With the 18th pick, the Bears select.........

Hopefully defense, considering Angelo has no clue taking offense in the first round.

Now, oh wise CSFMB members, will one of these guys be there at 18?

Taylor Mays?
Road Warrior Animals kid?

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There are several guys I would be happy with in the first round.

Mays, Maclin, Animal's son, Spikes, the USC linebacker, a few of the DEs.

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I wonder how many good offensive picks there'll have to be before this idea dies. Apparantly Greg Olsen and Matt Forte aren't enough.

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Did he take Forte in the first round?

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When the memory of Benson, and mishandling of the Grossman era fade. He has also made bad picks by his non picks. He should have drafted a line man or 2 and done something about his WRs but he ignored both.

Metcalf, Bradley,Beekman, Wolfe haven't and won't amount to much. Who knows about Bennett and Williams but it doesn't look good so far.

He has hit on a lot of defensive picks but wiffed on a lot too. My opinion his biggest problem is the bad picks in the early rounds and paying people he shouldn't.

Forte was a 2nd round pick.

Why would they be enough to overshadow all his bad picks?

First-third round offense picks that were good:
Bernard Berrian 2004 (Good, but gone)
Greg Olsen 2007 (I think he's terribly overrated but I'll put him in)
Matt Forte 2008

First-third round offense picks that were bad:
Marc Columbo 2002 (was bad for us at least)
Terrence Metcalf 2002
Ced Benson 2005
Mark Bradley 2005
Garrett Wolfe 2007
Chris Williams 2008
Earl Bennett 2008

Don't care enough to argue whether Grossman was good or bad.

You cannot put Chris Williams in the bad list yet. He has hardly seen the field.

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Sure I can, he's a first round draft pick that hardly saw the field his first year because of a pre-existing injury the Bears didn't care about. Chris Williams can be a good player, but right now he's a bad pick.

All that really shows is that a lot of those picks have had bad injury luck. Columbo has been a productive starter in Dallas. It must be Angelo's fault that he got his knee rolled up. Terrance Metcalf is a servicable NFL backup. And we don't know abut the 2008 picks one way or another.

Of the offensive players taken in the past two years we've seen on the field, they've been good.

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I think they should draft a RB.

I don't care about fault and I don't care how these guys perform for other teams. I only care about how they perform for the Bears. Two good picks in 2 years or three good picks in 7 years shouldn't dispel the idea he doesn't draft offense well, it reinforces it.

Still looking for proof Forte was drafted in the first round............

And if your trying to defend Angelo's offensive drafting, your rebuttle is falling on deaf ears.


Road Warrior Animals son, has his stock dropped?
Wasnt he a top 5 pick? I swear in that USA today paper that costs 1.75 at JJ Peppers that you only buy when you have the beer shits had him pegged as the third guy taken.

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I have never seen him listed this high. All the places I have read about have had him listed as a mid 1st round guy.

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Guys, the jury is out on Chris Williams, who indeed saw very limited at best action in his rookie season due to a back injury that was revealed a couple days after the Bears signed him in training camp. It wasn't until during the Bears' first preseason game where back issues and the Bears' #1 pick were revealed. Even though the Bears needed to address their offensive line in the draft, I think what raised red flags was that the team didn't seem to do their homework before they drafted Chris and that several NFL teams were scared away concerning what happened at Vanderbilt. It doesn't look good, especially if the back issues flare up again in Bourbonnais next August.

I'm not making a statement either way but the Forte pick should never be used as a judge of talent evaluation. You could have put all the RB names on a board and thrown a dart at it on draft day resulting in a quality RB with a lot of potential.

Drafting an RB in 2008 was a failure proof proposition. Mendenhall looks like the biggest bust of the group, and there is no way I'd lable him a future bust.

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18 is a terrible spot...they seemed so much worse than that.

At 18 the best CB QB RB OT WR are all gone but your still paying first round money

2nd tier of the first round sucks

I could't agree more with your posts, KD - I'll go as far as saying that this guy is absolutely incompetent as far as drafting offense goes - and even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then...

Everything I have read and heard over the past couple of years indicates that drafting in the top 10 after the first couple of picks sucks. You pay top money for players you are only marginally better than the next 10.

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Yeah I guess fro 6-20 The Gms talent evaluation really shows. 1 to 5 are usually set and anything after 20 isnt considered a top pick

Last year's #18 is doing pretty well. Joe Flacco.

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Yeah but the point is unless its an obvious pick...Angelo will make the wrong decision.

If Jeremy Maclin is available and he is not picked I give up on Jerry Angelo.

I don't know if he's a star WR in the league but unless they roll out the cash for TJ HOUSHMAZILI he's the best way to upgrade our biggest position of need.

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I have a better plan in my Patrick Crayton thread.

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With the Chargers' loss in Pittsburgh yesterday, #18 is indeed where the Bears are scheduled to draft in Round 1 of the NFL Draft this April. As much as I would like to see the Bears upgrade their suddenly aging defensive line, secondary & offensive line, they really need to address their receiving corps & either draft a guy with gamebreaking speed or spend the $$$$ to trade for one in free agency. With Kyle Orton likely to be the starting QB next season from the getgo, they need guys who can break a close game open. The current guys are flat out terrible, and I think it's also time to end the Devin Hester experiment!

If everyone thinks Angelo's gonna fuck up the 1st round pick anyway, then I'd rather have him pick an offensive lineman every year with that pick.

The fuck you talking about? I cannot remember a single time he was thrown to downfield that he had not beaten double coverage. That experiment is working.

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What about trading down for another second and possibly a third?

It is shaping up to be a deep draft, and unless Mays is there Id rather he picks where hes a little more successful, personally

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Just read the thread. It's all in there.

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It is a quick and cheap fix. It also allows the Bears to use money/picks to fill other critical needs.

The Bear are most likely not going to find WR who makes an immediate impact in the draft. Not that they can't, just that it does not happen often across the entire league.

I think a guy like Suggs would have a much greater impact on Bear fortunes next year than someone like Houshmanzadeh.

If they can get Boldin, on the other hand, well that is something to talk about.

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That's the thing; only very rarely are rookie WRs productive at all. Besides from QB, it seems to be the steepest learning curve on the field. Bringing in a Maclin or Heyward-Bey or whoever is great, but he's unlikely to help much next year. For the record, I think my guy for the graft is Everette Brown out of FSU, but I'm not 100% on that. I'd rather get a DE. I would entertain the idea of using a #1 for Boldin.

That's also why I'm optimistic for Hester as well. I think he had around 50 catches this year, and by the end of the season he was just about the only WR Orton seemed to trust. 50 catches isn't other worldly, but it isn't awful either, especially for a guy you only really expect to be a number two. Also, it may not seem like it, but WR is really hard, even for guys that played WR in college. Not only are there the plays and motions, but almost all routes in the NFL have options built in, plus you need to key on DBs, plus you need to catch the ball and be athletic enough to do something with it. This was, basically, Hester's second year as a wide receiver, and the first year was just as a gadget player. He's reputed not to be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but a lot of smarter guys never pick up WR because the reads and clues are just too hard. Hester was running every route by the end of the year. And running them well enough. I see no reason why he couldn't be a legitimate number 2- the sort of receiver that would be a number 2 on almost any team- next year.

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