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In honor of the series resuscitation that has apparently taken place with the current film, what with the 95% favorable critics response, I give you some classic James Tiberius Kirk....

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Saw it this afternoon and it was definitely good. Seems like every review requires you to declare your Trek fan level. Have watched most to all of ToS and TNG and all the movies. Watched a decent amount of Enterprise and hardly any Voyager or DS9.


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never seen a star trek movie...never seen an episode of any of the series...

that being said, the trailers look good...i'm tempted to go this weekend...


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I am a full-on Star Trek nerd. Watched all of TOS and TNG, checked out of DS9 about mid-way through the first year, quit Voyager after 3 years or so, and just recently watched the entire ST:Enterprise series on HD Net.

I am definitely going to try to hit the theatre this weekend to catch it - which is no small feat since I think the last movie I saw in a theatre starred Errol Flynn or, perhaps, Lionel Barrymore.

I had very low expectations a few months back but the recent reviews from everywhere are so damn good, I can't keep my expectations in check anymore. I'm fully expecting it to be the best installment of Star Trek, in any format, of all time.

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Depending on the type of your Star Trek nerdiness, you might want to check out the prequel comic, Countdown 1-4. That's if you're the type who will find the enjoyment of the movie lessened by things that seem to be continuity issues. The comic should quell a lot of these questions. If you have no problems seeing something that doesn't make sense and simply putting it in your memory somewhere to worry about much later, after you've enjoyed the movie, it isn't as necessary to read them.


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Depending on the type of your Star Trek nerdiness, you might want to check out the prequel comic, Countdown 1-4. That's if you're the type who will find the enjoyment of the movie lessened by things that seem to be continuity issues. The comic should quell a lot of these questions. If you have no problems seeing something that doesn't make sense and simply putting it in your memory somewhere to worry about much later, after you've enjoyed the movie, it isn't as necessary to read them.




I have that and it is making me less enthused to see the movie. I am going Sunday morning after Church and breakfast . I am a huge Trek nerd and can recite from memory a lot of nerdy shit , I just hope that they do not mess it up that much. How sad is it I am more eager to see Harry Potter and GI Joe than this.

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Well Harry Potter at least has a track record of good movies. I was fairly enthused for GI Joe, but the trailer they ran before Star Trek was kinda weak.

As for the the Trek movie itself, I guarantee you it's a good movie. The question I can't answer is if serious Trekkies will think it's a good Star Trek movie.

Speaking of GI Joe though, the animated series/movie cut into enough parts for a series on Cartoon Network was awesome. I'm not usually a fan of Japanese anime style toons, least of all for GI Joe of all things, but it was excellent


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First off,not a fan of the TV series. I have enjoyed most of the movies though.
Saw the rebirth this afternoon and was disappointed. The new actors are great but a poorly written plot with not much outer space action lead to a dull movie. The one thing that annoys me with Star Trek is the homage paid to each charactar when they arrive on screen.A false sense of nobility for a lot of the scenes with Kirk & Spock. After 40 years,I think it has sunk in that Kirk & Spock are buddies. McCoy is cantankerous,Scotty can't find the auxillary power until the last second,etc. Get on with the story and special effects,already! I liked some aspects of the movie. The girl playing Uhura was hot & Bruce Davidson was excellent as Captain Pike. Hopefully,we will have a better Star Trek next time around.

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just went and seen this. I have very mixed feelings on it as I am a long time trek fan.

To start with the good points , Looked awesome, great casting( Love Simon Pegg as Scotty and Cho as Sulu). the story on how they are in a divergent time stream is passable. Also great villain by Bana.

The bad: 3 big ones for me, the was Uhura,Spock and Kirk are portrayed. Kirk is not that far off from the original but the other two are way out there in smoking crack land for me to try to explain. The relationships is total wack. I understand that this is a different time stream that what has come before, ie reboot, but that is fucking wacked. Mr Roddenberry is spinning in his grave on this one folks, they have gone way far off the reservation on stuff. It was bad enough what was done in "First Contact" but this is just plain wrong. The score was mildly passable except for the car song, Loved it.
I know it is a new time so we need to get the women more meaty roles than just playthings for Kirk but sorry they dynamic went from McCoy-Kirk-Spock to being centered on Kirk-Spock-Uhura. The other character change that was off from the original was Sulu, he was not a timid mellow guy like we are shown here out of the others he was the only one to become captain.

I give it a 3 out of 5

Almost forgot , that was not Spock up there on the screen . I do not know what the fuck JJ Abrams was thinking and that Nemoy would sign off on it but wow that is so far from everything we have been told about him from the first episode up to this.

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My review:

My original thoughts...on the trailers, and promotions: absolute garbage. I thought JJ Abrams was just wasting our time again.

I was wrong.

This movie was part Star Trek and part Star Wars. It has a gangs-all-here feeling, and a cowboy-popcorn taste that just froths from the screen. Is that a criticism?

You'd think from a Star Trek fan that it was. But it isn't. Chris Pine is dead on with his portrayal of James Kirk. Not just the eyes, or the look. It's the mannerisms. Zachary Quinto, sometimes it's like they went back in time to grab Leonard Nimoy...it's seemless.

As for the story, yeah...it's predictable. it's "Top Gun", it's "90210"...but it works.

What concerned me was capturing the chemistry of the original characters, and to the credit of the casting director, they pulled it off. This movie was an absolute ride.

It's not going to please every fanboy. I don't want it to. Nothing will do that. Think about this as the credit to those who stuck with the original series. Why did they do that? The stories? Are you kidding me? You want to go through the plots of those episodes? It was the characters. It was Kirk. It was Spock.

Well guess what. This movie got it right.

I can fault it for going a bit over the top with the McCoy performance and the Old Spock indulgence...but as far as a film going experience goes?

This is summer film popcorn fest at its best. Take it for what its worth. And push it farther, Scotty.

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must have been smoking dope before you seen it sir. It was not faithful to the characters as has been shown to us in countless media for over 40 years. I call horse hockey.
Now if I went in not knowing Star Trek I would say as you do but being an unabashed lover of Trek( Except Voyager) Wrong Spock does not act like that nor does the troika work like it does in this movie.

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nope, don't agree. this movie was not meant to supplant fanboy optimism nor was it meant to be a part of the original lore.

this was meant to break away. and in its rights, it did. spock's logic worked, and so did kirk's.


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nope, don't agree. this movie was not meant to supplant fanboy optimism nor was it meant to be a part of the original lore.

this was meant to break away. and in its rights, it did. spock's logic worked, and so did kirk's.



true but they only diverged from point of contact with Nero not how they grew up to that point. Kirk was most affected. Spock hell no the scene with him an Uhuru in the turboshaft was total BS. How Kirk made him react was not a Spock like action that would ever be done by the Vulcan diplomat.


I will add something else that as a Trekker upset me, Kirk was not an only Child.


As I said If I Did Not Know AnyThing About Trek I would Have Liked It more. as a follower of the brand for over 30 years I thought it did some disservice and was not that great a Trek Movie. I am thinking this might be a Lone Ranger type movie. Hell good ole JJ used the time travel thing in Lost this season as well, did he not only use it in Alias?

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I went in wanting to like it but sorry too much change is a bad thing. See the Bond reboot worked because they went with the first story told it ture, Same with Batman. They did not mess with too much of the established stuff known about the material. Abrams is a hack who just wanted to make it his own and changed too much IMO sorry but like I said Most of it was okay but the stuff that was changed/off was way too out there for me. Sorry

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i don't agree, but if you wanna believe in that you're more than welcome to.

i think this was one of the few abrams "victories". it's a summer film. it felt good.


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I'm fully on Zack's side.

I grew up watching Star Trek reruns on Saturday evenings (right after the muppet show) and used to like it. But as a TV show with an immensely smaller budget than its movie bretheren, it paled in comparison to seeing the Empire Strikes Back in the theaters. I suppose if I were born in 1963 instead of 1973, then things would have been different, but I wasn't... so Trek has always been the tired old brother to Star Wars. It could never capture the imagination of the Star Wars world or the suspense of the Alien world. But let's be honest... it just wasn't a fair fight to begin with.

I watched a bit of The Next Generation and fully appreciated the cerebral nature of the series. However, the "badass" factor just was never there. Deep Space Nine and Voyageur and the Enterprise remake... never watched an episode... too much tail to chase in college and afterward (never really got any.... probably should've just stayed home and watched it!)

So along comes JJ Abrams with a rethought world. Don't waste my time. If you can't follow through with Lost, then what makes me think you'll offer a compelling next chapter of this sci-fi franchise? I saw the trailer and I had a tiny vomit in my mouth... 1/3rd dorky sci-fi, 1/3rd Dawson's creek heart throbs, and 1/3rd overrated special effects.

I was glad to be proved wrong.

The minute they played Beastie Boys "Sabotage" when JT Kirk stole the corvette, my eyes widened and I said ok, I'll give it a chance. I love the fact that he kept some of the character qualities/mannerisms of the original cast... and completely wiped the slate clean for a new franchise. All the old canon is gone. Vulcan is gone... and Spock has lost his mother... Kirk has lost his father. Both are fundamentally different and it offers a variety of avenues to choose.

The story in the movie isn't all that great, but the movie is a great set up for a franchise... and that is exactly what the movie studios want. And frankly, the fanboys won't admit it, but that's what they want too. My two faults with the movie was that they kept that ugly-ass looking Enterprise and they didn't develop the Eric Bana character (even used a tired old Kahn reference with the little brain bug). But that being said, it was a good movie. Very enjoyable and I will definitely see the next installment. Although I warn that JJ isn't known to finish with what he started... he's an idea man... and he can't wind things up properly. And as we all know, fans want a good ending.

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best line in the movie:
Spockl to Kirk " Get out of the Chair."

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guys I ma not trying to argue its just my viewpoint being a fan of over thirty years okay.
If I was not a Trek nerd I would have liked it even more I gave it 3 of 5 . He just redid too much to the point it was not Trek for me any more okay.

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maybe I missed it... but where does a Romulan mining ship get all those missiles?


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maybe I missed it... but where does a Romulan mining ship get all those missiles?



Read the Comic lol

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maybe I missed it... but where does a Romulan mining ship get all those missiles?
Since I'm sure you won't read the comic, basically it's retrofitted with Borg technology. There's a lot of story missing from the movie both from the comic and scenes that they confirmed were shot and left out. That being said, that's something I really liked about the film. More and more movies are stuffing everything they can into the film and they end up as bloated 2.5+ hour messes. While The Dark Knight was certainly a excellent movie I felt it just went on too long. Star Trek was 126 minutes and it never felt like it dragged for one second. I wish more movies would error on the side of leaving you wanting more.


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My_name_1s_MUD wrote:
maybe I missed it... but where does a Romulan mining ship get all those missiles?
Since I'm sure you won't read the comic, basically it's retrofitted with Borg technology. There's a lot of story missing from the movie both from the comic and scenes that they confirmed were shot and left out. That being said, that's something I really liked about the film. More and more movies are stuffing everything they can into the film and they end up as bloated 2.5+ hour messes. While The Dark Knight was certainly a excellent movie I felt it just went on too long. Star Trek was 126 minutes and it never felt like it dragged for one second. I wish more movies would error on the side of leaving you wanting more.


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My_name_1s_MUD wrote:

The minute they played Beastie Boys "Sabotage" when JT Kirk stole the corvette, my eyes widened and I said ok, I'll give it a chance. I love the fact that he kept some of the character qualities/mannerisms of the original cast... and completely wiped the slate clean for a new franchise. All the old canon is gone. Vulcan is gone... and Spock has lost his mother... Kirk has lost his father. Both are fundamentally different and it offers a variety of avenues to choose.

The story in the movie isn't all that great, but the movie is a great set up for a franchise... and that is exactly what the movie studios want. And frankly, the fanboys won't admit it, but that's what they want too. My two faults with the movie was that they kept that ugly-ass looking Enterprise and they didn't develop the Eric Bana character (even used a tired old Kahn reference with the little brain bug). But that being said, it was a good movie. Very enjoyable and I will definitely see the next installment. Although I warn that JJ isn't known to finish with what he started... he's an idea man... and he can't wind things up properly. And as we all know, fans want a good ending.

two thumbs up.


MUD, *great* thoughts. i was right with you about the skepticism especially with my recent letting go of Sparky Abrams--and I was absolutely proven wrong with this.

BUT I am with you that I'm still wondering how this will all play out. All in all, I will own this movie when it comes out, and most likely will dress up as either Spock, Kirk, or the ensign who was killed easily (and wearing red of course!) for Halloween this year.


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per Paramount rules you are too old to dress up as any of them. It is a new Generations Star Trek. Move along.

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My_name_1s_MUD wrote:

The minute they played Beastie Boys "Sabotage" when JT Kirk stole the corvette, my eyes widened and I said ok, I'll give it a chance. I love the fact that he kept some of the character qualities/mannerisms of the original cast... and completely wiped the slate clean for a new franchise. All the old canon is gone. Vulcan is gone... and Spock has lost his mother... Kirk has lost his father. Both are fundamentally different and it offers a variety of avenues to choose.

The story in the movie isn't all that great, but the movie is a great set up for a franchise... and that is exactly what the movie studios want. And frankly, the fanboys won't admit it, but that's what they want too. My two faults with the movie was that they kept that ugly-ass looking Enterprise and they didn't develop the Eric Bana character (even used a tired old Kahn reference with the little brain bug). But that being said, it was a good movie. Very enjoyable and I will definitely see the next installment. Although I warn that JJ isn't known to finish with what he started... he's an idea man... and he can't wind things up properly. And as we all know, fans want a good ending.

two thumbs up.


MUD, *great* thoughts. i was right with you about the skepticism especially with my recent letting go of Sparky Abrams--and I was absolutely proven wrong with this.

BUT I am with you that I'm still wondering how this will all play out. All in all, I will own this movie when it comes out, and most likely will dress up as either Spock, Kirk, or the ensign who was killed easily (and wearing red of course!) for Halloween this year.



Sci-fi TV shows that become movies are a tough sell, methinks. Tough these days to compete with big screen sci-fi due to the budgets... the only one to do it fairly successfully was Battlestar Galactica (sniff sniff :( ). Still, Star Trek as a concept is pretty cool. It was always more intellectual than action. It also served a greater purpose in the 1960's to deal with some of the racial tensions in the country. J.J. certainly abandoned this (unless you count mackin' with a green chick), but I think it was kinda necessary to push the series in a new direction.

As an aside, the whole idea of a "united nations" of planets is a pretty cool concept. Oddly enough, I kinda enjoyed the same concept in a video game called Mass Effect.


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Finally got around to watching this last night in full IMAX glory. I went in without knowing much about the plot other than it was a time-travel thing and alternate timeline. I was just hoping we weren't dealing with Silik and the Temporal Cold War again!! :lol: :lol: STAR TREK HUMOR!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Aaaannnnyywaaayyy... :lol: ..I was fully prepared to love this movie from the reviews I had read. But, when it was done, I just wasn't quite there. Star Trek humor aside, I'm not really that big into continuity. I'm not going to freak out if Kirk had a brother or any of that stuff. Still, I had a hard time dealing with the new timeline. I kept thinking to myself, "they can't do that" or "how are they going to fix that" (especially with the big plot development). I guess I kept thinking the idea was to get things back to the timeline we all knew.

Once I got past that I was able to enjoy it a little more and not think too much but that took about half the movie.

For sure, the best part were the characters. I wouldn't have thought they would get anybody to play James Tiberius Kirk but I thought that guy was great. My favorite line I think was at the end when he walks on the bridge and pauses for a minute and then just yells, "BONES...". I thought that was Shatner. The other characters I enjoyed also - didn't really have a problem with any except McCoy's accent but that doesn't ruin anything for me.

Overall, I think I'd enjoy it more on a second viewing but it was still a good movie and one of the better Star Treks for sure. I'd definitely be interested in more movies with this group.

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Star Trek review courtesy of the Onion :lol:

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Star Trek review courtesy of the Onion :lol:

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/t ... =b-section


:lol: Awesome.

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