No, I am saying that he'll at least have a chance to catch the ball, not sure if he will catch it if it gets to him, but at least he'll have a chance. Is 1300 out of sight? Can't say just yet but that guy has been getting open and actually is getting much better at routes. 1300? No, probably not but I'll say 1000 is not unreasonable.

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Before an injury to Bledsoe made Brady the starter, did you think he would be as good as he is?

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I thought Rick was retiring?

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No. When Tom Brady was a 6th round draft pick sitting on the bench I didn't think he was going to be a top 5 all time QB.

I'm not sure why that is relevant. I didn't think Peyton Manning would be an all-time great QB in fourth grade either.

Of course there is a chance that Jay Cutler could become Tom Brady, but there is a chance that Caleb Hanie or Brett Basanez could too so I'm not going to consider the possibility.

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The odds on the former are significantly greater than the odds on the latter.

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BRick can you list some other Bears fans overreactions? Since this is a classic one.
Give us a rundown.

Remember what you told me about stats. . .

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Mike Ditka is one of the great coaches of all time.
Rex Grossman is the best Bears QB since Sid Luckman.
Mike Hass needs to be playing more.
The whole trade with Rick Mirer before it was discovered how bad he was.
Kordell Stewart is the future of the Bears.

Need I go on?

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A stat saying that Jay Cutler is on pace with Tom Brady is misleading. Do you not agree?

Don't beat around the bush. If you think that Jay Cutler is on pace to be as good as Tom Brady then let me know and we'll see who is right in a few years.

My guess is that any unbiased observer would say that Aaron Rodgers was better last year than Jay Cutler. Would the same unbiased observer say that Jay Cutler is on pace to be the next Tom Brady?

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I dont know Rick I just dont think The Bears fanbase overreacts more than any other teams fans.

What I was saying has nothing to do with Brady.

It is about the fact that when it is convenient for you, stats are meaningful, but when they may go against what you are saying, they "can be made to say a lot of things."

So make up your mind, you cannot have it both ways. Either stats are helpful in determining Cutler's success or place in the NFL right now, or they are not.

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Forgot one,

Kyle Orton is just like Ben Roethlisberger

Actually Krenzel was compared to Ben after starting 3 and 0...I remember a funny line about saying Krenzel and Rothlisberger are a combined 15-0 is like saying Hank Aaron and his brother hold the record for siblings with 758 HR's

It had everything to do with Brady. You specifically responded to my claim that Jay Cutler will NEVER be as good as Tom Brady.


Statistics can lie and are only a piece of the puzzle. Even the most basic football knowledge invalidates any statistic that shows Jay Cutler trending towards Tom Brady levels of success. There is a difference between using numbers from last year to compare two players and by using early statistics of an all-time great.


They are. His statistics are good. That still doesn't change the fact that he NEVER will be Tom Brady. It's not going to happen.

Do you honestly feel that any case can be made that Jay Cutler will be as good as Tom Brady?

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Very true.

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boilermaker rick is a rectum. it is a fact. that you cannot deny.

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Very true.

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That's a Bernstein argument. There's certainly a few people that think that but you make the leap and attribute it to the majority of Bears Fans when that's just not the case.

Well said

Rick I know you guys are going back and forth on who said what about Brady and Cutler...but who cares if he's never as good as Tom Brady.

Thats like saying D. Rose will never be Jordan...he doesnt have to be Jordan/Brady...he just has to be real good.

Besides Mike Hass, I believe a majority of Bears fans believed that at one time or another.

I know for a fact that this board was flat out giddy about the future of Rex Grossman after he was dominant for those 6 games.

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I don't but it was a simple comment lumped in with a larger point and RFDC chose to take it and challenge that assertion with a statistical comparison of the first three years of each player. When I said that statistics can lie he didn't like it.

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Don't piss off Kid Cairo with those thoughts...

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Rick, my last statement had nothing to do with Brady. We addressed that last night. It was in regard to you using stats when convenient. I am not sure why you keep going back to Brady, but whatever.

You claim Bears fans overreact, but it seems to me the only one overreacting here is you.

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Plus it's just sports. Why not get excited about something when you can? Why should being enthusiastic about your team be some kind of fault? It's not like our expectations are going to effect how he plays. He hasn't played yet. Might as well enjoy it. If you're not enjoying this as a Bears fan, why are you even bother following sports?

I said that statistics can lie. Do you disagree with this or not? Can someone either trust all statistics or not trust any of them? So, do you feel that all statistics are irrelevant or do you believe all statistics.

If you believe all statistics, then I would love to have a side conversation on how a decrease in the number of pirates worldwide has lead to rising global temperatures.


About what? I think the Bears gave up too much to get a very good QB. I believe it is more likely that the Bears as a team don't improve over the next 3 years even with improved QB play.

I didn't know that not being incredibly enthusiastic about a trade and seeing some reasons why it may not work out is overreacting.

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I like watching my team win on the field. I'll celebrate when Jay Cutler throws his first touchdown with the rest of Bears fans.

I don't follow sports for off-season trades. I follow it for in-season games.

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So if Purdue landed the next LeBronish high school player...you wouldnt get excited til he scored his first bucket?

It may not seem like it but I'm very excited about having Jay Cutler. I'm just not over the top in love with him like some others seem to be. I think we overpaid and I think it's likely that we'll be the same average team for the next 3 years(length of his contract) as we were before we made the trade. I'm excited about Jay Cutler. I'm not excited about Rashied Davis being his target. It's going to be hard to upgrade that much without first round draft picks.

I think we overpaid for a player who is currently a top ten qb. Take a look at Matt Cassell and what the Chiefs paid for him. I'm not saying that Cassell is as good as Cutler but the Chiefs got a person who had a stronger touchdown/int ratio than Cutler for a second round pick. The Bears got a QB with a high amount of interceptions but a strong arm and high yardage thrown for a much higher price.

None of that will matter on the first day of the season but right now my enthusiasm is tempered about it.

I'd be very excited if Purdue landed the next Lebron James but I don't think Jay Cutler is at that type of dominance.

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