pete marovich?

is it Isiah Thomas?

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What year did 3 pointers start? That might give you a better idea.

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You sure? I was thinking it was later than that.

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I am stumped, great trivia question. I was going to paste the entire McDonalds
alumni list but that would have been a very long post.

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But the story was about a high schooler, so wouldn't it need to be when the 3 point line first started in high school, not the NBA?

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3 point line didn't hit high school until the mid 80s. I
think it was 1986 actually. Early guesses anyone?
Let's list all the national champion game opponents
from 1985 on to start.

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this is driving me crazy. i'm wiki-ing every guard i can think of that played in an NCAA title game.

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The 3 point line first started in 1986-87 in high school.

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Louisville (2) 72 Duke 69 Reunion Arena Dallas, Texas
1987 Indiana (5) 74 Syracuse 73 Louisiana Superdome New Orleans, Louisiana (2)
1988 Kansas (2) 83 Oklahoma 79 Kemper Arena Kansas City, Missouri (10)
1989† Michigan 80 Seton Hall 79 The Kingdome Seattle, Washington (4)
1990 UNLV 103 Duke 73 McNichols Sports Arena Denver, Colorado
1991 Duke 72 Kansas 65 Hoosier Dome Indianapolis, Indiana (2)
1992 Duke (2) 71 Michigan* 51 Metrodome Minneapolis, Minnesota (2)
1993 North Carolina (3) 77 Michigan* 71 Louisiana Superdome New Orleans, Louisiana (3)
1994 Arkansas 76 Duke 72 Charlotte Coliseum Charlotte, North Carolina
1995 UCLA (11) 89 Arkansas 78 The Kingdome Seattle, Washington (5)
1996 Kentucky (6) 76 Syracuse 67 Continental Airlines Arena East Rutherford, New Jersey
1997† Arizona 84 Kentucky 79 RCA Dome Indianapolis, Indiana (3)
1998 Kentucky (7) 78 Utah 69 Alamodome San Antonio, Texas
1999 Connecticut 77 Duke 74 Tropicana Field St. Petersburg, Florida
2000 Michigan State (2) 89 Florida 76 RCA Dome Indianapolis, Indiana (4)
2001 Duke (3) 82 Arizona 72 Metrodome Minneapolis, Minnesota (3)
2002 Maryland 64 Indiana 52 Georgia Dome Atlanta, Georgia (2)
2003 Syracuse 81 Kansas 78 Louisiana Superdome New Orleans, Louisiana (4)
2004 Connecticut (2) 82 Georgia Tech 73 Alamodome San Antonio, Texas (2)
2005 North Carolina (4) 75 Illinois 70 Edward Jones Dome St. Louis, Missouri (3)
2006 Florida 73 UCLA 57 RCA Dome Indianapolis, Indiana (5)
2007 Florida (2) 84 Ohio State 75 Georgia Dome Atlanta, Georgia (3)
2008† Kansas (3) 75 Memphis 68 Alamodome San Antonio, Texas (3)

it's not bobby hurley or mateen cleeves or deron williams

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10. Isiah Thomas, Indiana, 1981
Thomas, a sophomore point guard, scored 19 of his game-high 23 points and had four steals in the second half of the final against North Carolina to lead Indiana to a 63-50 victory and the second of Bob Knight's three national titles. Two of those steals came in the first 90 seconds after halftime and resulted in easy layups. "I thought the key for us were the two quick steals Isiah got at the start of the second half," Knight said. "That got us going."

Too early and this was at a camp.

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i was curious if the "it" in quotes was a clue. but that doesn't make sense as far as the high school 3-pointer timeline though...

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I was thinking Hurley.

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Mike Bibby?

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So many good players on these teams. There are at least 20 legitmate players
this could be.

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nope. he was a freshman.

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Was Rumeal Robinson a soph when they make the Finals in 89?

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Is he inferring that this guy was a difference maker at the NBA level?

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I got it...

Jay Williams.
Williams, Jay 1999 St. Joseph’s H.S., Metuchen, NJ Duke New Jersey Nets

during his senior year. In basketball that year, Williams was named a First Team All-State Player in New Jersey, the New Jersey Player of the Year, a Parade All-American, a USA Today first team All-American, and a McDonald's All-American, where he competed in the Slam Dunk Contest and the McDonald's All-American Game, scoring 20 points in the contest

At Duke, Williams became one of the few freshmen to average double figures in scoring, and was named ACC Rookie of the Year and National Freshman of the Year by The Sporting News, averaging 14.5 points, 6.5 assists and 4.2 rebounds per contest. He was also a first team Freshman All-American by Basketball Times.

In the summer of 2000, Williams shined as a member of the U.S. select team, a group of college players picked to play an exhibition against USA Basketball's "Dream Team", helping his team to surprisingly dominate the much more experienced pros for the first half of the game, before eventually succumbing to defeat in the second half.

Back at Duke that fall, Williams started all 39 games as a sophomore and lead the Devils to the 2001 NCAA National Championship, earning NABC Player of the Year honors.

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This question is driving me crazy.

What about the pudgy PG that was on UConn in 99?

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My guess is Jordan Farmar but he didn't average 50/game.

Here are the listed National High School Record holders for points per game, career and season.

I think he has his facts wrong.

Per Game — Career
41.1 Steve Blehm (Devils Lake North Dakota School for the Deaf, ND),
1970-73 (3,859/94)
40.4 Ervin Stepp (Phelps, KY), 1977-80 (3,071/76)
37.5 Steve Farquhar (Calvary Baptist Christian, NJ), 1983-85 (2,701/72)
37.2 Greg Procell (Noble Ebarb, LA), 1967-70 (6,702/180)
35.7 Isaac Bonds (Winslow, AZ), 1962-64
34.6 Paul Werle (Orrick, MO), 1986-88
33.7 Leon Wood (Santa Monica St. Monica, CA), 1977-79 (2,693/80)
33.1 Rod Watson (Memphis Westside, TN), 1982-85
32.6 Brian Hueblein (Pasadena Poly, CA), 1968-70 (1,859/57)
32.5 Tracy Murray (Glendora, CA), 1986-89 (3,053/94)

Per Game — Season
54.0 Bobby Joe Douglas (Marion, LA), 1979-80 (2,052/38)
53.7 Ervin Stepp (Phelps, KY), 1979-80
50.9 Bennie Fuller (Little Rock Arkansas School for the Deaf, AR),
1970-71
50.4 Kent Hyde (Onida, SD), 1953-54
49.8 Steve Farquhar (Calvary Baptist Christian, NJ), 1984-85
(1,494/30)
47.7 Tom McMillen (Mansfield, PA), 1969-70
47.3 Steve Blehm (Devils Lake North Dakota School for the Deaf, ND),
1970-71
47.2 Ervin Stepp (Phelps, KY), 1978-79
46.9 Larry Huston (Savannah, OH), 1954-55
46.8 Kelly Coleman (Wayland, KY), 1955-56

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Years ago, I heard about a short little shooter (whose name is not important) heading into the 10th grade. I went to watch him play at a basketball camp that featured nothing but top-rated players, 16 and under. Most observers thought he'd be overwhelmed by the talent.

He played well in his first game, but his team trailed by 9 with 50 seconds to go. However, he then made three consecutive 3-pointers, plus a steal, and suddenly the game was tied. We all stood slack-jawed at what had just happened. But the player acted as if he expected that ending.

Two years later, he led the nation in scoring (50 ppg) and was a McDonald's All-American. Two years after that, as a college soph, he was a starter in the NCAA title game. The kid was easy to write off, but he just kept coming, because he knew he had "it." Those of us who saw that last-minute performance knew he'd end up being a difference-maker.

Sure reads like fiction. A high school player averaging 50 a game ....started as a sophomore in a title game
was easy to write off????????????????????????????????????????Sure sounds like Runyon too me!

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I'm out.

I think the 50 pts per game has to be wrong.

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I sent Thorpe an e-mail asking him to give up the name. I will let you know if he
answers me back or not. Still stumped by this one.

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Its Teddy Dupay....THEE TEDDY DUPAY

Averaged 45 a game in high school. started for florida in the 2000 title game as a sophmore and was a mcdonalds all american



He was later charged with betting on games and rape.

Nice work Bryan. Never would have guessed that one.

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I searched the exact quote from the article...somebody on some other message board asked the question...and some other guy answered.

Its funny this kinda thing reminds me that the internets arent as vast as I think they are sometimes. Like yesterday I was pretty much thinking "Why is there not a website called sophomoreguardswhostartedintitlegames.com"

I guess he should have stopped.

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