Sorry to sound like B and B and not telling you all the info, but I have my sources I must protect and the Cubs are not getting Peavy. Anything could change, but their is NO plan in place to get him, to the contrary, the plan is to not get him.

I really thought it was just waiting for a closure onthe sale and then the deal would be done.

I might even remove this post after I think about it more, but my source is better than any source Bruce has on this one.

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You must not listen to Murph because Stone said this months ago.

Unless Peavy can hit in the post season, the Cub don't need him.

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1. Stone said he didnt think it would happen. I am telling you it is written for it not to happen now. Stone has ZERO Cub info now. He is toasting his own bridge over there. Anything he says is rehashed from somewhere else.

2. My Santo source was revealed and they are not in the business of breaking stories. Baseball Reference. I was talking to him and he mentioned it to me that some of his baseball guys said Veterans were voting Santo in. Personally I dont care that much, but he figured because I am a Cub fan I would be all happy.

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If you listen to what Stone said it was never about 'inside information'. He looked at what Peavy is set to earn and what the cubs already have committed in salary. In 2011 Peavy will earn $16, Zambrano $17.875, Soriano $18, Ramirez $14.6 Dempster $13.5, Fukudome $13.5 (YIKES!) and Bradley $12 (if he stays healthy). That's $105.475 committed to 7 players. Add in large arbitration increases for Marmol, Soto and Theriot and you're looking at around $125 mil for 10 players. cub fans think Stone is being mean when he talks about back-loaded contracts but the reality is the cubs have a TON of money committed and Stone said they need to move some of that salary OR have new ownership approve the deal. Neither has happened so Peavy is not here.

"OR have new ownership approve the deal."

and I am telling you it has been denied. There is nothing to wait for.

Could it be changed if they dump more money? If they find a crazy second investor, yes, everything can change, but nothing is pending as Stone or many many others report.

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I would much rather have Heilman than Peavy. Better to have a tweener starter/reliever who can't get a lefty out to save his life.

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that is really pointless, isn't it? Stone has no idea what the Cubs are doing and he's biased anyways. I don't think the Cubs are going to get Peavy, but it's certainly not because Stone said so. You know how many times he's been wrong about the Cubs JUST since 2004? He's wrong almost every year on his predictions on the Cubs. He's just a pompous airbag who when pressed for answers will just give obvious information obscured with flowery prose and talking in circles. Even the things he used to be decent at, like predicting the success of minor leaguers-he's been awful when it pertains to the Cubs end. Anybody with baseball sense needs to put him on their pay no mind list.

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I don't want Peavy. His ERA away from Petco is not very good and in Wrigley, he might well struggle. Plus, at 20 million a year, he would represent a huge increase in payroll. Lastly, he's had stints on the D.L. the past 2 seasons and that also makes me leery. If they want to up the payroll, deal for Brian Roberts.

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Steve you really have to let the Roberts thing go man....its not going to happen.

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Of course you dont want him...now. This is vintage Championship Mountain...soon as the Cubs are out of the running for a player...Steve never wanted him.

I agreee on Roberts...its time to move on.

see, RPB in the same post Steve proves your point wrong. He still wants Roberts even though it's obvious the Cubs won't get him...

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If you read previous posts about Peavy, you would see that my stance on Peavy has been consistant. I think for the risk involved (trips to the DL 2 years straight) his salary (20 million) and his ERA away from Petco, he represents a poor gamble. I am not going to give up on Roberts until he is dealt by the Orioles. Whether that is prior to spring training, during spring training, or just prior to the trade deadline. No-I dont change my tune depending on who the Cubs get. I still would rather that the Cubs picked up Abreau than Bradley too. I do not always agree with Hendrys moves. I made it clear that I would not have traded Cedeno either. Not because he's a great player, but with DeRosa gone, he was the best back-up at 3rd base and the only true back-up at SS. The Cubs didn't get Furcal either and I have talked plenty about having wanted him too, and switching Theriot over to 2nd base. Listinging is a skill you must not honed very well.

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Yet, you loved the Harden trade.

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Havent figured out how to listing yet.

Steve...all I know is it seems the Cubs get your stamp of approval no matter what they do. Every move they make is a good one. Every guy they pass on sucks.

They win 97 games and proceed to choke for the 2nd year in a row and your extolling the virtues of Back to Back division titles.

I just dont understand how you and a lot of cub fans look at things.

Thats the minty shit I use before I brush my teeth at night.

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Agreed. Hendry gave into all of MacPhail's trade demands and Andy still said no. MacPhail simply doesn't want to trade Roberts to the Cubs.

Also, they're not increasing the payroll. This is pretty much your 2009 Chicago Cubs.

I can't believe I'm doing this, but I'll kind of agree with Steve that Harden was a good move for 2008. Not so sure for 2009. Considering the decline in baseball salaries in 2009, I think the $7 million the Cubs will pay Harden could've been better spent.

The Harden trade is still a good trade. You did not give up a lot of high level prospects, Gallagher might be the only one who has an upside. Harden pitched very well in the regular season and while he did not pitch well in the playoffs, there is a long line of cubs who did not play well. The Cubs tried to win it all last year, this was a trade you make in an effort to win it all.

I will be happy if Harden can make 20 starts this year and if he doesn't then don't resign him after '09.




Well, I don't want to extoll the virtues of winning back to back division titles but it is an accomlishment not to be just overlooked. Especially considering the crap I have watched since the mid 80's when many seasons were pretty much over by August, when signing guys like Candy Maldonado and Jose Guzman in order to make the cubs competitive, not necessarily to win a world series.

I was pissed off as anyone watching the cubs in the playoffs, it was like I had tourette's syndrome watching that debacle. But at least I had something to watch the last two Octobers, unlike all but three years between 1984-2002.

right, that's a good point...the Cubs gave up so much to get a 20 game starter and a potential 5th starter for this season...

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See those are some low expectations right there...I dont care if he's injury prone....if 20 starts is what your hoping for youve made a wrong turn.



Look I suffered through the 80's and 90's too. Just because its a little better is no reason to be satisfied.

Just because they sucked soooooo bad doesnt mean you lower your expectations.

The goal is winning a world series. Thats it.

You should care if he is injury prone, because I base my expecations off that. I hope the Bears win the SB next year, but I don't expect it. I hope Hardne makes 30 starts next year but I don't expect it. If Harden can make 20 starts and if Zambrano, Lilly, Dempster stay relatively healthy then the Cubs should at least be in contention to win the division or a wild card spot.

And yeah i know that the goal is to win a world series, but their has been some success the last two seasons, they have not achieved the ultimate goal but they have been in position to at least contend. Which is better then being out of it by August.

Maybe i just look at things as being a shade of gray and not just black and white.

I think your missing my point. Of course Harden wont start 30...probably not 20 but then he shouldnt be in the rotation...or on the team



Yeah well you are an enigma so....maybe

Sorry I know things have been better lately...but its like the alcoholic father who beat you has now quit drinking...but he beats you when he's sober.

And low expectations/demands among fans have contributed to the legendary futility of my favorite team. So i get a little testy about what I deem "foolish optimism/low expectations"

Why shouldn't Harden be on the team? He was the second biggest pitching prize next to Sabathia during trade talks. The cubs did not have the young talent that Milwaukee had, so they traded for the next best pitcher.

You say the only goal is to win the WS. Agreed, which is why I don't understand your dismissal of Harden. Harden was the type of guy you pick up to win a WS. A pitcher than potentially can dominate in the playoffs.

The drawback is that you still have him for this year (only for 7 million, not a terrible amount). Do you want the cubs to trade him? What would they get for a pitcher who may need shoulder surgery? Do you want the cubs to release him?

I don't see myself has having low expectations, but realistic.

Im gonna have to respectfully disagree with that. Harden hasnt been more than a 5 inning threat in a couple years. You dont win in the playoffs with a pitcher that needs a backup (marshall)


Ok well its realistic to expect 15 starts from Harden. That doesnt mean its a good thing.