The Sox roster is full right now with a lot of youngsters and bargain basement vets.
Can any Sox fan see what is right in front of them? The order came down from "The Chairman" for Hawk to talk up the rookies because Jerry isn't playing in the Free Agent market anymore. Kenny has found some gems,but now his luck is running out. The current crop might turn in to something 2-3 years from now,BUT 2009 is in the tank!!
The Sox might lose 90 or more games this year. Jerry got his WS ring,so he is happy.
He has settled. Anything else is gravy.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Okay let me just say this makes no sense. Yes they did kinda slack off in center field but almost every other position they had someone that should have been more than good enough to win the division. Carlos Quentin had an MVP like year last year and JD was very good in right almost all of last year. 1st is locked down until Paulie is gone, but he has shown that he can be constantly good or constantly bad too. SS they had Alexi would almost won the ROY last year and has taken a big turn south(see Soto,Geovany) and Josh Fields was primed to take over at third base but has come out the gate stuggling. AJ is putting up more than decent numbers for a catcher too. They had a solid 3 starting pitchers last year, and im sure alot of the teams in the league would love to have that. Problem is the two young guys arent doing what they did last year.

Why go out and spend a shit load of money on other players when you had a team that could compete and actually won the central last year? Makes no sense to me.

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I think they have to be on the cheap right now because they are going to have to pay for some players in the upcoming years. If you look at Carlos, he's only making 550,000, and I don't think Alexi is making a lot either. I think they have to be on the cheap right now because they are going to have to pay for these players, along with Danks in the next two years. So I think in a few years, their payroll will be a lot higher.

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Sure,I guess the Central flag is what all Sox fans hope for.
Take a look at the roster,very few bonafide MLB!!
Paulie,AJ,Dye,Buerle and a few others,maybe.
Keep rolling the dice with Jose Contreres & company.
Lot of borderline vets & young guys that have not
strung 2 to 3 seasons together to form an opinion on them.
Remember that Caruso kid at SS??? rookie year was decent
for him,too.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

The Sox are a team in transition, but they are hoping to remain a AL Central contender while becoming a younger team.

dye, thome, contreras come off after this year, which is about $50 mil
konerko after next, that's another $12 mil

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Thome: $13m
Dye: $11.5m
Contreras: $10m
Dotel: $6m

Total: $40.5

By the way,I'm a Cub Fan!!!
Last time I liked the Sox is when Chuck Tanner managed them.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Cubs fan here. I 100% respect the Sox for setting a budget based on expected revenues and then building a team that fits the budget. That is NOT cheap to me, but rather, prudent financial management. It sucks if you are a fan to hear it, but that is the way to not end up like the Tribune company.

Frankly, I have grown tired of the Cubs spendaholic ways. We end up with fukadome's, and when they have a bad season, then we get Bradley. Even with their bloated payroll, I hear non stop screams for Peavy. I am sad that the Cubs have become the NL version of the Yankees- under performing and hurt.

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The economy is in the shitter and will most likely be there for next season as well. I cannot fault a guy for not bankrupting the team.

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I still don't know how Duane Shaffer kept his job as long as he did.
They discovered some gems in Carlos Lee and Magglio Ordonez, but the #1 draft selections for years were a disaster.....Jason Stumm, Kris Honel, Royce Ring and of course, the next Mickey Mantle, Joe Borchard...there are about 12 years worth the #1 draft selections after Larry Himes left the Sox that were pretty much wasted selections.
The Farm system is a joke...why else would they come out of Spring Training with Colon and Contreras in the rotation?
Kenny has made some great trades.....but there doesn't seem to be anyone left to trade for anyone of potential value.
This idea that Sox fans would not accept a rebuilding process is urban myth.....it would be accepted if the young players have talent.

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The AA team is loaded.

This




The Poofer- The Sox draft almost as good asc anybody, they just trade them for proven players.

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Beckham and the pitcher from the University of San Francisco, Poreda, are in AA, right?
Hope they have a few more prospects than suspects for a change.
Is 2006 first round selection Kyle McCulloch anywhere in the system?
He seems about ready to be annointed yet another 1st Round draft pick disaster.

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White Sox 1st Round draft Debacles:
1992 Eddie Pearson
1993 Scott Christman
1994 Mark Johnson
1995 Jeff Liefer
1996 Bobby Seay unsigned
1997 Jason Dellaero
1998 KIP WELLS
1999 Jason Stumm and Matt Ginter
2000 Joe Borchard
2001 Kris Honel
2002 Royce Ring

Brian Anderson and Josh Fields are White Sox 1st round picks currently on the big club trying to establish themselves.

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Aggravated, of all those 1st Round picks, other than B.A. & Josh, only Kip Wells is still on a Major League roster, with the just as bad Washington Nationals, I believe now as a reliever. I think he's the ONLY former White Sox #1 pick still in the bigs.

Drafting in baseball is not easy. You can make a list like that for a lot of teams. Especially ones that have routinely drafted as late as the Sox have over the last decade +.

You do have a valid point, Keyser...Unlike in the NFL & NBA, draft picks in Major League Baseball are an inexact science. Just because you draft a #1 pick in MLB doesn't necessarily mean he'll ever see the likes of U.S. Cellular Field, Wrigley Field, Yankee Stadium, Fenway Park & Dodger Stadium unless he buys a ticket just like you & I do as fans.

Yeah, because minor league stats always translate to major league success, especially after less then one year of service. It happens every time.
I am not saying Beckam will be a bust, but I am also not ready to anoint him a MLB success either.

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I think Beckham will be fine, but I agree that you can't believe the hype...especially Spring Training media generated hype.
I also agree that the baseball draft is a different animal than the N.F.L. and N.B.A., but there were a lot of quality M.L.B. stars taken AFTER the White Sox pissed many #1 selections down their leg and Scouting Director Duane Shaffer was fired by Kenny after years of ineptitude and a farm system that seemingly NEVER can produce a #5 starting pitcher, among other gaping holes.

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Maybe the White Sox should start drafting baseball players rather than Quarterbacks like Joe Borchard and Josh Fields?

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I would give Kenny a break on injuries, but none of these guys are gone due to injuries, they just stink

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honel and stumm blew out their arms.

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They both had arm problems when these geniuses drafted them.

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Honel had arm problems while pitching at Providence?? I have a cousin that faced him and would beg to differ....

There's more to it than that.

Borchard was traded straight up for Matt Thornton.
Liefer was part of the Bartolo Colon trade
Royce Ring was part of the Robbie Alomar trade with the Mets
Ginter was traded for Timo Perez
Mark Johnson was a backup catcher for the Sox for a bit, and was part of the trade that brought over Billy Koch and Neal Cotts

So yeah, a lot of those prospects didn't pan out, but Cotts was great in 2005, Thornton is still great, Colon's first go round with the Sox was pretty good (the team itself just sucked)

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Your point is well made.
Kenny has done a magnificent job unloading the prospect suspects for talent.
My point is they might want to start drafting players that can make an impact FOR THE SOX.

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But its not like the NFL. In football, you draft by need. In baseball, you take the best player left. If you're stacked with OFs and every time your on the clock, the best player left is an OF, you take him. And you either convert him to a different position or trade him.

Case in point: Konerko came up as a 3rd sacker, Marmol was a catcher, Miggy Cabrera was LF, etc.

Impact young guys are nice, but if you can land solid MLB talent for them (i.e, Jeremy Reed for Freddy Garcia), you do that.

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Agreed.
Part of the purpose of a good system is to trade for immediate help.

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