I classify Rex as a disappointment not a bust and let me explain what I think is the difference.

Busts never do anything to show any promise on the top level.

A disappointment is someone who performs at least to some level and pushes our expectations and in the end he's not who we thought he could be but he was something.

Busts don't win playoff games.

Flipside at least with the Bears - Cedric Benson was a bust.

And here's another thing. If he had the kind of up and down year in 06 on an average team would we have been more patient with the ups and downs and allowed him a chance to develop?

That's a very good question, because I thought Rex Grossman was a disappointment overall. While Rex had some real clunkers statistically such as the 4 interception game on "Monday Night Football" in Glendale, AZ vs. the Cardinals, he also played very well en route to the Bears' only Super Bowl appearance in 2 decades in those 2 NFC Playoff games that I was at vs. Seattle & in the NFC Championship game vs. New Orleans at Soldier Field. The other thing about Grossman was his inability to stay healthy for a long period of time, especially early on where he hurt his knee twice on that awful FieldTurf during a regular season game in Minnesota & on that piece of crap down in St. Louis during preseason.

disappointment of course.

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Disappointment, good post, important distinction

Disabustment...

Bustapointment...

Either way, he was bad.

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Grossman did get the Beloved to the Superbowl. He's not a bust.

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Darkside, I agree. There have been plenty of busts in the Bears' recent draft class.

He had 6 or 7 good games to start the year, but was a passenger on that bus.


He was bad and I'm glad the fucker is gone.

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Rick Mirer in Seattle:
41 tds, 56 ints, 9094 yards passing(165 a game)

Cade McNown in Chicago:
16 tds, 19 ints, 3111 yards passing(124 a game)

Rex Grossman in Chicago:
33 tds, 35 interceptions, 6164 yards passing(171 a game)

Tim Couch in Cleveland:
64 tds, 67 ints, 11131 yards passing(180 a game)

But he got us to the Super Bowl?
So Cedric Benson wasn't a bust either?

Rex Grossman was a bust. End of story.

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Once again you are correct! Cedric has a contract and Rex is waiting for an offer from the Chicago Force.

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I'm out.

He was a dissappointment.

I wonder if Kyle Boller is considered a bust in Baltimore. I would say he was.

45 tds, 44 interceptions, 7846 yards(148 yards a game)

He was drafted 4 spots ahead of Grossman.

I have a challenge to anyone who says that Rex Grossman isn't a bust.

Take a look at the first round QB picks in the past 10-15 years who have similar statistics to Rex Grossman(under 1.0 td/interception ratio, under 200 yards a game avg. yards) who is not considered a bust.

Rex Grossman is not an all-time bust like Ryan Leaf but his statistics put him in the same company as many QB's you would consider an NFL bust.

Looking back at Grossman's draft class, Grossman and Boller were busts, Byron Leftwich was a disappointment, and Carson Palmer was a good pick.

So, I'd like to know what QB drafted in the first round who wasn't considered a bust has similar statistics to Rex Grossman.

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Quarterback drafted in the first round of the draft. Team keeps him for 6 years and the guy plays 36 games...an average of 6 games a year. Plays very well for half of one of those seasons... team says good bye to player.
That's not a bust?

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What, no "He never really got a chance..."?

In 2002/2003 the Bears Quarterbacks were Chandler and Stewart and I think Miller and Burris were released. The shitty plan for that year was to let Chandler or Stewart play and draft a qb for the furture. I think there was a rumor that Green Bay wanted to draft Grossman so that might have put some pressure on them too. I liked the pick at the time mostly because I didn't see a better option. I never really expected anything out of him. His injuries screwed him up IMO. That is why, to me, he is more of a dissappointment and not a bust.

I was disappointed that he was a bust.

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Huh Huh... She said.... BUST!

Rex = Disappointment
Benson = Bust

In the end, does it really even matter? Both resulted in failure.

A better question:
Rex + Benson = Angelo fired?

I don't mean to keep pushing this but I am wondering why I seem like the crazy one who actually thinks that he's a bust.

Can anyone give me one QB drafted in the first round with similar statistics that wasn't considered a bust?

I consider Tim Couch a bust and he was more productive but on average statistically similar to Grossman.
I think that Kyle Boller was a bust and he was just as productive.

Rex Grossman isn't Ryan Leaf or Alex Smith who are both all-time busts but I think he's on that next level down.

All I know is that if the next Bears QB drafted in the first round performs like Rex Grossman I'll find the pick to be a major failure but I must have high standards.

Can someone give me a first round QB who is statistically similar to Rex Grossman who wasn't considered a bust?

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I just don't think you can call a guy a bust when he got to the Superbowl.
Couch was victimized by repeated injury due to a crappy Oline. In 02, he threw for 3000 yards and 18 TD before getting his leg broke.
Remember the 02 season and that big OT game against Tennessee (I think it was Tennessee)?
Couch, and Rex, both victimized by bad O-Line and poor coaching.
I don't think of either as a bust. Disappointing to be sure, but they both played longer than the average NFL lifespan, and they both had some memorable seasons.

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Joey Harrington in Detroit
10242 yards(176 a game), 60 tds, 62 ints

It seems to me as if Rex Grossman isn't considered a bust then I can only come up with 3 QB's in the past 15 years that are "busts".

Ryan Leaf, Rick Mirer and Alex Smith are the only QB's I've come up with that are significantly worse than Grossman in terms of production.

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There are plenty of bad quarterbacks who have played in Super Bowls.


Having a good partial season does not mean you aren't a bust. When I draft a QB in the first round, it is for them to be a quality starter for 5-10 years.

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I'm up to 5.

Heath Shuler and Akili Smith have been added to the list.

However, these are all-time busts. They were absolute disasters.

I think there is another level below them before they hit disappointment and this is where Rex belongs.

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I guess what I'm getting at is that the Browns were an AWFUL team when they drafted him, they couldn't keep defenses off him, and it cost him a broken leg and he never really was the same after. That season he was shaping up NICE, after 3 years to learn how to be an NFL QB (there is a learning curve, and he was thrown into action what on his 2nd game as a rookie?). He had 18 TD's in 14 games, 3k yards... looking good, but a catastrophic injury.
Couch suffered under a bad oline, and under poor GM'ing leading to awful protection.

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That's what I meant by his injuries screwing him up. He never looked comfortable out there. I agree with you Darkside.

I think being vertically challenged is what made him look uncomfertable

The Browns were awful, but this is hardly a unique situation. Most of the time when a team drafts a QB in the first round it is because they aren't any good.

This would give virtually any top ten QB pick in NFL history a free pass to not being a bust.

So I take it that you think there are only 5 NFL QB's in the past fifteen years or so that would be considered busts?

Injuries and playing on bad teams aren't an excuse for me since there is no way to judge how they would have done in some hypothetical alternative scenario but it is very easy to judge how they actually did. The Colts were as bad as bad can be when they drafted Peyton Manning. Should I judge his career differently because I don't know how well he would have done if he injured his knee during his rookie year? I can only go with his production and it's been amazing. I can only go with Grossman and Couch's production then.

Joey Harrington also had a season that was shaping up to be decent but he's still a bust.

I also consider Curtis Enis a bust and he had decent production and had his career actually ended by injury.

Am I safe in assuming that these are the only busts of the past 15 years you believe exist? Ryan Leaf, Alex Smith, Rick Mirer, Heath Shuler, and Akili Smith.

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BR, I'll just focus on Grossman since that's the thread. I've stated why I don't think Grossman is a "Bust". That's all I've got at this time.

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