radio 1000's afternoon "SportsCenter" anchor Dave Juday mention a Bruce Levine report throughout the "Mac, Jurko & Harry" show about a deal that was NOT made involving the Southsiders. It's no secret that the White Sox are trying to trade former World Series MVP, right fielder Jermaine Dye. You know that the Sox were supposedly talking to the Cincinnati Reds at the Winter Meetings about a rumored deal involving #23 last month. According to this story I heard late this afternoon, the Sox supposedly had trade talks with the Texas Rangers in which Jermaine would be traded for shortstop Michael Young, but the deal fell through when the Sox wouldn't include pitcher Aaron Pereda. I don't know about you, but unless the Sox were thinking about shifting Young from shortstop to second base, this deal puzzles me. I know the Sox want to trade Dye, shift Carlos Quentin to right field & Alexei Ramirez take over as the everyday shortstop, but I don't quite understand why the Sox would even consider a move like this...

It might be OK if there were other minor leaguers involved in the deal. Young did not have his best year last year, but he wasn't bad on offense, and he is above average on defense. He's very healthy, and hits for a good average, but he strikes out A LOT. White Sox don't need this. We have to get OBP guys rather than AVG guys, IMHO, because our SLG guys hit HRs but when there are no RISPs or men on base in general, the HR has less impact.

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Based on what I heard late this afternoon, the only minor leaguer mentioned was Pereda, who is supposed to a 5th starter candidate in Spring Training for the Sox...

Kenny and Ozzie have CRAZY man-love for Michael Young but he's owed $80 mil over the next 5 years. Dye is owed $12.5 million over the next year. I find it impossible to believe Texas would ask for a top prospect in addition to $67.5 mil in salary relief.

GM denies ChiSox-Rangers blockbusterViews 163 Comments 1 07:53 AM ET 01.10 Share Print It My T&R For the second time in a week, White Sox general manager Ken Williams is denying rumors his team is close to making what would be considered a blockbuster deal. Williams, via e-mail, said he "would not waste" time chasing rumors the Sox might re-sign starting pitcher Jon Garland, a free agent, or have a big deal working with the Rangers involving All-Star shortstop Michael Young, veteran outfielder Jermaine Dye and top pitching prospect Aaron Poreda. Earlier this week, Williams denied a report in a Baltimore blog that the Sox were pursuing second baseman Brian Roberts for young starter Gavin Floyd. While he may be shopping Dye, Williams does not seem willing to part with young pitching, especially such top prospects as Poreda, Floyd and John Danks, all of whom may be in the 2009 rotation.

Chicago Tribune

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It seems about $20 mil of Young's contract has already been paid in bonuses so he's not as expensive as I thought. Still don't see the Sox including Poreda in the deal. Maybe it could work if they sent Broadway or Russell (and maybe Getz?). I assume Young would play SS and Alexei would stay at 2B. Not sure what happens when Beckham and Viciedo are ready. Alexei to center?

Dye would be a MONSTER in Texas with Kinsler and Hamilton hitting in front of him.

Why are there all these trade rumors surrounding KW?

I mean, these trades are so outlandish, they dont even deserve to be mentioned.

Roberts for Floyd plus
Young and his 70 million dollars for Dye AND Poereda

I swear some of these gems came off message boards from homer fans.

Hey, Ima start on, lets see it if rolls...
Konerko and Uribe for Adenhart, Brandon Wood, and Ervin Santana.

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When I first heard the Dye/Young trade that fell through, it really made me scratch my head. What was puzzling wasn't just that I could've sworn Michael recently re-signed with Texas, but where would he play here? Alexei Ramirez is supposed to the starting shortstop this season, even though I thought #10 was really good once he replaced Juan Uribe at second base full time. I didn't think the deal made a lot of sense, unless they figured Young would be the second baseman ahead of either Chris Getz or Jayson Nix. I'm glad this trade was not made.

I think he's trying to not only keep the White Sox competitive this year, but GM Kenny Williams realizes his farm system is not real good these days...Kenny realizes that the Sox aren't the Minnesota Twins or Tampa Bay Rays when it comes to manufacturing runs. He's trying to turn the Sox into a similar team that won't rely solely on the home run to score...

Examples please.

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I don't think the Sox are troubled with the total contract, only the per year. If Young=Dye in terms of dollars paid this year, I think KW could sell the deal to JR.

I think KW would like to make Viciedo a LF, and I think he would like to do it this year. He would then move Beckham to 3rd.

The thing I don't understand is the lack of attention to pitching. I know the Sox are not in a position to gamble but I would have taken the chance with either Penny or Smoltz for only 5 million.

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Most of his busts have been trades...not FA

Todd Ritchie
Javy Vazquez
David Wells

Wrong.

I dont know what your talking about but Javy Vazquez was traded for by Kenny Williams and he was a huge bust. Especially considering who they gave up.


Please explain your stance.

If I'm not mistaken, Javy Vazquez came to the White Sox via a trade with the Yankees, then the Sox re-signed him & traded his sorry butt to Atlanta when he couldn't get anyone out down the stretch...

You're mistaken.
They picked him up from Arizona for Luis Vizcaino, Orlando Hernandez and Chris Young.

Thanks Mike your now officially invited to Hoops 1

Get your fuckn facts right SHARK. Your nothing without them

WestmontMike, thanks for the correction. That was my mistake! He was a Yankee at one time, but the Sox did get him from Arizona, not from the South Bronx...

To acquire him Kenny gave up a slightly above average CF, a below average starter and a bad middle reliever. In 3 seasons with the Sox he went 38-36 made 98 starts and pitched 627.1 innings. They traded him this off season and received four (4) good prospects. You have to wait to see how these guys develop but even if none contribute (which is doubtful) it is very difficult for me to label his acquisition a 'bust'.

Ok I disagree.

My stance is Chris young is far above average and javy vazquez sucked it up in every big game.


Bust

Chris Young is not far above average.

Javy took the ball every 5th day and had 200 strikeouts all the time. That said, he does not have the stones to pitch well in a big game.

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Ok so Javy sucked every 5th day...Congratulations you have Jason Marquis but you paid him 11 million a year.

Young is good and the arrow is probably going up.

I kept hearing that Javy "had good stuff" when he was here, and I think that was a bunch of bull. Vazquez reminded me to a certain extent of Jon Garland, and there were games Garland pitched when he was here in which he allowed 5 runs or more when he pitched...The control wasn't there with Garland or with Vazquez.

Javy does have good stuff, and shows it from time to time, but does not have the intestinal fortitude to pitch in big games.

I am not saying the Vazquez deal was great, but its not a bust either.

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SHARK that comparison is ridiculous...stick to stating the obvious and telling us whos doing the NFL games this week

'Far' above average? In his two full seasons he had an ops of .762 and .758 with high strikeout totals (141 and 165 respectively). He's a good defensive player but that hardly pushes him to 'far' above average staus.



HA! If he were Jason Marquis Kenny would have had to pay some of his salary and would have only been able to get an overpaid shitty middle reliever in return. Not four (4) good prospects.

I think you know the answers to who's doing the NFL Championship games Sunday...Ozzie simply had no confidence in Vazquez down the stretch, and wished someone other than him started the Rays' ALDS that Tampa won in 5.

Ya good point. Fact is KENNY WILLIAMS resigned JAVY VAZQUEZ for 11 million per year...about 8 months after Sox fans were ridiculing the Ted Lilly 10mill$ signing.

Also while Kenny was commiting 11 a year to Javy...Chris Young was hitting 30 home runs out of the leadoff spot and performing well in the play offs.