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Oh a little career advice for Mac.

Get a job at a GOOD radio station. It might not be good moolah at the beginning but go in there and sign a short term deal. Quickly build-up an audience and get some great ratings. In a few years the economy will be back on track and you can sign a big deal down the road.

Also, don't be Mr. Nice Guy about ESPNradio. Speak the truth about how they are turning a great radio station into a trainwreck.

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Just found out about this. Very disapointing news. I've been listening to a lot more B&B lately. Looks like that will continue...

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I would not be surprised if Waddle and Silvy make the move to afternoons. ESPN put a lot of money and effort into signing Waddle, and would get more exposure for him in the afternoons. Then he wouldn't have to kill himself flying back from LA after his NFL network gig.


This is a very intriguing thought. I'd think that ESPN wouldn't be dumb enough to throw national broadcasting up against their biggest competitor (Score) in drive-time (then again, they did just de-rail themselves). Silvy & Waddle to afternoons makes perfect sense.

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I hear there is this thing called Webio.The show was sounding tired and the money he and North got was way too much for guys who talk sports. Look out Boers your next!

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WOW! First I have heard of this and I am pretty upset. Mac, you are what
kept me tuning in not only to the show but checking out the board. Wish you
the best of luck and I will seek you out wherever you land. This should be a
big blow to ESPN1000. I have lost a lot of respect for them and what they are
trying to do. Money aside, you have to put your best product out there for the
listeners and they just torpedoed the best afternoon show on.

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Maybe Mac saw it coming....which explains the verbal bouquets thrown at North lately


Read about Mac's being let go on a tv scroll last night and your comment reflects my first thought. Let the North "lickage" continue.

Bad move on MVP's part IMO

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Mac would fit nicely into a $750K slot.

Maybe a year ago yes but I would guess the current economics would not support that.


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I am just not convinced that ESPN1000 is not making money with or without macs contract. I know the economy is bad, but I just think the ESPN brand is making plenty of money, whats next, a bailout for espn?


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I like Waddle and Silvy (and Carm, Hood, and JD), but ratings wise, B&B would mop the floor with them if that was the choice for afternoon drive.

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Is this really that shocking when you stop and think about it?

1. Ratings have been slipping with the heady days of being #1 in the adult male demo a thing of the past and he's even losing to B&B now more often. Mac himself said this is "unacceptable."

2. He's making a pretty good amount of money in a corporate world that's trying to cut, slash, and burn at every opportunity.

3. He's a guy with a long track record of saying the wrong thing at the wrong time. A few days ago, he bashes his station's morning show in the newspaper, saying it's an embarrassment that it wins here and it belongs in Enid, Oklahoma.

He was rewarded and made his big dough when he was delivering top-flight ratings in a much better economy and I'm happy for him. Neither of those things are true anymore. I'm really not that stunned.


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Jurko should be cozying up to Waddle to get some NFL Network contacts.

Harry should be.....independently wealthy, so he should just finance "Up The Academy II."

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I agree with those who have argued that Mac's removal from the airwaves is largely a negotiating tactic. While the execs at ESPN HQ would like to eliminate local programming wherever possible, there's no way they're going to slaughter a cash cow like Mac, especially in this economy. Due to decreasing advertising revenues, though, the network needs to force Mac to accept a lower salary so it can maintain a decent profit margin. The timing of this move makes perfect sense to me because ESPN has all the leverage right now. Mac is still under contract, so he can't immediately go anywhere else. Further, the station at which he is most likely to find employment after ESPN, the Score, is part of a CBS media conglomerate that is currently engaging in mass layoffs. This fact makes it extremely unlikely that the Score would be interested in picking up Mac right now, despite his cozy relationship with Mitch Rosen. I'm sure the ESPN execs are aware of this labor climate, are trying to make Mac nervous about his future, and are gambling that he'll accept a reduced contract at ESPN rather than wait out the bad economy to take a new job at the Score. In the end, Mac will likely be back on the radio by the spring--he would be really stupid not to accept a salary reduction right now--because there's no telling when CBS will be in a financial position favorable enough to put him on the Score's airwaves. In my view, then, it's really Jurko and/or Harry who should be concerned right now. One or both of them may be gone when their contracts expire. Ultimately, it may be Carmen who replaces Harry and/or Jurko for a much cheaper price, although they both could be back if they, too, accept steep salary reductions.

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I agree with those who have argued that Mac's removal from the airwaves is largely a negotiating tactic. While the execs at ESPN HQ would like to eliminate local programming wherever possible, there's no way they're going to slaughter a cash cow like Mac, especially in this economy. Due to decreasing advertising revenues, though, the network needs to force Mac to accept a lower salary so it can maintain a decent profit margin. The timing of this move makes perfect sense to me because ESPN has all the leverage right now. Mac is still under contract, so he can't immediately go anywhere else. Further, the station at which he is most likely to find employment after ESPN, the Score, is part of a CBS media conglomerate that is currently engaging in mass layoffs. This fact makes it extremely unlikely that the Score would be interested in picking up Mac right now, despite his cozy relationship with Mitch Rosen. I'm sure the ESPN execs are aware of this labor climate, are trying to make Mac nervous about his future, and are gambling that he'll accept a reduced contract at ESPN rather than wait out the bad economy to take a new job at the Score. In the end, Mac will likely be back on the radio by the spring--he would be really stupid not to accept a salary reduction right now--because there's no telling when CBS will be in a financial position favorable enough to put him on the Score's airwaves. In my view, then, it's really Jurko and/or Harry who should be concerned right now. One or both of them may be gone when their contracts expire. Ultimately, it may be Carmen who replaces Harry and/or Jurko for a much cheaper price, although they both could be back if they, too, accept steep salary reductions.


I might of agreed with this but the Score had 750k on the table for North and we know what a trainwreck that show was so and to say CBS would not want to pony up some coin for Mac is a bit premature.

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Everyone needs to calm the F**K down. Included in this statement are:

Radio Station Management
Listeners of Sports Radio
Radio Station Hosts
Internet Posters (myself included)

First, teaming Mac with Uncle Terry again is a bad idea. HFC was great, but let's not get nostalgic. The current Score afternoon team is outstanding. Every show will have people that don't get it. Especially a show like Boers and Bernstein. However, it will now dominate the afternoon slot. I just hope Dan is open to the idea of actually making less than the last contract. It is happening in every area of business, this one is just more public.

Mac should have a HUGE spot at what will be the new Score. Mac, if you are open to mornings, here you go. You have a ready made co-host in Drinky. I hope you are able to "roll out of bed" for less than 500k. This contract will probably be a horrible reality check, but good times could be on the horizon. Create a team of Mac, Drinky, and a very young (and cheap) third host, and you beat Mike and Mike in nine months to a year. This show could become the biggest thing in the history of Chicago Sports Radio. Just think about it.

What happens to Mully and Hanley you say? Back to middays. I don't THINK they would have a problem there, as most find not having that morning schedule a relief. I really like that team, but they don't have the ratings ability of Mac.

Holmes and Hampton. Do I need to go further with this one. Larry deserves a spot at the station, I just don't know where. Hampton needs to be somewhere that nobody can hear him. Perhaps WMVP!!!!!!!

I HATE MURPH SO MUCH I CAN TASTE IT. But, he does have a following. It kills me to say this, but keep.....ugghhhhh....Murph where he is at. UGHHHHH. Hey, don't talk about this show...talk about the other show....ehhh.

Once again, please relax and think everyone. This economy is causing most to lose their damn mind. I know it is easy for someone to tell others to take less money. However, this is the current situation we live in. The Score has the opportunity to eclipse all previous success. Mac has this same opportunity. I just hope the people in charge of the Score, and Mac, have the ability to see it.

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I know Dan is the forgiving non-hater and realizes that it is for the best. His boat in Search of Gilligan can now begin. He is altruistic and thinks of his fellow man before he thinks of himself.

Godspeed, Mac! The next chapter in your life will find you at peace in Indiana and working comp. for charities, a religious organization or an orphanage where the common man can be near your mirth and all will benefit.

Obama speaks of re-kindling the Peace Corps, perhaps Dan could volunteer to spearhead a Midwest project and bring his warmth and wisdom to those less fortunate. He is kind and wise, couldn't think of a better man, no a better person to lead the undesirables, the forgotten, the down-trodden, the hapless, those with no hope!

Mac, it is your time! Do it for yourself, for us, for mankind! If you can reach 50 people on the radio, what would mean more than to touch one soul and see the beaming face of a child? That in itself is more reward than 750K, Allen Brothers and boating on Lake Michigan!


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If this isn't a negotiating tactic by ESPN and Mac really is done at AM1000, I wonder what the buzz is among those in the industry? Mac was never bashful about taking shots at those in the local (and national) media and telling everyone else -- from sales to marketing to production to on-air talent -- how they should be doing their jobs. I know Mac is a proven ratings getter, but between his knack for spending time in the penalty box and ripping his colleagues up and down the dial, I wonder if he's seen as too high maintenance and not worth the trouble? Never having worked in TV/radio I don't know if, despite ratings success, you can shoot your mouth off too much or burn too many bridges and wind up screwing yourself.

If he is done at AM1000, I can't imagine him not being part of WSCR when it's contractually possible.

I don't dislike Jurko but he doesn't do much for me, especially when he's playing up his role as the "dumb jock." I'm not even sure if he takes his job seriously enough to care if he stays on the air or not. As plenty of other people have noted, he often sounds less than interested in being part of the show. I wonder what else he has in the hopper to fall back on if he's no longer part of the plan at AM1000? Maybe he could do something with ESPN's NASCAR shows?

I loathe Teinowitz, and can only imagine that he's salivating over the prospect of bringing even more of his unique brand of soul-crushing lameness to the air without the fear of reprisal by Mac. Every brutally unfunny idea he's ever had will likely be on the table at Monday's production meeting -- appearances by Spike Manton and Danny Bonaduce, saying "What's growin' on?" umpteen times...

Does everyone agree that Mac will likely be a guest on "Monsters in the Morning" sometime this week (unless his lawyer tells him otherwise)?


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I think it is now appropriate to move all Mac related posts to the Media Graveyard.


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WOW! First I have heard of this and I am pretty upset. Mac, you are what
kept me tuning in not only to the show but checking out the board. Wish you
the best of luck and I will seek you out wherever you land. This should be a
big blow to ESPN1000. I have lost a lot of respect for them and what they are
trying to do. Money aside, you have to put your best product out there for the
listeners and they just torpedoed the best afternoon show on.



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Imagine the glee in Happy Harry's face. The stupid putz outlasted the mighty Mac.

Have fun on your new boat, mackeyfish, you Barney Rubble looking douche!

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aparicio wrote:
I think it is now appropriate to move all Mac related posts to the Media Graveyard.


Man, the gravediggers there have been putting in a lot of overtime the past year or so. I'm hearing Mac's plot will be in the "Whispering Oaks" section, just a little north of Kerry Sayers and not too far from Fred Huebner.


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Well I'm pretty disappointed.
I was looping a guitar cable around the ceiling fan and securing it to the banister last night after I got the news... :aaargh:
Great...just what I need. More fucking free time when it's 9 degrees outside.

but, then I thought about the the message board children and figured I would post something stupid instead.
odd that Grid and I both did not listen to MJH yesterday for various reason.
PODCAST! Guess I'll download all of them.
Memories...

ESPN you've done it! You've managed to put an end to your ratings post noon. Good job guys!
Hear that?
*crickets*
Hear the silence?
That's from the black hole in the lineup from noon until Bulls games. fucking BULLS games!
You know who listens to Bulls pregame on the radio? People who are driving to the Bulls games.... all 18k of them.

So that black hole...that's where all of the people like me are NOT. This P1 is outta here, cuz i'm doug.

Carm, Jurko, and Harry? meh.... I've heard that show. I'd rather have Carm and JD. or Carm, JD, Hood, or Finfer or someone.
Mac, Jurko, and Harry were a unique blend that made a lot of people extrememly happy outside of the dumb little radio show and ESPN blew it to pieces for $600k?
I know that's a lot of money, but the Mouse has shitton of cash in those red pants with the round white buttons.
Fuck you BooYa Mickey. I hope Captain Hook prison rapes you.

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I agree with those who have argued that Mac's removal from the airwaves is largely a negotiating tactic. While the execs at ESPN HQ would like to eliminate local programming wherever possible, there's no way they're going to slaughter a cash cow like Mac, especially in this economy. Due to decreasing advertising revenues, though, the network needs to force Mac to accept a lower salary so it can maintain a decent profit margin. The timing of this move makes perfect sense to me because ESPN has all the leverage right now. Mac is still under contract, so he can't immediately go anywhere else. Further, the station at which he is most likely to find employment after ESPN, the Score, is part of a CBS media conglomerate that is currently engaging in mass layoffs. This fact makes it extremely unlikely that the Score would be interested in picking up Mac right now, despite his cozy relationship with Mitch Rosen. I'm sure the ESPN execs are aware of this labor climate, are trying to make Mac nervous about his future, and are gambling that he'll accept a reduced contract at ESPN rather than wait out the bad economy to take a new job at the Score. In the end, Mac will likely be back on the radio by the spring--he would be really stupid not to accept a salary reduction right now--because there's no telling when CBS will be in a financial position favorable enough to put him on the Score's airwaves. In my view, then, it's really Jurko and/or Harry who should be concerned right now. One or both of them may be gone when their contracts expire. Ultimately, it may be Carmen who replaces Harry and/or Jurko for a much cheaper price, although they both could be back if they, too, accept steep salary reductions.


I might of agreed with this but the Score had 750k on the table for North and we know what a trainwreck that show was so and to say CBS would not want to pony up some coin for Mac is a bit premature.
The economy and CBS's finances have gotten much worse since that apparent offer was made. Big money in radio is gone for quite a while.


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Where to begin…

I know I’m in the minority here, but as much as I’ve been a long standing fan of Mac, I think the MJH show ran it’s coarse a while ago. I think Mac’s the best in the business as far as driving a sports talk show, but it was time for a change. That being said, ESPN is taking a big gamble on this one and will likely lose… if Mac ends up back at WSCR or somewhere else, ESPN 1000 will become as irrelevant as they used to be in record time. The afternoon will plunge and unfortunately, I think the Silvy and Waddle will suffer, too. Mac carried that station. Period.

Carmen seems like a nice guy and I’m sure is talented, but as far as driving a show… no. He’s just not that engaging.

It appears Mac is going to get some extended time off. It’s probably in his best interest from a negotiating standpoint to stay off the board. I hope he’s able to recharge and come back in May ready to take over mornings or afternoons with a vengeance with a new show… not MJH and not HFC.

Good luck Mac… hope you are back soon.

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Mac won't get into specifics, but I bet he will jump on here at some point this weekend just to say thanks and goodbye. I agree with Doug, as a fellow and admitted MJH-ALS card carrying member, I had AM1000 in my car almost 100% of the time I was driving during the week. Not anymore. Enjoy your soon-to-be basement ratings Pastor and Craig, you've earned them.

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Mac carried the station to Second Place, he did his part. Maybe J and H could've picked up the slack and made them Number One, those dreams are over now.

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Where to begin…

I know I’m in the minority here, but as much as I’ve been a long standing fan of Mac, I think the MJH show ran it’s coarse a while ago. I think Mac’s the best in the business as far as driving a sports talk show, but it was time for a change. That being said, ESPN is taking a big gamble on this one and will likely lose… if Mac ends up back at WSCR or somewhere else, ESPN 1000 will become as irrelevant as they used to be in record time. The afternoon will plunge and unfortunately, I think the Silvy and Waddle will suffer, too. Mac carried that station. Period.

Carmen seems like a nice guy and I’m sure is talented, but as far as driving a show… no. He’s just not that engaging.

It appears Mac is going to get some extended time off. It’s probably in his best interest from a negotiating standpoint to stay off the board. I hope he’s able to recharge and come back in May ready to take over mornings or afternoons with a vengeance with a new show… not MJH and not HFC.

Good luck Mac… hope you are back soon.


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i am simply shocked. how does espn plan to keep people listening when the majority of listeners liked mac the most. i guess mac forshadowed his own departure when after dahls firing he said whos next. i guess it was you mac.

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Imagine the glee in Happy Harry's face. The stupid putz outlasted the mighty Mac.

Have fun on your new boat, mackeyfish, you Barney Rubble looking douche!


You're a fucking asshole :!: Harry is not happy, if anything, he's probably scared that his future is less than secure. Mac made that show a success and without him, it's likely to fail.The ratings may have dropped a bit in 2008, but this is gonna result in a drop far greater than Jim Pastor might be anticipating. I had heard that Jurko's contract is up in the spring and unless things go better than I would expect, after the ratings drop further Jurko may be out the door too. Calling Mac a Barney Rubble looking Douche, shows that you have personal issues with him. Whats the matter, you called in with some stupid comment and he made fun of you for it? The guy just lost his job and you want to celebrate it. But Mac will land on his feet and be fine. He'll rebound from this and perhaps have an even better show somewhere. You, however-will still be a jealous small minded classless loser.

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